Israel's new Assault Rifle

[eleison]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Yay, more weapons for killing. Nice choice of words there too. Will this new weapon bring Israel anymore peace? Maybe they should try to put some money into trying to bring less violence and not more.

You kill more Palestinians and you will create more hatred. History has shown this for many years. How is Israel any better when they use missiles for revenge and kill innocents in the process?

Look at the casualties between the Israelis and the Palestinians. It is lopsided - yes, this is not a good way to measure anything, but still.

Casualties between Hamas and Fatha? All we need is love 🙂

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: raildogg
One side has to be better than the other side and prove that they can show restraint even when the other side is attacking. One side simply needs to back down; this can mean not taking revenge every time the other side attacks. Otherwise, it would remain a cycle when there won't be peace - like it has been for many years.

So essentially you want Israel to sit back and let the terrorists have at it. Any country that does that fails in it's duty to protect it's citizens. It's a very naive outlook IMO, and is completely not applicable to the real world.

When you shoot missiles or other weapons into heavily populated areas, you are taking a big risk. Israel does so anyway and has been doing so for a long time.

Of course they are. They target the terrorists hiding among civillians, and civillians die. It's tragic, but it's war. I can't see how you miss the fundamental difference that Israel is not going after the civillians, but Hamas and their ilk routinely shoot rockets and bombs into civillian areas targeting the civillians. Don't blame Israel for striking back, blame the terrorists for bringing a mighty military into the backyards of their fellow Palestinians.

It just shows you that many innocents have died, thats all.

True.

 

[zoiks]

One mans terrorist is another mans hero.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
So essentially you want Israel to sit back and let the terrorists have at it. Any country that does that fails in it's duty to protect it's citizens. It's a very naive outlook IMO, and is completely not applicable to the real world.

No, but this approach has not worked very well, has it? Going after Palestinians like this and killing many innocents is creating more problems for Israel, not less. This is not one sided and we should realize that but the Palestinians are among the most desperate people in the world. There is a reason why they do what they do but it doesn't make it right. Protect your civilians, but I just feel like the approach Israel has been taking has not worked.

Of course they are. They target the terrorists hiding among civillians, and civillians die. It's tragic, but it's war. I can't see how you miss the fundamental difference that Israel is not going after the civillians, but Hamas and their ilk routinely shoot rockets and bombs into civillian areas targeting the civillians. Don't blame Israel for striking back, blame the terrorists for bringing a mighty military into the backyards of their fellow Palestinians.

The Palestinians also see that Israel is pounding their neighborhoods with missiles. The little kids see this and their parents reinforce the already growing hatred in these little kids. It is just creating more hatred and more future enemies of Israel.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I don't like Israeli guns

I like Israeli tanks.

In fact Israel's tank army is so good it would whoop the U.S tank army.

Not even maybe. Not even if the U.S. forces were all having a bad day with a hangover, and every third round was a dud.

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Don't call me a ****** bum.

Yes, I'm Palestinian.

Why do you assume he is?
I assumed he was calling the terrorists bums.

They're all terrorists. Thankfully this awesome new weapon will help us kill them off, so that we may reclaim Greater Israel.

I'm hoping that was a well-placed joke...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: ThePresence
So essentially you want Israel to sit back and let the terrorists have at it. Any country that does that fails in it's duty to protect it's citizens. It's a very naive outlook IMO, and is completely not applicable to the real world.

No, but this approach has not worked very well, has it? Going after Palestinians like this and killing many innocents is creating more problems for Israel, not less. This is not one sided and we should realize that but the Palestinians are among the most desperate people in the world. There is a reason why they do what they do but it doesn't make it right. Protect your civilians, but I just feel like the approach Israel has been taking has not worked.

Of course they are. They target the terrorists hiding among civillians, and civillians die. It's tragic, but it's war. I can't see how you miss the fundamental difference that Israel is not going after the civillians, but Hamas and their ilk routinely shoot rockets and bombs into civillian areas targeting the civillians. Don't blame Israel for striking back, blame the terrorists for bringing a mighty military into the backyards of their fellow Palestinians.

The Palestinians also see that Israel is pounding their neighborhoods with missiles. The little kids see this and their parents reinforce the already growing hatred in these little kids. It is just creating more hatred and more future enemies of Israel.

There is truth in what you say. But what other options are there?
It's great to wish for a world where if Israel didn't respond the attacks would stop, but that's not reality.
As a matter of fact, Israel held off for a few weeks while terrorists launched Qassam rockets into Sderot daily. Few noticed their restraint (aside from the civillians living in Sderot who were furious at the government for not doing anything to protect them).
We all wish for peace. How is it accomplished? I don't know. But sitting back and allowing emboldened terrorists to run wild over your cities is certainly not a real-world option.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Don't call me a ****** bum.

Yes, I'm Palestinian.

Why do you assume he is?
I assumed he was calling the terrorists bums.

They're all terrorists. Thankfully this awesome new weapon will help us kill them off, so that we may reclaim Greater Israel.

Flamebait, gonna ignore the flamebait...

 

[jpeyton]

This didn't help them much in Lebanon.