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b0mbrman

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<< I wonder if Bush will permit Sharon to reneg on his guarantee on the personal safety of Aarafat . >>


I'm probably think different from a lot of people when it comes to Arafat. From my understanding, he hates Israel as much as the next Palestinian but hasn't got enough power to stop the militants.

And I think it's stupid that the world is getting pissed off that Israel is trying to fix a problem that Arafat can't...
 

SyahM

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bombing everywhere around the world .. bad, very bad ... I'm horrified. Please stop all the killings.. pretty please.
 

gplanet

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I don't know much about the situation other than some of the news we receive in the U.S. which I will assume to be biased on the side of the Israelis.

But these Arabs sound ridiculous. They think this is the 15th century or something. Holy Lands? Martyr? Jihad? LOL, get educated and stop living your life through some old fashioned religion and then you'll realize how stupid you've acted.

I also think Israel should just wipe out Palestinian lands. I mean, if we had a similar situation in the United States they wouldn't last a week
 

ndee

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<< It's about time they do something, they just need to wipe the whole palestinian population out of existance. Nothing but a bunch of wackos. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :)

KK
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100% pure dumbness.
 

gplanet

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ndee,

Too bad if only a small percentage of the Palestinians are the ones causing the violence. They ruined it for the rest of their people. So what Israel has to do will involve the death of innocent people -- that's just too bad, that's life. Don't say it's inhumane, this is how the nature of humans has been for tens of thousands of years. Humanity will move on and they will not be missed in the near future.
 

ndee

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actually, I don't back up any of the parties. According the israelis, the palestinian came into their country and vice-versa. The israelis did stupid stuff, so did the palestinians. I just can't agree, that it's only the palestinians fault.
 

Nemesis77

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<< joy, palestinian woman blew up a strip mall on easter weekend.

bastards must be stomped.
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According to the article Manly posted, jews used identical tactics earlier. Should they too be "stomped"?
 

bambam

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Arafat now says he's ready to be a marytr like the suicide bomber who blew himself up in the dining room the other night .

I sure hope taht the US military is ready for Iraq ( and who know where else in Middle East and/or Persian Gulf) , it looks like major conflict sooner than later to me.
 

jjones

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Lord Segan - Very worthwhile post if only to explain in brief to some the roots of this conflict. You did gloss over British involvement in this mess, who were playing both sides of the coin at the time of their occupation and ultimately left the zionists high and dry because of British duplicity. Of course they adequately screwed the Arabs over also but more so on the side of the zionists.

The settlements were a big political mistake with the Israelis. After '67 they had adopted a "land for peace" policy in negotiating with the Arab world; giving back land they took in the war in exchange for peace agreements. At the time, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were just viewed by the world as Palestinian refugee areas, as these areas were previously controlled by Jordan and Egypt respectively and the Arab world would not condone the existance of a Palestinian state under the boundaries set by the UN; it was all or nothing for them as they vowed to the world to drive the Jews from their lands.

The settlements inextricably muddled this process in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Unfortunately for the Israelis, the settlements are a problem that they cannot just walk away from. I stated in another post about this that it would have been best to just have taken over the land and absorbed it, after a fashion, into Israel. I don't know what the Israeli political strength was at the time and if they could have pulled this off without serious repercussions from non-Arab countries. I think the settlements may have been a way of ultimately justifying absorbing this territory into Israel since lasting peace did not look likely. However, they still continued to recognize the Palestinians and you can see the uncertainty of Israeli political thinking by looking at the way they have vacillated over the settlements.

Settlements are one of the three big issues surrounding the Palestinian - Israeli conflict; the others being "Right to Return" (total bs and hypocritical on the part of the Palestinians) and the ultimate fate of Jerusalem. As hard as it may be, the Israelis might come to an agreement, not necessarily peacefully, that gives the Palestinians enough rope to hang themselves with. There would probably be a terrible cost in Israeli lives however, yet maybe fewer than what the protracted war of terrorism is costing them.

Or go in and forcefully finish it now and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks. As such a mess that it is, I'm very inclined to this latter option; something they should perhaps have done long ago. Push the Palestinians out of the land given them by the UN mandate, set up their borders, and then negotiate a lasting peace from the strength of their position. At the same time, they should work on moving the settlements out of these territories as I see no way in the foreseeable future that they can co-exist on the same land when that land is Arab-controlled.
 

Amused

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<< ,,The entire thing started, and continues because the Arabs cannot tollerate an Israeli state in the Middle East, period. No if ands or buts, no comprimise, nothing. There will be no peace from the Arabs as long as Israel exists in their "holy lands".>>

The entire thing started and continues today because the Jews can't tollerate a Palestinian state and want all their land period. No if ands or buts, no compromise, nothing. There will be no pease from Israel as long as Palestinians esist in their "holy lands".


Oh Mama that felt good. I always wondered what it would feel like to be able to speak for and characterize an entire people on the other side of the world with such self assured deft precision.
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Again, a complete and total lack of any historical knowledge...

The Jews agreed to, and embraced a Palestinian state when Israel was formed. What did it get them? The day it became official, that state in conjuction with all surrounding Arab nations viciously attacked them without any other reason than their belief that there should never be a state of Israel in the Middle East. And not a damn thing has changed between then and now, except the fact that Israel has repeatedly handed them their collective asses, and they refuse to learn.

I'm glad you find ignorance feels so good you had to tell your momma. I know you already seem to enjoy wallowing in your own verbose bullsh1t, so I guess this fits right in.
 

Nitemare

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Summary:
Israel tried for peace for two weeks
Palestine sent wave after wave of suicide bombers
Palestine set off a bomb in a group celebrating Passover killing 20 and injuring over one hundred innocent jewish worshippers.
Sharon has had enough, goes to a 24 hour emergency meeting.
War is declared by Israel
Tanks and bulldozers start rolling to Palestine
Palestinians report this to Arafat
Arafat says "Let's have an unconditional ceasefire"

Arafat is nothing but a lying bastard or an incompetent leader



<< A source at the Israeli Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem said
Thursday that Israel had not responded to Wednesday's terror
attack because the government continued to support U.S.
Mideast envoy Anthony Zinni's efforts to reach a cease-fire. He
is still in the region, and U.S. officials said Zinni will remain
there to try to negotiate a cease-fire.

"Israel will do the most it can," said the source, adding that
Israel has followed a policy of retaliatory restraint for the last 10
days. During that period, the source said, Israeli authorities have
intercepted 11 would-be suicide bombers.
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Israel was attacked 12 times during this "cease-fire" while hoping for peace, but when the heathens set off a bomb during a religious function..that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Good riddance to Arafat and all the Hamas and anyone who get in their way.

I don't think Israel is 100% innocent in this conflict, but their is no denying that the Palestinians are wrong. The US under European and Middle-East outcry sends a representative over to get both Israel and Palestine to have peace...In that time period, Israel has laid down their arms and their guards and in that time period, Palestine has sent 13 suicide bombers to Israel...

WTF were they expecting? How can you negotiate peace between two peoples when the other keeps putting down his arms while the other one shoots at him?

Guess this settles it, the Palestinians aren't rationale, have explosives, and are Anti-semitic.

To me their is no difference between Arafat and Hitler except for their accomplishments or lack thereof.
 

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most humans are stupid. they have no total control over their own emotions. i wish i could control mine because apparently, it makes no sense to be proud of being a human. for those people who can control their emotions, just know that i'm happy for you. this arab-israeli thing is all nonsense. they are too human in their actions. i think some animals act a ton more decent than them.
 

Amused

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<< most humans are stupid. they have no total control over their own emotions. i wish i could control mine because apparently, it makes no sense to be proud of being a human. for those people who can control their emotions, just know that i'm happy for you. this arab-israeli thing is all nonsense. they are too human in their actions. i think some animals act a ton more decent than them. >>



:confused:

Non-human animals run solely on two things: Instinct and emotion.
 
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<< And I think it's stupid that the world is getting pissed off that Israel is trying to fix a problem that Arafat can't... >>



True. Either Arafat is incapable of stopping the suicide bombings, or he is capable of doing so and chooses not to.
 

aphex

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The latest suicide bomber was only a 16 year old girl?!?

Sickening.
 

aphex

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Put on CNN: Arafat's mother-in-law just called in...
 

aphex

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<< Put on CNN: Arafat's mother-in-law just called in... >>



UPDATE: Wow, talk about making a one-sided arguement. Here's a quote in response to the newscaster asking if their will be more terrorist bombings "Their killing our innocent people. We can let them humiliate us like that."
 

prontospyder

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I still can't believe Arafat rejected Clinton and Barak's very generous peace deal at Camp David.

While Arafat is talking about peace in English, he turn around and speaks about violence in Arabic to his people. He's gotta start talking about peace in Arabic and stop the brainwashing at schools, in the media, etc...

Let's just hope everyone backs the Saudi peace deal.
 

Riprorin

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Has anyone read this book "From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine" by Joan Peters?

Book Description

This monumental and fascinating book, the product of seven years of original research, will forever change the terms of the debate about the conflicting claims of the Arabs and the Jews in the Middle East.

The weight of the comprehensive evidence found and brilliantly analyzed by historian and journalist Joan Peters answers many crucial questions, among them: Why are the Arab refugees from Israel seen in a different light from all the other, far more numerous peoples who were displaced after World War II? Why, indeed, are they seen differently from the Jewish refugees who were forced, in 1948 and after, to leave the Arab countries to find a haven in Israel? Who, in fact, are the Arabs who were living within the borders of present-day Israel, and where did they come from?

Joan Peters's highly readable and moving development of the answers to these and related questions will appear startling, even to those on both sides of the argument who have considered themselves to be in command of the facts. On the basis of a definitive weight of hitherto unexamined population and other historical data, much of it buried in untouched archives, Peters demonstrates that Jews did not displace Arabs in Palestine-just the reverse: Arabs displaced Jews; that a hidden but major Arab migration and immigration took place into areas settled by Jews in pre-Israel Palestine; that a substantial number of the Arab refugees called Palestinians in reality had foreign roots; that for every Arab refugee who left Israel in 1948, there was a Jewish refugee who fled or was expelled from his Arab birthplace at the same time-today's much discussed Sephardic majority in Israel is in fact composed mainly of these Arab-born Jewish refugees or their offspring; that Britain, the Mandatory power, winked at and even encouraged Arab immigration into Palestine between the two World Wars; that by disguising the Arab immigrants as "indigenous native Palestinian Arabs," the British justified their restrictions on Jewish immigration and settlement, dooming masses of European Jews to destruction in the Nazi camps.

Joan Peters also unfolds a historical record to shatter the widely held belief that Arabs and Jews harmoniously coexisted for centuries in the Arab world-the fact is that the Jews, along with other non-Muslims, were second-class citizens, oppressed in the Muslim world for more than a millennium. And this continuing prejudicial tradition of hostility underlies, as well, every Arab action toward the state of Israel.

In addition to her pioneering archival researches, Joan Peters has frequently traveled in the Middle East, conducting numerous interviews and gathering the personal observations of the first-rate reporter she is. The result is a book that has already had a major impact on policy discussions of one of the most vital and intractable of the world's problems, shrouded until now in a fog of misinformation and ignorance.

Distributed exclusively by Jonathan David Publishers.

About the Author
Joan Peters has written and lectured widely on the Middle East, Central America, and the Soviet Union. She has contributed to Harper's, Commentary, The New Republic, The New Leader, and other periodicals, and has served as White House consultant on the Middle East.

Looks like an interesting read.
 

bambam

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Fron one of the newswires today - Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabi has promise from U.S. tha Afafat will not be harmed . I guess GWB has decided to continue pandering to the Arabs ( and of course there'sour dependence on foreign oil) so they won't square off against the US when we go after Iraq and maybe Iran too.
 

novon

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<< What people refuse to understand is there IS no peace for the Arabs without the total annihilation of the state of Israel. This has been their ultimate goal all along, and why the whole thing started in the first place. >>



The same can be said about Israel, Sharon is a terrorist himself, he talks like Israel is the victim of all this in the International community, but if you read the transcripts of his speeches to his own people, all he talks about it revenge, and "total annihilation" of the palestinians. Both parties are guilty, don't be so biased.




<< and all because the people in the middle east are jealous turds, and think they have the right to dictate who can live where, all the while breaking every law of their so called religion. >>



Don't be so arrogant and ignorant, no one is jealous, the palestinians are being opressed by the Israelis, and they are wrongly responding with violence. And America bombs, sells weapons, or helps when it's in their best interest. If I were over there I'd be desperate too, just not to the point of suicide bombings. Remeber too that Israel is a big agressor, and they want total domination.



<< palestininians have never compromised even an inch throughout, its israel doing all of the giving in >>



Or rathe both parties don't compromise, Israel is an agressor.



<< All Israel has todo is to move out of the occupied lands, the gaza strip and the west bank. Remove all there settlements and stop building new ones, all the palistinians want is there homeland back which the Israelies stole 50 years ago. The Israelies have already agreed to do this, before Sharon was in power but it was never implemented.

The Palistinian poeple are undr siege, they don't have and army to fight with, any usefull weapons to use, they use the only thing they have - themselves to fight the Israelies. The Israelies cannot kill Arrafat, if they do then it'll be all out war, Arrafat will be a martre, Jehad - holy war.

They only way to get things moving in the right dirrection is to make concesions to the palistinians, like the uk did to the IRA, and put the ball in there court
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Couldn't have said it better my self.
 

jjones

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<< Has anyone read this book "From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine" by Joan Peters? >>


I've never read the book and I don't know the author but by the description of the book, there is nothing startling about it to me. What is startling is that many people have absorbed so much disinformation over the decades and they believe it in this day and age. What is startling is that people that know little or nothing about the history of the region and the conflict so easily toss blame around.

The description of the book very much coincides with what I have learned on my own. Why I find fault with the British, why I think Right to Return is hypocritical, who are the real Palestinians and who are the people posing as Palestinians, what is the real Arab agenda and why there won't be peace unless it is peace from strength.