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<< uh, your solution is as good as saying 'lets wipe out all the israelis and give the land back to the palestinians'..
and i don't have a solution, but yours is surely fvcking retarded. as is anyone who says to wipe out an entire bunch innocent people. >>
If I was saying wipe out innocent people, that would be stupid. But did I say that? Didn't think so, I said wipe out the palestinians. If the israelis were doing the same sh1t to the palestinians that the palestinians are doing to the israelis, then eliminating the israelis would be the solution. I don't expect you to grasp this solution as you like to see people die slow and painful deaths just like the israelis are experiencing.
KK >>
Heh, yeah the israelis are purely innocent. Listen fool--you're OBVIOUSLY ignorant to the matter and have no insight about it, so just keep your mouth shut. You're just making a fool of yourself, trust me. You're not worth arguing with.
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<< Very Good Read >>
This guy loses all credibility when he says:
<< He told me that the Zionist slogan "A people without a land for a land without people," was sheer nonsense, for a very large population of Palestinian Arabs had lived there for more than a thousand years. Arab fury at Israel is based not on some sort of wild hysteria: it is the anguish of people who have been systematically and ruthlessly dispossessed from their homeland and personal property. >>
Complete BS. The resaon why the Arabs have been attacking Israel is the very same reason that Bin Laden is attacking the US: Their presence in the ME is an affront to their religion, and the infidels must be removed. This has little to NOTHING to do with land rights, and everything to do with pure hate brought on by the Arabs over religion. Israel was PERFECTLY fine to coexist with Arabs, but the Arabs have repeatedly refused to coexist with the state of Israel starting with a combined Arab attack on the very day Israel was declared a nation.
Yes, it really IS that simple, for there is NO other reason why the surrounding Arabs nation would, at the same time, treat the Palestinian Arabs like crap and refuse to allow them entry into their countries but use them to fight a proxy war with Israel after Israel handed them their asses in three wars.
He's fallen for anti-Israel propaganda, and hard. It seems you have too.
The latest suicide bomber to strike was a 16 year old girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the heck is a 16 year old girl involved in this instead of doing what a 16 year old girl should be doing, like chasing boys around or going to dances.
The palestinians are simply sitting back and allowing these groups to take their kids away to kill themselves.....
This is a classic example of how the terrorist organizations are using their influence to have kids do what none of the adults want to do, which is kill themselves!!!!! I mean, a 16 year old girl could not have come up wit hthe bombing all by herself. Heck, I feel these organizations are using the young people because they know that the kids are open to peer pressure, and I am sure that is exactly what is happening. I have yet to see a top leader of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Arafats own terrorist organization commit this terrible act of killing themselves. Nooooooooo they would rather send their own kids out there and kill themselves.
Arafat has gone too far this time and I do not blame Isreal for taking over the Compound of Arafat. And arresting 60+ palestinians who are the ones that are organizing the suicide attacks.
One thing I do not agree with Isreal is the lack of Isreal not going after Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the others that are claiming responsability. I do not think that the Palestinian Authority can stop Hamas and the others, mainly because the leaders of those other groups say that they will not stop the attacks.
What the heck is a 16 year old girl involved in this instead of doing what a 16 year old girl should be doing, like chasing boys around or going to dances.
The palestinians are simply sitting back and allowing these groups to take their kids away to kill themselves.....
This is a classic example of how the terrorist organizations are using their influence to have kids do what none of the adults want to do, which is kill themselves!!!!! I mean, a 16 year old girl could not have come up wit hthe bombing all by herself. Heck, I feel these organizations are using the young people because they know that the kids are open to peer pressure, and I am sure that is exactly what is happening. I have yet to see a top leader of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Arafats own terrorist organization commit this terrible act of killing themselves. Nooooooooo they would rather send their own kids out there and kill themselves.
Arafat has gone too far this time and I do not blame Isreal for taking over the Compound of Arafat. And arresting 60+ palestinians who are the ones that are organizing the suicide attacks.
One thing I do not agree with Isreal is the lack of Isreal not going after Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the others that are claiming responsability. I do not think that the Palestinian Authority can stop Hamas and the others, mainly because the leaders of those other groups say that they will not stop the attacks.
Newsweek has a big section on Israel this week...it's a good read:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/728811.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/news/728811.asp
I'm watching my local news right now and they had a little segment where a reporter was shown interviewing palestinian gunmen on the streets... one gunman shot his weapon in the air (god knows why, maybe machismo?) and moments later he gets taken out by an Israeli sniper. The local station was using footage from probably some major news organization. Doubt they'd have reporters in the region. Anyone else see this? I admit, it's wrong to be amused of someone dying but I was...as long its not involving innocents...
<<Complete BS. The resaon why the Arabs have been attacking Israel is the very same reason that Bin Laden is attacking the US: Their presence in the ME is an affront to their religion, and the infidels must be removed. This has little to NOTHING to do with land rights, and everything to do with pure hate brought on by the Arabs over religion. Israel was PERFECTLY fine to coexist with Arabs, but the Arabs have repeatedly refused to coexist with the state of Israel starting with a combined Arab attack on the very day Israel was declared a nation.>>
Nice Amused, I see you now are speaking for a whole bunch of peoples. I like this line:
<<He's fallen for anti-Israel propaganda, and hard. It seems you have too.>>
You, on the other hand, who have lived your life in a pro Israeli state and almost never exposed to the other side of the story, aren't infected with any propaganda. Sad that you can't admit that possibility. When you talk of historical knowledge, all you really mean is history as you know it.
It's interesting that you claim Arabs are responding to religion, and yet when the Christian bashing starts over crimes they commit, they always say it's not the religion, but flaws in people. Not saying you make that case, only that many do.
My point is that it's a bit distressing to see so many support violence as a solution to violence. They do so, of course, because they are sure. That type of certainty, it strikes me, is a form of insanity. It is saying that what I think is more important than someone elses
life. The alternative to violence isn't pacifism, it's love.
Nice Amused, I see you now are speaking for a whole bunch of peoples. I like this line:
<<He's fallen for anti-Israel propaganda, and hard. It seems you have too.>>
You, on the other hand, who have lived your life in a pro Israeli state and almost never exposed to the other side of the story, aren't infected with any propaganda. Sad that you can't admit that possibility. When you talk of historical knowledge, all you really mean is history as you know it.
It's interesting that you claim Arabs are responding to religion, and yet when the Christian bashing starts over crimes they commit, they always say it's not the religion, but flaws in people. Not saying you make that case, only that many do.
My point is that it's a bit distressing to see so many support violence as a solution to violence. They do so, of course, because they are sure. That type of certainty, it strikes me, is a form of insanity. It is saying that what I think is more important than someone elses
life. The alternative to violence isn't pacifism, it's love.
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<< <<Complete BS. The resaon why the Arabs have been attacking Israel is the very same reason that Bin Laden is attacking the US: Their presence in the ME is an affront to their religion, and the infidels must be removed. This has little to NOTHING to do with land rights, and everything to do with pure hate brought on by the Arabs over religion. Israel was PERFECTLY fine to coexist with Arabs, but the Arabs have repeatedly refused to coexist with the state of Israel starting with a combined Arab attack on the very day Israel was declared a nation.>>
Nice Amused, I see you now are speaking for a whole bunch of peoples. I like this line:
<<He's fallen for anti-Israel propaganda, and hard. It seems you have too.>>
You, on the other hand, who have lived your life in a pro Israeli state and almost never exposed to the other side of the story, aren't infected with any propaganda. Sad that you can't admit that possibility. When you talk of historical knowledge, all you really mean is history as you know it.
It's interesting that you claim Arabs are responding to religion, and yet when the Christian bashing starts over crimes they commit, they always say it's not the religion, but flaws in people. Not saying you make that case, only that many do.
My point is that it's a bit distressing to see so many support violence as a solution to violence. They do so, of course, because they are sure. That type of certainty, it strikes me, is a form of insanity. It is saying that what I think is more important than someone elses
life. The alternative to violence isn't pacifism, it's love. >>
Translation: I have no counter point except to question your facts with ambiguous accusations of bias.
As for Christianity, yes, it has been, and is now to a far lessor extent the cause for many attrocities. This point falls flat with me. Next...
My point to Czar in another thread: How could Nazi aggression in WWII have been stopped with pacifism or "love" as you call it?
Moonie, there is a reason why the Buddhist nations have been walked all over and made to be everyone's bitch throughout history, and you're a perfect example of it.
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<< My point is that it's a bit distressing to see so many support violence as a solution to violence. They do so, of course, because they are sure. That type of certainty, it strikes me, is a form of insanity. It is saying that what I think is more important than someone elses
life. The alternative to violence isn't pacifism, it's love. >>
You know Moonie, I'm certain that you actually believe that last sentence in the above quote.
"Love" is the answer to all the evil in the world. If only we loved the murderers, it would be inconceivable that they would wish to harm others, and renounce their evil ways.
Oh, that's right my bad, evil doesn't exist and "these" people are only misunderstood.
For a moment, let's play a game of "what if's" and see how honest you can be.
What if you had children. What if I murdered them because I believe that they were scum and needed to be removed from their life because their very existance was grossly offensive to me.
Would you still love me?
<< The alternative to violence isn't pacifism, it's love. >>
Yeah, that's been shown to have a good historical basis.
<< It's about time they do something, they just need to wipe the whole palestinian population out of existance. Nothing but a bunch of wackos. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
KK >>
Need to add another "K" to your name...
<<
<< It's about time they do something, they just need to wipe the whole palestinian population out of existance. Nothing but a bunch of wackos. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
KK >>
Need to add another "K" to your name... >>
I though about posting that but I dont care. Also it doesnt work because the KKK is against jews (Israeli's) and are pro palestinian b/c to them the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Well the problem that so many have in understanding what I'm talking about is that you have no personal point of reference. All your arguments take place in your own heads with your own notions of what love is. In order to have an intelligent conversation of the subject would require two lovers, and between them, of course, no conversation is required.
Oh, my Beloved, wherever I look, it appears to be Thou.
Humanity is asleep living as an giant automaton. The program we lay down today will determine our future. Violence begats violence. What goes around comes around.
Because we do not know what we feel, we cannot remember. Because we cannot remember, we do not know who we are. Because we do not know who we are, we have nothing but opinion.
Oh, my Beloved, wherever I look, it appears to be Thou.
Humanity is asleep living as an giant automaton. The program we lay down today will determine our future. Violence begats violence. What goes around comes around.
Because we do not know what we feel, we cannot remember. Because we cannot remember, we do not know who we are. Because we do not know who we are, we have nothing but opinion.
<< It's interesting that you claim Arabs are responding to religion, >>
Lets be honest here-- Both sides have an element of religious fanaticism. There are quite a few Jews who believe that they have a God given right to this land. There are a lot of Muslims who believe that they are following Allah's will to kill Jews. Both sides ARE influenced by religion. The only reason suicide bombers exist is becase Islam has been twisted to allow for them. One of the main reasons Jerusalem is so contested is because of religion. DUH?
<< Violence begats violence. What goes around comes around. >>
I do agree with this.
Lets be honest here everyone: there are only two real possible solutions- either Israel will simply expel the Palestinians and set up a fence around all of Israel OR they will retreat to some sort of 1967 border and set up a fence.
I dont think peace will happen any other way. There are too many extremists on both sides. (And too many uneducated people who are willing to blindly support them)
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<< Well the problem that so many have in understanding what I'm talking about is that you have no personal point of reference. All your arguments take place in your own heads with your own notions of what love is. In order to have an intelligent conversation of the subject would require two lovers, and between them, of course, no conversation is required.
Oh, my Beloved, wherever I look, it appears to be Thou.
Humanity is asleep living as an giant automaton. The program we lay down today will determine our future. Violence begats violence. What goes around comes around.
Because we do not know what we feel, we cannot remember. Because we cannot remember, we do not know who we are. Because we do not know who we are, we have nothing but opinion. >>
Using humor to alleviate your suffering almost works doesn't it?
It's interesting, however, that the understanding of true "love" really does require two now doesn't it. Perhaps you own words only reinforce my opinion why "love" doesn't really work in this situation.
If I frolic in the meadow, picking flowers, thinking good thoughts, will Osama hate me then?
One thing is certain, you don't have the ability to offer any viable solution to the problems that face our world, the real world. Why not try giving me something that might provoke thoughtful pondering instead the usual absurdity quoted above?
Well what if I were to tell you, Corn, that you were a prisoner, and that your bars were your illusion that you were free. The situation is somewhat analogous. Now if I were to sass that information on to you would you call it practical advise or a lie. Do you think that if the truth were something easy to pass on that the world would be in the mess it's in? The truth is the last thing anybody wants to know, the feeling that we are worthless. I can't make you feel, nor would I want to if I could. It's impossible enough trying to do so myself, and I'm alread onboard. All I can do is point.
But if you look at the content of any P vs I thread you see this remarkable phenomenon. Many want total destruction of both sides because of the disturbance they cause, the inconvenience they pose in their intractibility. You don't suppose people react this way because conflict brings up feelings we would rather not feel, do you?
But if you look at the content of any P vs I thread you see this remarkable phenomenon. Many want total destruction of both sides because of the disturbance they cause, the inconvenience they pose in their intractibility. You don't suppose people react this way because conflict brings up feelings we would rather not feel, do you?
<< Well the problem that so many have in understanding what I'm talking about is that you have no personal point of reference. All your arguments take place in your own heads with your own notions of what love is. In order to have an intelligent conversation of the subject would require two lovers, and between them, of course, no conversation is required.
Oh, my Beloved, wherever I look, it appears to be Thou.
Humanity is asleep living as an giant automaton. The program we lay down today will determine our future. Violence begats violence. What goes around comes around.
Because we do not know what we feel, we cannot remember. Because we cannot remember, we do not know who we are. Because we do not know who we are, we have nothing but opinion. >>
Wow - it must be nice in the fantasy world you exist in. Unfortunately, I keep tripping over this thing called '"reality".
Anyway -
Is Israel innocent in this matter? No. Both sides have done nasty things to each. However, when you start sending suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians, you lose your right to be treated with any measure of respect. This much is clear: If the palestenians had the means to destory Israel, they would in an instant. Israel, however, has had the means to obliterate every palestenian, and has not done so. They simply want the attacks to end. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with extremists who are beyond rational thought is with force. You don't coddle or appease them - you do what is neccesary to stop them.
<<
Is Israel innocent in this matter? No. Both sides have done nasty things to each. However, when you start sending suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians, you lose your right to be treated with any measure of respect. This much is clear: If the palestenians had the means to destory Israel, they would in an instant. Israel, however, has had the means to obliterate every palestenian, and has not done so. They simply want the attacks to end. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with extremists who are beyond rational thought is with force. You don't coddle or appease them - you do what is neccesary to stop them. >>
I agree 100%
How can any "State" expect respect and recognition when all they do is kill innocent civilians? I do not how a religion like Islam can even exist.
Think I'll start my own religion, write my own bible, and then preach how those who does not follow my religion should die.
Any Muslims out there? What makes me so inferior to you since I am not a muslim? Also, isn't Islam a fairly new religion compared to all the others? If so then how can all other religions be inferior to Islam if they were here long before 'Allah' made his presence known. And who is allah anyway?
I am not sure what gives over there, but it seems if you are not a Muslim you are not wanted.... where is all the love. Can't we all just get along?
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