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israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

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theflyingpig said:
The liberal media at its finest.
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Uhhh...The liberal media typically supports the Palestinian (In this case, the blockade-defying aid flotilla) side.

What do YOU think happened? The leaders of the aid fleet knew they were violating the Israelis' blockade. And the only thing the Israelis can do in such a situation is to stop the blockade and assert their authority. They're trying to keep weapons out of Gaza to avoid an uprising; they're not trying to keep the Gazans from getting food.
 
sdifox said:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...g-after-ship-raided-by-israel/article1586701/

I hope they find this guy alive.
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Well, the bonus of maritime warfare is that people usually don't get too far.


Looks like IDF armed themselves with paintball guns and then jumped on to a ship full of animals. IDF aint what it used to be (but we leanrd that in Lebanon 2006)
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Shayetet 13 soldiers (the one who stormed the ship) are the last guys you want to mess with. Of the entire array of IDF special units, these guys are probably the most effective in close encounter combat. Their weapons were replaced with toys, and vastly outnumbered, what do you expect 😉

One of the soldiers who took part in the raid and broke his hand in the clash recounted the moments of horror when he and his comrades were assaulted by about 30 activists on board.

“After every person came down (from the helicopter,) three or four guys grabbed a hold of him and simply beat him senseless. They lynched us. They were equipped with metal bats, knives, slingshots, and glass bottles. At some point we faced live fire by two guys,” he said.

“I was among the last to come down, and I saw the guys spread all over, each in another corner, with three or four people around each. I saw a soldier on the ground with two people beating the hell out of him. I pushed them off of him, and they moved on to me and started to beat me up with the poles. This is how I broke my hand apparently,” he said. “At the time I was not holding a weapon, just like everyone who came down from the rope barehanded and with our paintball guns on our backs.”

‘We faced live ammunition’
“They came at me and assaulted me. I took them down to the ground. I took a few steps back and pulled out my paintball gun. They charged me while I fired at their legs,” he said. “One of the bats shattered the weapon, so I moved on to the handgun, so that I have something to hold. At that point my arm wasn’t functional.”

“I saw two of my guys lying on the floor. We were being fired at, with live ammunition, from the corridor. It was bullets. I spotted a muzzle, and one of us fired at the guy. We came in after that and he wasn’t there.”


“There were about 30 people there,” the soldier summed up. “They simply came for war. We came to talk to them, convince them to come down, yet with every person who came down, they simply charged.”
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I read the full interview with him, he said that following this, they took out their personal handguns and started shooting at the attackers legs from point blank. When these guys enter combat mode, it's a miracle there were only 9 fatalities and not 90.
 
I took some time to watch the various video clips and am just plain amazed that those Shayetet 13 troopers would fast-rope onto a large ship like that loaded with an assortment of violent "peace" activists and do so armed with PAINTBALL guns!

Why the hell did they not fast-rope in with the maximum number of troopers in the shortest time possible (the whole point of fast-rope heli to ship boarding) so as to have an effective force on the ship from the get go? It looks like there was a seven second interval from when the first trooper hit the ship to the next one arriving and then the intervals were still three to four seconds between each guy until nearly the very end. They needed every one of their guys on the deck ASAP as soon as they saw their guys were being attacked.

Even as they were being attacked with heavy metal rods, chairs, knives and whatever hard, pointy objects the "peace" activists could bring to bear, while their OWN TROOPER was being thrown overboard, they responded with PAINTBALLS!

These guys continued to fast-rope down watching their guys get mauled by wilded "peace" activists intent on killing their comrades! And then they used PAINTBALLS!

Even as they were being STABBED they did not shoot and tried to respond with non-deadly force.

That reflects courage, discipline and maybe stupid adherence to someone's stupid rules of engagement. But this seems the norm for these guys, even if it means they take more casualties than they should.

At some point, the troops that got knocked down had their handguns taken away from them and used against them. Apparently, that was when the troopers got authorization to respond with deadly force.

The "peace" activists are nothing of the sort. They set sail ready to fight and kill Israelis, given a chance. While many here and in the press characterize them as victims, they are nothing of the sort.

There is a will to war in these "peace" activists. That is why they always resort to violence. That is why they strap bombs to their kids and why they feel nothing but joy at killing the innocent.

I am disgusted by those here who argue that the Israelis had no right to inspect these ships before they entered Israeli waters.

Israel knows that they are at war with extremists of the type that were aboard the vessel. They have no reason to trust anyone else's assurances that there will be no bombs, there will be no weapons, there will be no missiles, until, of course, there are. And then it is too late.

Those who trot out the stupid and vapid anti-Semite hangers on with their university degrees and their Nobel prizes must laugh themselves to sleep, for fools like those have little recognition that they are but pawns to be sacrificed.

Despite the certain danger these Israeli troopers encountered, they acted with remarkable constraint. It is a wonder so few "activist" assaulters were killed or wounded.

But that is not how the racist anti-Semites see the world so I don't expect more than full blame laying on those troops.

This is but a skirmish in a long war that is overdue to flare anew.
 
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If anyone has wondered why I have stayed away from the pissing contests on this thread, its because I have been trying to get concrete news pn the progress of the UN emergency session convened at 1 PM eastern time.

This is the latest link I can find, as you can see Turkey may dump all Israel ties, the UK calls for an end of the Israeli blockade of Gaza, the US tries to half way agree with Britain and Israel, and Israel is seeming both clueless and defiant.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/un.security.council.gaza/

If anyone has later updates, please let this forum know.
 
An thought I had: Doesn't the fact that these ships were loaded with hundreds of non-crew "peace activists" instead of relief supplies indicate that the primary purpose was not humanitarian relief?
 
Lemon law said:
If anyone has wondered why I have stayed away from the pissing contests on this thread, its because I have been trying to get concrete news pn the progress of the UN emergency session convened at 1 PM eastern time.

This is the latest link I can find, as you can see Turkey may dump all Israel ties, the UK calls for an end of the Israeli blockade of Gaza, the US tries to half way agree with Britain and Israel, and Israel is seeming both clueless and defiant.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/un.security.council.gaza/

If anyone has later updates, please let this forum know.
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hahahaaaa...you and your UN...rofol...hahahaaaaa
 
SarcasticDwarf said:
An thought I had: Doesn't the fact that these ships were loaded with hundreds of non-crew "peace activists" instead of relief supplies indicate that the primary purpose was not humanitarian relief?
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that should go without saying.

if their actual interest was humanitarian relief, they would have accepted Israel's offer to take the supplies into Gaza themselves.
 
SamurAchzar said:
I read the full interview with him, he said that following this, they took out their personal handguns and started shooting at the attackers legs from point blank. When these guys enter combat mode, it's a miracle there were only 9 fatalities and not 90.
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They were probably unused to fighting people who fight back. Its a lot easier to murder people who aren't fighting back.

The video of that soldier getting thrown over the side was hilarious though.
 
"The Israeli commandos who were attacked as they boarded the Marmara initially used paintball rifles, the kind used to disperse minor protests, to fight off the attackers. The commandos also had hand-guns, but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. According to the same report, the commandos kept shouting, "don't shoot, don't shoot" even as they were attacked. "


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/05/026426.php


Hope the didn't use an offensive colors
 
Whats intereting about this whole affair is nobody at present knows exactly what happenned.
All we truly have is newspaper and bloggers speculations.
Hell, most all of the talk show iether liberal or conservative are waiting til tomorrow or later in the week to dive into this. Why?

Because they need more facts....not bogus or contrived speculation!

We don`t need anymore of this type of BS -- "Actual footage from the ships. I saw an Israeli terrorist walking up to some UNARMED dude in a life jacket, aiming his gun, and shooting him." -- OMG whata idiot...
 
You can't blame the soldiers. They got dropped into a gaggle of retards and started getting beaten with pipes and shit. Most of us would shoot people if we had a gun. The higher ups shouldn't of dropped them into that shit.
 
JEDIYoda said:
hahahaaaa...you and your UN...rofol...hahahaaaaa
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It does not surprise me that JEDIYoda is not connecting any dots, but what this entire incident has done is to focus international attention of both the Israeli blockade of Gaza and also the failed and dubious policy of continuing to allow Israel to keep occupying lands it captured in the 1967&73 wars. Land Israel can never own.

As GWB learned, the legitimacy of any military occupation derives solely from the UN permission.
 
JEDIYoda said:
Whats intereting about this whole affair is nobody at present knows exactly what happenned.
All we truly have is newspaper and bloggers speculations.
Hell, most all of the talk show iether liberal or conservative are waiting til tomorrow or later in the week to dive into this. Why?

Because they need more facts....not bogus or contrived speculation!

We don`t need anymore of this type of BS -- "Actual footage from the ships. I saw an Israeli terrorist walking up to some UNARMED dude in a life jacket, aiming his gun, and shooting him." -- OMG whata idiot...
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I agree to an extent, but we do have Israel's side pretty well documented. They have posted several of their videos and the mission briefing along with one of the soldier's accounts above. The other side (such as the Al Jazeera report from the ship) has posted a lot of misleading accounts and nothing in the way of footage that indicates the IDF was "murdering innocent people." I think we have already seen most of the hard evidence we ever are going to see in this case.
 
This incident is indicative of the entire Isreali/Palestinian conflict with both sides appearing equally stupid 🙄

Anybody that believes these so called "peace activists" are anything more than instigators and terrorist supporters is either an idiot or has a biased view of the situation. And to challenge the well established blockade was not a humanitarian effort but an ill advised act of aggression


And anyone who believes the Isrealis tactics were anything short of extremely stupid and asking to escalate violence is equally as idiotic. Isreal would have been better advised to
1. Announce their intentions
2. Fired a warning shot or two
3 Disabled or sunk the lead ship
Seems like pretty standard procedure for a naval blockage, but NO they repeled onto the boat armed with paint guns?
 
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