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israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

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Aegeon said:
Again ITS LEGAL TO BOARD A SHIP IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS TO ENFORCE A BLOCKADE AND AT LEAST INSPECT ITS CARGO. This is in fact not considered attacking a ship under international law. This is particularly true if the ship declares an intent to run the blockade.

While we will have to wait for more info on which ships were involved with this, some of the ships breaking the blockade apparently either had more than one international flag flying at once or switched identifying flags at sea, which is in violation of article 92 of the UN Convention on The Law of The Sea. (The ship is considered as a ship without a nationality if they do that.) This means that ANY NAVY OF ANY NATION IN THE WORLD CAN LEGALLY BOARD AND INSPECT THE SHIP IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
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Facts suck for the Flotilla of Terror apologists.
 
SamurAchzar said:
What is the problem boarding them in international waters?
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According to the nonexistant understanding of maritime law held by the anti-Israel nutjobs on this forum and around the world when you are in international waters you are immune to everything and nobody can board a ship there.
 
loki8481 said:
idk, does legally boarding a ship that's about to run a blockade really count as "attacking" it?

5 other ships went along peacefully and there were no incidents on those ships.
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legally? of course its ok to board it.

i can understand another country defending its ship when its boarded without permission. what one say's is legal may not be fallowed by another.

it was legal in teh sense the other countries of the world are not going to go attack Israel over it. hell NOTHING is going to be done anyway.

But i can understand why they defended the ship from Israel commandos.

all this is a publicity stunt Israel wanted that they fucked up. its coming back to bite them in the ass. the court of public appionion is turning against them and this is not helping.
 
waggy said:
legally? of course its ok to board it.

i can understand another country defending its ship when its boarded without permission. what one say's is legal may not be fallowed by another.

it was legal in teh sense the other countries of the world are not going to go attack Israel over it. hell NOTHING is going to be done anyway.

But i can understand why they defended the ship from Israel commandos.

all this is a publicity stunt Israel wanted that they fucked up. its coming back to bite them in the ass. the court of public appionion is turning against them and this is not helping.
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No this was a publicity stunt by the activists and it came back to bite them in the butt!

Who gives a flying f.... about the court of public opinion???
People quit caring about the court of public opinion a long time ago.....
 
It does seem like IDF was baited into undue force against the flotilla. And for that, their best course would be to apology for it.

However, the whole premise surrounding the flotilla seems ludicrous. Humanitarian aid is allowed into the area AFTER inspectation by israeli forces. If they really wanted to help the palestinians, they would abide by it. But I rather think they just wanted to protest and create a ruckus.

Israel has embargoed several goods beyond millitary material like construction materials to avoid tunnel building. The palestinians might be alittle hopeless now, but it serves no of the partners well to further arm the zone.
 
JEDIYoda said:
No this was a publicity stunt by the activists and it came back to bite them in the butt!
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This publicity stunt got them lots of...publicity.

Sounds like it worked. And judging by the condemning headlines, it worked brilliantly.

Thanks Benji 🙂
 
JEDIYoda said:
No this was a publicity stunt by the activists and it came back to bite them in the butt!

Who gives a flying f.... about the court of public opinion???
People quit caring about the court of public opinion a long time ago.....
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it came back to bite them in the butt? have you read any articles or watched any news? there is NO pro-Israel. pretty much everything is condemning how they acted.

They should care what the court of public opinion is. If the mood of the US shifts from pro-Israel to not careing funding from the US is going to slow and be reduced.
 
jpeyton said:
This publicity stunt got them lots of...publicity.

Sounds like it worked. And judging by the condemning headlines, it worked brilliantly.

Thanks Benji 🙂
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I'm glad you think forcing soldiers to kill 15 people is a brilliant strategy. You'd fit right in on that flotilla of terror. Everyone knows this.
 
waggy said:
it came back to bite them in the butt? have you read any articles or watched any news? there is NO pro-Israel. pretty much everything is condemning how they acted.

They should care what the court of public opinion is. If the mood of the US shifts from pro-Israel to not careing funding from the US is going to slow and be reduced.
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This^ I'm not against israel doing what they got to do. Just keep it clean. Slaughter these people in your own waters and sink the ship and say you don't know what anyone is talking about :sneaky:
 
SandEagle said:
outside of their jurisdiction, they were pirates, not soldiers.
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Again, it appears clearly to be their jurisdiction under international law if enforcing a blockade. Legally the only question is whether the blockade is legal, its legally irrelevant if the interception actually occurred in international waters or not. (At least in this case since the ship declared a clear intent to run the blockade.)
 
waggy said:
it came back to bite them in the butt? have you read any articles or watched any news? there is NO pro-Israel. pretty much everything is condemning how they acted.

They should care what the court of public opinion is. If the mood of the US shifts from pro-Israel to not careing funding from the US is going to slow and be reduced.
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Uh, no. There is little pro-Israel REPORTING. Note the difference.
 
SandEagle said:
outside of their jurisdiction, they were pirates, not soldiers.
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You came late into this thread and missed the whole arguement. enough with your bullshit spewing and go read back.

Under international law, israel was WELL within its rights when conducting this operation.
 
It sounds like the commandos boarded the ship to see if there were any weapons being carried on board. And then they were met with violence from the activists. People are spinning this as an attack by the Israelis, when the activists attacked them and the soldiers defended themselves.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
It sounds like the commandos boarded the ship to see if there were any weapons being carried on board. And then they were met with violence from the activists. People are spinning this as an attack by the Israelis, when the activists attacked them and the soldiers defended themselves.
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The liberal media at its finest.
 
SarcasticDwarf said:
Uh, no. There is little pro-Israel REPORTING. Note the difference.
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Old habits die hard. antisemitism never really died in Europe who compose a lot of press and USA still has a strong bias as well. Doesn't matter though. Talk all the hate and distortions you want. Israel took measures to ensure, never again, and will not let those antisemitic punks bully them.
 
Freshgeardude said:
You came late into this thread and missed the whole arguement. enough with your bullshit spewing and go read back.

Under international law, israel was WELL within its rights when conducting this operation.
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Well within their rights or not the point is - "wait and then bite" not "assault then kill in international waters" creating a fucksticle for any anti Israeli to jump on.
 
waggy said:
you are right. im sure there is. i just haven't seen it on the main news sites i have seen.

but i shouldn't say NONE that's rather stupid of me.
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That was not really my point. What I was getting at is that just because there is little pro-Israel reporting that doesn't mean that there are not a lot of people supporting Israel. Just a quick search (without verifying sources) turned up the link below, indicating that >50% of US respondents had a favorable outlook on Israel (ignoring all the issues with poll design).

http://www.pollingreport.com/israel.htm

The numbers are probably significantly less but I think it reasonable to say that the level of support for Israel's actions is not being represented in the reporting. Of course then you get into the situation we have now where the overwhelming majority of people base their opinions of the situation on what the news tells them which is already very heavily. Would it be surprising if the overwhelming majority of people whose primary news source is Al Jazeera had negative opinions towards Israel when they are outright lying in their reports? It would be interesting to see the results of a poll whose base consisted entirely of informed people.
 
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