Israel: We Are At War

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Leeea

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Ryder said the Pentagon cannot say for certain at this point what the missiles and drones were targeting, but said they were launched from Yemen and were heading north along the Red Sea, “potentially toward targets in Israel.”
no need to get all shooty shooty.

calm and chamomile tea for everyone.
 

Zor Prime

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Just cuz we shot it out of the sky doesn't mean we were the targets. The article specifically states as such.
Why you gotta go and rain on parades, man! I wish a bitch would! We could have painted FREEDOM on bombs and missiles and gifted them for DEMOCRACY! FREE. OF. CHARGE (to them, not talking about the U.S. taxpayer.) Iran is one of the cornerstone purveyors of bullshit on this planet. Let me go out on a limb and say even more than Russia -- because they sneaky-sneak at every turn like a bunch of little insidious cunts. Their government needs wiped off the map so that the Iranian people can return to ... well, freedom! Duh!
 

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Why you gotta go and rain on parades, man! I wish a bitch would! We could have painted FREEDOM on bombs and missiles and gifted them for DEMOCRACY! FREE. OF. CHARGE (to them, not talking about the U.S. taxpayer.) Iran is one of the cornerstone purveyors of bullshit on this planet. Let me go out on a limb and say even more than Russia -- because they sneaky-sneak at every turn like a bunch of little insidious cunts. Their government needs wiped off the map so that the Iranian people can return to ... well, freedom! Duh!
Exactly! Just like we gifted their neighboring state Afghanistan democracy and freedom!
 
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Even when everything is blowing up (too soon?) you have to break for levity or you'll go insane. I'd killed myself long ago if I couldn't just be like, you know what, everything is fucked in my life at the moment then laughed my ass off at my misfortune.
 

MrSquished

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Some Jews opposing Israel is evidence of exactly nothing. Jews can't agree amongst themselves over practically anything.
at least they are better than the Zionists and pro-Zionists. I think they should be able to sleep easier at night.
 

MrSquished

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This troll can't help himself .... Who are these "Zionists in this thread" who "ignore decades of Israeli oppression and terrorism"?
pro zionists, in this thread, who have dehumanized the palestinians, are all pro just giving it to Gaza at this point, basically ignore the actual decades of Israeli actions, saying things like Israel would never do anything terrible, etc. etc. etc..

have you actually read this thread? you should read it before you start talking shit like a moron.
 

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There 1000s of Arabic speakers in Israel incl many in the IDF. How convenient for the IDF to provide such a tape when the need arises, lol.
Aside from the blast and whether it was indeed a Pal rocket, are you saying that...

- there are not 1000s of Israeli Arabic speakers including many in the IDF? Yes or no?
- that any country at war would never resort to disinformation? Yes or no?
- that an Arabic audio tape could not easily be made by the Israelis? Yes or no?

If no to any of these, it would be interesting to hear you say so.
 

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There seems to be a good deal of people in this thread that aren't in the USA or haven't ever lived here at some point ... I don't know what it's like where you are, but this is an American take on this situation:

Israel is basically our avatar in the Middle East. At some point in time, we basically adopted Israel as our pet project. Nobody is kicking our pet. That's our pet and nobody is kicking it. We provide unconditional iron-clad support to Israel. It's a symbiotic relationship, we throw them bones and largely whatever they ask for. In exchange, we are able to expand our sphere of influence into the Middle East via a stable, reliable ally that we have some leverage with. This is a very condensed, simplistic layman's example. At the end of the day, it's not far off the mark. Depending from where you're standing, it can look dead-on.

We can and we will do whatever we can for Israel. Here in the United States we have many Jewish people in high positions of power. They're sprinkled from the very bedrock to the upper echelon of society here. From almost any private industry you can think of to government. From the average garbage person or custodian to mega-billionaires. We keep some of these people happy by keeping Israel happy. Right now, there's some seriously pissed off people with deep pockets in the USA. You can be assured they aren't the only ones, and some have a hell of a lot of influence and pull.

This is why Israel can and will largely do whatever they want because if they don't get to shit is going to hit the fan here at home. It's better to let all the bullshit stay over in the Middle East. We can deal with some demonstrations. People demonstrate over everything here. It's another flash in the pan, another drop in the bucket. These demonstrators will face repercussions. There will be backlash, and they will pay the price.

Be assured and guaranteed, the Israel-USA machine will continue to churn. Rules and regulations will be rewritten to accommodate Israel should it come down to it or just flat-out ignored. We don't dispatch a pair of carrier strike groups for fun and games. Besides, we want the next iteration of Core architecture coming out of Israel for Intel. Intel's Israeli IDC team has been balls-deep for nearly half a century.

I'm not giving a pass to anyone, or anything. I'm saying from my perspective of how things are and why they are as an American for anyone not-American, explaining part of the reasoning of why we're supporting Israel as much as we are. I ain't got anything else that comes to mind at the moment, there you go.
 

Ajay

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I think we should strap him to the first bomb.
Yes, this. And any other moron who seems to have forgotten what happened with the US campaign in Iraq and Afghanistan. War with Iran - might as well just shoot 7,000 marines dead and dump $8T into the sea. Lunatics.
 
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Aside from the blast and whether it was indeed a Pal rocket, are you saying that...

- there are not 1000s of Israeli Arabic speakers including many in the IDF? Yes or no?
- that any country at war would never resort to disinformation? Yes or no?
- that an Arabic audio tape could not easily be made by the Israelis? Yes or no?

If no to any of these, it would be interesting to hear you say so.
I was simply directly saying that your post was a TROLL.
 

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There seems to be a good deal of people in this thread that aren't in the USA or haven't ever lived here at some point ... I don't know what it's like where you are, but this is an American take on this situation:

Israel is basically our avatar in the Middle East. At some point in time, we basically adopted Israel as our pet project. Nobody is kicking our pet. That's our pet and nobody is kicking it. We provide unconditional iron-clad support to Israel. It's a symbiotic relationship, we throw them bones and largely whatever they ask for. In exchange, we are able to expand our sphere of influence into the Middle East via a stable, reliable ally that we have some leverage with. This is a very condensed, simplistic layman's example. At the end of the day, it's not far off the mark. Depending from where you're standing, it can look dead-on.

We can and we will do whatever we can for Israel. Here in the United States we have many Jewish people in high positions of power. They're sprinkled from the very bedrock to the upper echelon of society here. From almost any private industry you can think of to government. From the average garbage person or custodian to mega-billionaires. We keep some of these people happy by keeping Israel happy. Right now, there's some seriously pissed off people with deep pockets in the USA. You can be assured they aren't the only ones, and some have a hell of a lot of influence and pull.

This is why Israel can and will largely do whatever they want because if they don't get to shit is going to hit the fan here at home. It's better to let all the bullshit stay over in the Middle East. We can deal with some demonstrations. People demonstrate over everything here. It's another flash in the pan, another drop in the bucket. These demonstrators will face repercussions. There will be backlash, and they will pay the price.

Be assured and guaranteed, the Israel-USA machine will continue to churn. Rules and regulations will be rewritten to accommodate Israel should it come down to it or just flat-out ignored. We don't dispatch a pair of carrier strike groups for fun and games. Besides, we want the next iteration of Core architecture coming out of Israel for Intel. Intel's Israeli IDC team has been balls-deep for nearly half a century.

I'm not giving a pass to anyone, or anything. I'm saying from my perspective of how things are and why they are as an American for anyone not-American, explaining part of the reasoning of why we're supporting Israel as much as we are. I ain't got anything else that comes to mind at the moment, there you go.

This post is everything wrong with the Israeli-American relationship. I understand the US has geopolitical interests in supporting countries as in Ukraine. But in at least that situation there's a morality underpinning Ukraine's struggle. As you said, here we're basically the weapons provider for a regional bully hell bent on stealing land and oppressing the original owners to get it. I don't want young Americans dying for that.
 

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I don't look at this issue from the point of view of who is justified to use violence or not. It seems rather clear that Hamas is full of monsters. I look at the fact that there are tons and tons of different religions in the world and the West decided to create one whole cloth in a place where many religions claim are holy. It's called the Holy Land for a reason. In my opinion that was a titanic disaster because the instant result was that Muslims in particular would go to the ends of the earth to keep that from happening. The result of that, of course, is the realization that only extreme brutality and long term humiliation of the resisters became the simple minded way to entrench the Jewish State. Israelis believe they deserve what no other democracy can claim, the right to live in a Zionist nation.

In my opinion that insistence has created and made worse the savagery of the people Israel seeks to replace.

As for Jews not all agreeing on anything, the ones that could see the path Israel went down would lead to exactly what we see today. Some opinions accord with reality and some do not. Now we see a race to discover who can wipe out whom. The Jews managed to get themselves hated by large numbers of people. When you try to humiliate people that is what they will do.
 

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I don't look at this issue from the point of view of who is justified to use violence or not. It seems rather clear that Hamas is full of monsters. I look at the fact that there are tons and tons of different religions in the world and the West decided to create one whole cloth in a place where many religions claim are holy. It's called the Holy Land for a reason. In my opinion that was a titanic disaster because the instant result was that Muslims in particular would go to the ends of the earth to keep that from happening. The result of that, of course, is the realization that only extreme brutality and long term humiliation of the resisters became the simple minded way to entrench the Jewish State. Israelis believe they deserve what no other democracy can claim, the right to live in a Zionist nation.

In my opinion that insistence has created and made worse the savagery of the people Israel seeks to replace.

As for Jews not all agreeing on anything, the ones that could see the path Israel went down would lead to exactly what we see today. Some opinions accord with reality and some do not. Now we see a race to discover who can wipe out whom. The Jews managed to get themselves hated by large numbers of people. When you try to humiliate people that is what they will do.

Claiming that the "west" invented Judaism in about 1948 has to be the most incoherent thing you've ever said, and that's saying a lot.