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Israel: We Are At War

A hot take...

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Seems the Government of Israel will now be able to remove Hamas anyway they choose;

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This is one way Hamas sent in armed small teams deep into Israel;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1710611156774027516

This is the worst that Hamas could have done for the Palestinian cause. Any goodwill in Europe will evaporate. The Palestinian people need a Gandhi. Non violent but active resistance is the only way forward for them.
 
True tragedy all of the land loss the Palestinians have incurred over generations. But yeah ... this isn't helping the Palestinians. One step forward, two steps back. I don't see how there will ever be genuine lasting peace when so many flavors of hatred run so deep. You can broker a peace deal and have temporary peace there until someone looks at someone else the wrong way then it's on like Donkey Kong all over again.
 
RnR_au said:
A hot take...

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Seems the Government of Israel will now be able to remove Hamas anyway they choose;

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This is one way Hamas sent in armed small teams deep into Israel;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1710611156774027516

This is the worst that Hamas could have done for the Palestinian cause. Any goodwill in Europe will evaporate. The Palestinian people need a Gandhi. Non violent but active resistance is the only way forward for them.
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They have no way forward.
 
RnR_au said:
The Palestinian people need a Gandhi. Non violent but active resistance is the only way forward for them.
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Except Gandhi/non violence didn't win us freedom, it was the second world war ironically. Of course he was right about (not having) the partition, but the Brits had sown seeds of discourse for decades leading to that outcome! The issue these days is that, much like in the past, people aren't willing to share or concede/listen to the other side. Sure Israel is at fault for their continuous encroachment on disputed(?) territory but really they can do that only because they can get away with it & anyone who can almost always does ~ from ancient Rome to the emerging/belligerent China & yes yours truly the US of A.
 
Zor Prime said:
True tragedy all of the land loss the Palestinians have incurred over generations. But yeah ... this isn't helping the Palestinians. One step forward, two steps back. I don't see how there will ever be genuine lasting peace when so many flavors of hatred run so deep. You can broker a peace deal and have temporary peace there until someone looks at someone else the wrong way then it's on like Donkey Kong all over again.
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High probability that conflict will remain until the land becomes uninhabitable from climate change, at which point nobody will care.
 
R0H1T said:
Sure Israel is at fault for their continuous encroachment on disputed(?) territory but really they can do that only because they can get away with it & anyone who can almost always does ~ from ancient Rome to the emerging/belligerent China & yes yours truly the US of A.
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Hamas enables Netanyahu. An existential threat will always give rise to a set of 'strong man' politics. If Hamas didn't exist or were a marginalised power left wing political parties might be more successful in Israel.
 
RnR_au said:
Hamas enables Netanyahu. An existential threat will always give rise to a set of 'strong man' politics. If Hamas didn't exist or were a marginalised power left wing political parties might be more successful in Israel.
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It's a vicious circle, whatever Israel did/does gets more Palestinians to support Hamas which in turn enables Netanyahu even more. The only realistic way to get this over with is probably a full scale war.
 
I don't understand the end goal for Israel. You can't repeatedly humiliate people who are you neighbors and not expect animus. This is partially the US's fault as well for allowing it. I hope Russia is understand the type of animosity you seed amongst the families of all the people you kill.
 
This is a giant failure of Israeli intelligence that is going to need some major explaining. The lack of quick response from Israeli security forces also is a big question.

As for Hamas there is no way they pulled this off themselves. Likely parties trying to derail Israeli normalization with Saudi Arabia and the Saudi-US defense pact heavily supported if not planned this attack. Leading suspects would be Iran and Russia.
 
@RnR_au Good will from Europe or anywhere else means jack shit unless it's actually backed up with something to deter Israel from continuing to try and eradicate Palestine.

@K1052 aren't Israel and Russia buddies? I thought the former were offering aid to the latter re Ukraine? I can't remember the specifics.
 
HomerJS said:
I worry Netanyahu will be allowed to go full authoritarian. He already tried to take over the courts.

What’s the over/under before Fox News and other right wing media blame Biden? 2 days?
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I'll take the under on that all day. I'd be surprised if they aren't blaming Biden right now. Everything else they've been blaming him for hasn't been resonating.
 
mikeymikec said:
@K1052 aren't Israel and Russia buddies? I thought the former were offering aid to the latter re Ukraine? I can't remember the specifics.
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Israel has relatively good relations with the Putin regime and has for some time. However at this point Russia's relationship with Iran is likely much more important to them along with Russian interests in derailing a Saudi-US tie up. So between keeping Iran happy and looking after their own interests I could see them making certain choices here.
 
Hell , more than 40 dead from the Hamas rocket and terrorist attack.
Another 160 Palestinians dead from Israeli counter attack.
 
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