Israel warns Hamas after rocket fire

[JEDIYoda]

My take on this is just what I have been saying all along...
At the end of the day when all is said and done, in order for there to be a lasting peace Hamas and Fatah need to be able to keep their end of the agreement and stop all rocket attacks even from extremists!!

That`s the only way there will be peace!!

It is impossible to nengotiate a peace when nobody has absolute control over what happens!!

So what must be done in order fot there to be a lasting peace in this region?
Who is going to reign in these rogue elements?
Until that is done there can be no poeace in this region!
Does anybodt have the best interest of the Palestinians at heart?
Even if fatah and hamas agreed tomorrow to a peace -- who stop the rogue element?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

JERUSALEM – Israel's prime minister issued a stern warning Sunday to Gaza's Hamas rulers after a weekend of rocket attacks from the Palestinian territory on Israeli communities.

Benjamin Netanyahu told his Cabinet that Israel holds the Islamic militant group responsible for the rare flare-up in violence and would retaliate for any attack against its people.

"I see the Hamas as directly responsible for any attack that comes from the Gaza Strip toward the state of Israel and the international community should see it this way as well," Netanyahu said. "Israel reserves the right to defend its citizens and we will continue to use all means to protect the people of Israel and the children of Israel."

The attacks, including a rocket fired Friday at an Israeli city six miles (10 kilometers) from Gaza, caused damage but no injuries. No Palestinian group took responsibility for the attacks.

Israel responded with a series of airstrikes on militant targets in Gaza, including one that killed a senior commander of the Hamas military wing.

Years of rocket fire from Gaza has largely subsided since Israel launched a fierce offensive in the Palestinian territory in December 2008.

The three-week war dramatically reduced the number of rockets hitting Israel, but devastated the densely populated and impoverished Palestinian territory and drew international criticism.

Most of the rocket fire since has been carried out by smaller militant groups that do not necessarily accept Hamas authority. Hamas has largely refrained from launching attacks, apparently because of concerns about Israeli retaliation.Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum accused Netanyahu of trying to "invent pretexts for new attacks" on Hamas.

"Netanyahu and his government bear all the consequences of this escalation," he said.

The violence came shortly after the Arab League authorized Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to enter into direct peace talks with Israel, a notion that Gaza militants abhor. The league endorsed the idea after President Barack Obama warned Abbas in a letter that U.S.-Palestinian relations might suffer if the Palestinian leader refused to resume direct negotiations.

Negotiations between Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, and Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, broke off over the Gaza war. Indirect, U.S.-mediated talks were launched in May.

"I think the international community, at least an important part of it, and of course the United States, expects the Palestinian Authority to put aside all the excuses and arguments and all the conditions and get into direct peace talks," Netanyahu said. "I call on Abu Mazen to take a brave decision to start peace talks with Israel."

Abbas insists he will only negotiate if Israel commits to freezing all settlement construction. Palestinians are wary of resuming talks with Netanyahu without agreeing first on an agenda, a timetable and a framework.

Netanyahu has refused to be pinned down and make concessions ahead of talks. Netanyahu has put in place a partial 10-month settlement freeze in the West Bank that is due to expire in late September.

Israeli President Shimon Peres added his voice Sunday to the growing chorus of calls for direct talks.

"We must begin the direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians as soon as possible. The timing is critical and there is a window of opportunity that cannot be missed," he said after meeting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Cairo.

Mubarak spokesman Suleiman Awwad said direct peace talks must be "serious, continuous with a fixed time limit," calling for an active and impartial U.S. role. He also said Israel should take further measures to ease conditions in the West Bank and lift its blockade of Gaza.

Israel has removed dozens of roadblocks in the West Bank, but hundreds remain. Last month Israel eased its blockade of Gaza by allowing in consumer goods, while maintaining restrictions on building materials, enforcing a sea blockade to keep weapons out of Gaza and banning most exports.

 

[Zebo]

That`s the only way there will be peace!!

LOL Peace will come when all Jews are dead and gone. Well, until they find Christians to harass, or gay people, or women, or Shi'a, those not quite Muslim enough... ad infinitum

Try - Friday Sermon in Gaza: Muslims Should Wage Jihad to Liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque from the Filth of the Jews, the Brothers of Apes and Pigs
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2555.htm

 

[Sinsear]

Dead palestinians = victory for the world

 

[hal2kilo]

Dead palestinians = victory for the world

Tap, tap, tap

 

[theeedude]

So Israel is holding Hamas responsible for acts by groups that don't accept Hamas' authority, while at the same time working to diminish Hamas' ability to govern?

 

[Lemon law]

Since Hamas is not included in the peace talks, how is that a blackmark on Abbas and the PLO in the West Bank who clearly did not do it?

But plenty of extremists acting rotten on all sides, we are searching for moderates on both sides who can forge a just peace remember.

Extremist idiots are too abundant. Can any maggot love an Israeli settler party?

 

[Freshgeardude]

So Israel is holding Hamas responsible for acts by groups that don't accept Hamas' authority, while at the same time working to diminish Hamas' ability to govern?

it was a military grade rocket. No group claimed responsibility. It was after the Arab League endorsed direct negotiations.


Hamas, in its charter, does not recognize the israeli state and calls for the killing of every jew in the "occupation".

Hamas has vowed for revenge.


Even if hamas didnt fire the rocket, they most definitely wanted it to happen

 

[khon]

It's been clear for some time now that Israel doesn't actually want peace. They like the status quo better, where they can keep building new settlements.

This is just another excuse.

The attacks, including a rocket fired Friday at an Israeli city six miles (10 kilometers) from Gaza, caused damage but no injuries

If you actually want peace you don't jump on every little excuse to avoid it, like an attack that didn't even hit anyone.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So Israel is holding Hamas responsible for acts by groups that don't accept Hamas' authority, while at the same time working to diminish Hamas' ability to govern?

Hamas runs Gaza. Nothing goes in/out without them knowing about it and getting their cut.

They want to try and asolve themselves of responsibility of rockets being launched - however, they know who has such rockets.

A rocket of that size also dos not get assembled and launched on the spur of the moment. Hamas spy/sinformers/etc within Gaza would easily be able to alert the proper people when such a launch was being planned.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's been clear for some time now that Israel doesn't actually want peace. They like the status quo better, where they can keep building new settlements.

This is just another excuse.

The attacks, including a rocket fired Friday at an Israeli city six miles (10 kilometers) from Gaza, caused damage but no injuries

If you actually want peace you don't jump on every little excuse to avoid it, like an attack that didn't even hit anyone.

So you feel that Israel should wait for an attack that actually does damage before responding.

Like what happened in '48 or '73.

Or Munich, shopping malls, etc.

 

[khon]

So you feel that Israel should wait for an attack that actually does damage before responding.

Like what happened in '48 or '73.

Or Munich, shopping malls, etc.

You really want to do a body count ? Because that one is decidedly in Israels favor.

If not then maybe we can get back to looking for peace. And yes peace would require Israel to hold back a little.

 

[Zebo]

Since Hamas is not included in the peace talks, how is that a blackmark on Abbas and the PLO in the West Bank who clearly did not do it?

But plenty of extremists acting rotten on all sides, we are searching for moderates on both sides who can forge a just peace remember.

Extremist idiots are too abundant. Can any maggot love an Israeli settler party?

They are entitled to Judea and Samaria... Historically thousands of years, re-bought it from Turkish landlords and Mandate gave it to them. UN doesn't have any right to take it.

But the primary reason is might makes right. Might, through UN, that says they arnt entitled to Judea and Samaria but they say otherwise. Who wins? who knows.

 

[dahunan]

"I see the Hamas as directly responsible for any attack that comes from the Gaza Strip toward the state of Israel and the international community should see it this way as well," Netanyahu said. "Israel reserves the right to defend its citizens and we will continue to use all means to protect the people of Israel and the children of Israel."

The attacks, including a rocket fired Friday at an Israeli city six miles (10 kilometers) from Gaza, caused damage but no injuries. No Palestinian group took responsibility for the attacks.

Israel responded with a series of airstrikes on militant targets in Gaza, including one that killed a senior commander of the Hamas military wing.

Who fired the little rocket and how did Israel decide who it was and that they could go on a killing spree if they had no 100% proof who fired it?

Maybe the Mossad fired it .. it didn't hurt anyone.

 

[Jhhnn]

Standard Israeli doublespeak. By refusing to issue a permanent settlement ban, they indicate that they intend to do more of it, obviously. If they didn't, then a settlement ban wouldn't be a problem or an issue.

If the Israelis actually want peace, they'll have to make territorial concessions to get it. A viable palestinian state simply can't exist w/o that. But they won't even take the first step of disavowing taking more.

Netanyahu calls on Abu Mazen to be brave... how about you, Benji? Step up, make it clear to the Settler faction that their aspirations preclude peace by showing your sincerity, taking the first step yourself...

Not likely, given that the temporary partial kinda settlement freeze wasn't intended to do more than get the Obama Admin off his back until closer to the US election, when the Israelis can exert more power by meddling in our political processes, as usual...

 

[dahunan]

Standard Israeli doublespeak. By refusing to issue a permanent settlement ban, they indicate that they intend to do more of it, obviously. If they didn't, then a settlement ban wouldn't be a problem or an issue.

If the Israelis actually want peace, they'll have to make territorial concessions to get it. A viable palestinian state simply can't exist w/o that. But they won't even take the first step of disavowing taking more.

Netanyahu calls on Abu Mazen to be brave... how about you, Benji? Step up, make it clear to the Settler faction that their aspirations preclude peace by showing your sincerity, taking the first step yourself...

Not likely, given that the temporary partial kinda settlement freeze wasn't intended to do more than get the Obama Admin off his back until closer to the US election, when the Israelis can exert more power by meddling in our political processes, as usual...

and they can sit back and blame the other side with their might makes right mantra... Gods Chosen will never stop subjugating others to their needs or desires.. they are Gods Chosen

 

[Lemon law]

A really illogical Statement FGD, how can you say, "Even if hamas didnt fire the rocket, they most definitely wanted it to happen.?"

If we want to assume that Hamas has more rockets, why should we assume Hamas decided to fire only one and only one Rocket at a major population center in a whole year???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

FGD, its quite clear when you are totally intellectually incapable of walking even .001 inches in Palestinians shoes, its kinda absurd for you to claim you understand their thinking.

 

[Freshgeardude]

A really illogical Statement FGD, how can you say, "Even if hamas didnt fire the rocket, they most definitely wanted it to happen.?"

If we want to assume that Hamas has more rockets, why should we assume Hamas decided to fire only one and only one Rocket at a major population center in a whole year???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

FGD, its quite clear when you are totally intellectually incapable of walking even .001 inches in Palestinians shoes, its kinda absurd for you to claim you understand their thinking.

reading comprehension fail.

I said even if hamas didnt fire it, they wanted it to happen regardless. that is why they havent stopped smuggling of weapons, arrested hundreds in these radical groups, and stop missile fire into israel.

 

[Freshgeardude]

It's been clear for some time now that Israel doesn't actually want peace. They like the status quo better, where they can keep building new settlements.

This is just another excuse.



If you actually want peace you don't jump on every little excuse to avoid it, like an attack that didn't even hit anyone.

If I shoot 100 bullets at you and all but 1 hits, is it ok that I missed 99 times?

Fuck no.

First of all, just because there are no injuries, doesnt mean there isnt thousands of dollars worth of damages, emotional trauma etc.

The mere fact that israel isnt carpet bombing Gaza is remorse enough.

I'd like to see the US stand one missile on american soil from mexico or canada. those countries would get rolled over if they shot just ONE.


And even if Mexican cartels fired missiles, and the mexican government didnt find and arrest them, they would be seen as complacent.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Standard Israeli doublespeak. By refusing to issue a permanent settlement ban, they indicate that they intend to do more of it, obviously. If they didn't, then a settlement ban wouldn't be a problem or an issue.

If the Israelis actually want peace, they'll have to make territorial concessions to get it. A viable palestinian state simply can't exist w/o that. But they won't even take the first step of disavowing taking more.

Netanyahu calls on Abu Mazen to be brave... how about you, Benji? Step up, make it clear to the Settler faction that their aspirations preclude peace by showing your sincerity, taking the first step yourself...

Not likely, given that the temporary partial kinda settlement freeze wasn't intended to do more than get the Obama Admin off his back until closer to the US election, when the Israelis can exert more power by meddling in our political processes, as usual...

No, the settlement freeze was not in any way a gesture that they will stop because they want to. You need to get your facts straight.

The settlement freeze was all a political move. It was to show the world that israel is out on a limb to start the negotiations. Israel has stated there would not be an extension from the very begining if abbas didnt come to the table.

If abbas comes to the table, i am pretty sure the first thing they will discuss is a settlement extension.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, the settlement freeze was not in any way a gesture that they will stop because they want to. You need to get your facts straight.

The settlement freeze was all a political move. It was to show the world that israel is out on a limb to start the negotiations. Israel has stated there would not be an extension from the very begining if abbas didnt come to the table.

If abbas comes to the table, i am pretty sure the first thing they will discuss is a settlement extension.

I'm terribly sorry, but that pseudo-reasoning is entirely circular.

If Israel wishes to stop the expansion of settlements, they can do so. If not, they reveal their true intentions, which don't include peace, or a viable palestinian state, at all. It's the plain truth.

Netanyahu wants to deal the usual game of 3 card Monty, the one where Israel wins, always. Abbas won't play, which is the only smart thing he can do.

 

[Lemon law]

I'm terribly sorry, but that pseudo-reasoning is entirely circular.

If Israel wishes to stop the expansion of settlements, they can do so. If not, they reveal their true intentions, which don't include peace, or a viable palestinian state, at all. It's the plain truth.

Netanyahu wants to deal the usual game of 3 card Monty, the one where Israel wins, always. Abbas won't play, which is the only smart thing he can do.

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I am not to sure if you are right Jhhnn, you may be totally correct that Netanyuhu wants to continue his usual game of 3 card monty, but if Abbas engages in direct talks again, and if Netanyuhu tries to play his usual game of three card monty again, Israel may find that goes over like a lead balloon.

There is always a limit on how many times anyone can try the same old shit before it no longer flies.

Israel may not yet know it, but they have put themselves on world probation, and like Lindsey Lothan, the time may have to come when to the larger world administers Israel a reality based dopeslap.

It may be the only thing Lohan, Israel, and settler parties understand.

But the other thing to point out Jhhnn, is that you are probably correct, given the Netanyuhu political base, its impossible for Netanyugu to be a true peace partner and survive politically.

And as we all know, when we don't know the correct answer, we baffle em with bullshit.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Wow, the stupidity and hypocrisy in here and similar threads is shocking.

If it was your country under such attacks it would respond with the same or more force then what Israel has used. Israel should be applauded for such restraint when they could march in and crush the terrorists but chose not to out of concern for innocents being killed, this includes cast lead which they could have (and should have) seen to the end.

To tell me otherwise is to declare yourself a liar or a traitor to your country. There is no argument on this, just lies.

"Oh but they didn't kill anyone", but not for lack of effort or intent. "Oh but the kill score is too high in Israels favor", this is a sick way to measure how a country should react. "Israel doesn't want peace", maybe but at least they are willing to talk and we can see if they are full of BS. "They killed innocents so they must be out to murder them all!", you take your army and fight the battles Israel is fighting and tell me how that goes for you.

For a last note, I don't like Israel (only a few steps from being like Saudi Arabia) but you can live with them or along side them provided you're not trying to kill them (eg, they have nukes but none of their neighbors are glowing in the dark or are even worried about it). I think Israel should have been in a low populated area of Africa but it's too late for that now. Israel isn't giving up Jerusalem or strategic land used by invading armies or terrorist arabs in the past (eg, key land that can cut off roads) so get over it. The day the arabs stop the terrorism and go Mahatma Gandhi on Israel's ass is the day I wave a palestinian flag, but not a second sooner.

 

[hydroponik]

What people are afraid of bringing up is the religious aspect of this "war". In Islam, they will never accept peace with jews, this will just be a ceasefire until they can get strong enough to fight again.

 

[Jhhnn]

What people are afraid of bringing up is the religious aspect of this "war". In Islam, they will never accept peace with jews, this will just be a ceasefire until they can get strong enough to fight again.

Your understanding of history is apparently pretty thin. When Spain's Moorish rulers were overwhelmed by their Christian adversaries, Spanish jews were offered a choice in 1492- convert, leave, or die. Most fled, to Muslim N Africa and the Ottoman Empire, where they were welcomed and lived in relative peace until the British Mandate over Palestine allowed for the emigration of European jews to that area. After Jewish militias terrorized the christian and islamic residents of Palestine, they fled the violence, and were not allowed to return after the foundation of Israel. This set muslim populations against their jewish countrymen, resulting in Jews leaving their homes of hundreds of years for Israel. It suited Israeli purposes just fine. They believed strongly in the idea of population migration, voluntary or otherwise. There is even evidence to suggest that Israel employed agent provocateurs to inflame sentiment against Iraqi jews, for example.

Both Jews and muslims unsuccessfully defended Jerusalem against the crusaders centuries earlier, and were massacred side by side for their efforts...

Prior to the modern invention of Zionism, Jews were an integral part of the culture of Muslim lands- they were "People of the Book", the Old Testament, and weren't hated other than sporadically...

 

[dahunan]

Wow, the stupidity and hypocrisy in here and similar threads is shocking.

If it was your country under such attacks it would respond with the same or more force then what Israel has used. Israel should be applauded for such restraint when they could march in and crush the terrorists but chose not to out of concern for innocents being killed, this includes cast lead which they could have (and should have) seen to the end.

To tell me otherwise is to declare yourself a liar or a traitor to your country. There is no argument on this, just lies.

"Oh but they didn't kill anyone", but not for lack of effort or intent. "Oh but the kill score is too high in Israels favor", this is a sick way to measure how a country should react. "Israel doesn't want peace", maybe but at least they are willing to talk and we can see if they are full of BS. "They killed innocents so they must be out to murder them all!", you take your army and fight the battles Israel is fighting and tell me how that goes for you.

For a last note, I don't like Israel (only a few steps from being like Saudi Arabia) but you can live with them or along side them provided you're not trying to kill them (eg, they have nukes but none of their neighbors are glowing in the dark or are even worried about it). I think Israel should have been in a low populated area of Africa but it's too late for that now. Israel isn't giving up Jerusalem or strategic land used by invading armies or terrorist arabs in the past (eg, key land that can cut off roads) so get over it. The day the arabs stop the terrorism and go Mahatma Gandhi on Israel's ass is the day I wave a palestinian flag, but not a second sooner.

LMAO.. you act like you have never heard of ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS.. hahahahhaahhahaahhaahhaah

their land.. hahahahah yes.. Israel has never grown since inception..