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Israel MAY be ready to endorse a two State solution

Lemon law

Lemon law

Lifer
An opportunity is presented as the newly minted and very conservative prime minister of Israel
meet, some noises about a possible two state solution are being bandied about.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...israel_palestinians_us

Somewhat a sea change for Netanyuhu, but maybe only something a Israeli conservative could accomplish.

As the link points out, its questionable that Israel is willing to make the concessions needed to make it workable, but the present 60 year statemate is not workable either.

I am willing to be an optimist, and also prepared to be disappointed again.

Time will tell how willing all the various parties are to make some sort of new step forward. And how
strongly others will resist.
 
promising the potential of doing something has always seemed (to me at least) to be his favorite method of accomplishing nothing for as long as possible.
 
Hope this isn't just more Netanyuhu delay tactics. Israel has been talking about the possibility of endorsing this forever - the fact is, they are just fine with the status quo.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
An opportunity is presented as the newly minted and very conservative prime minister of Israel
meet, some noises about a possible two state solution are being bandied about.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...israel_palestinians_us

Somewhat a sea change for Netanyuhu, but maybe only something a Israeli conservative could accomplish.

As the link points out, its questionable that Israel is willing to make the concessions needed to make it workable, but the present 60 year statemate is not workable either.

I am willing to be an optimist, and also prepared to be disappointed again.

Time will tell how willing all the various parties are to make some sort of new step forward. And how
strongly others will resist.
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Same here.

(sigh)

It may take a thousand years, but one should never lose hope.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It takes two to tango. Even if Israel endorses such a solution it's unlikely that the Palestinian's handlers will support it.
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exactly
 
If Netanyahu does formally endorse a two state solution, there will be a lot of pressure inside of Israel not to make the real concessions it requires to make it a workable reality, but there were be some real pressures brought to bear by the international community to force those concessions.

After being disappointed by the Oslo process and subsequent events thereafter, the Israeli danger is that the international community will finally get fed up enough to impose binding third party arbitration. IMHO, what is going to be ultimately required to solve the problem.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If Netanyahu does formally endorse a two state solution, there will be a lot of pressure inside of Israel not to make the real concessions it requires to make it a workable reality, but there were be some real pressures brought to bear by the international community to force those concessions.

After being disappointed by the Oslo process and subsequent events thereafter, the Israeli danger is that the international community will finally get fed up enough to impose binding third party arbitration. IMHO, what is going to be ultimately required to solve the problem.
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you live for binding 3rd party arbitration..lol
Will never happen.
 
I think there is a good chance the West Bank will become the Palestinian state as long as Obama remains popular in the US and it looks like he will be re-elected.
I believe both sides were ready to make the committment towards the end of the Bush administration, but the Palestinians were waiting for Bush to leave office, since he had seriously alienated the West Bank population.
 
I say we give the Palestinians almost everything they want, and when they go back on their word and start killing Israeli's again, we confiscate the property of an apologist in this country and give the family of the victim their house and assets. Keep doing this until Israel no longer exists, then nuke the whole region from orbit.

But seriously, I don't think there is any chance for peace in this area any time soon without one side wiping out the other. We can all smoke joints and sing for peace, but it simply isn't going to happen.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
yeah just let em 99% more of the land, fair deal
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Yea, just like how everyone steals land and housing in the US when they buy property.
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Except most of the land Israel controls wasn't purchased, and much of it was taken by force. Not that I expect such facts to sway your opinion in any way.
 
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
yeah just let em 99% more of the land, fair deal
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Yea, just like how everyone steals land and housing in the US when they buy property.
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Except most of the land Israel controls wasn't purchased, and much of it was taken by force. Not that I expect such facts to sway your opinion in any way.
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From whom was it taken by force - not the Palestinians

 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
yeah just let em 99% more of the land, fair deal
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Yea, just like how everyone steals land and housing in the US when they buy property.
Click to expand...
Except most of the land Israel controls wasn't purchased, and much of it was taken by force. Not that I expect such facts to sway your opinion in any way.
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From whom was it taken by force - not the Palestinians
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Martians ?
 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
yeah just let em 99% more of the land, fair deal
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Yea, just like how everyone steals land and housing in the US when they buy property.
Click to expand...
Except most of the land Israel controls wasn't purchased, and much of it was taken by force. Not that I expect such facts to sway your opinion in any way.
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From whom was it taken by force - not the Palestinians
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Did you get this crap from some Evangelical/Zionist pamphlet or something?
 
For centuries the world tried to tell the Jews they are worthless assholes. Now they've taken everything they learned so well and created a prodigy disciple in the form of the Palestinians.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
yeah just let em 99% more of the land, fair deal
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Yea, just like how everyone steals land and housing in the US when they buy property.
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Except most of the land Israel controls wasn't purchased, and much of it was taken by force. Not that I expect such facts to sway your opinion in any way.
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From whom was it taken by force - not the Palestinians
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Did you get this crap from some Evangelical/Zionist pamphlet or something?
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How about the real world.

Who controlled the West bank after '48 until the Israelis controlled it?
When did Israel get control?
Why was control obtained?

 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If Netanyahu does formally endorse a two state solution, there will be a lot of pressure inside of Israel not to make the real concessions it requires to make it a workable reality, but there were be some real pressures brought to bear by the international community to force those concessions.
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The "real concessions it requires", as the Palestinians see it, is for all Jews in the region to be forcefully removed/killed. What would you suggest the middle ground be?
 
To start out with, QuantumPion distorts reality with the first part of the statement of, "The "real concessions it requires", as the Palestinians see it, is for all Jews in the region to be forcefully removed/killed."

And what many argue for is for Israel to go back to its pre-1967 borders. rr that one power sharing state be set up, in which jews and Palestinians have actually equal rights and the right of return.

And in fact, Israel has no legal basis to claim ownership of territories it expanded into post the 1967 war.

In short there are many future options, to say that death to all jews is the 100% consensus choice of ALL non Israeli is nothing but a shameful distortion, and the entity that is grossly unfair and unsustainable is the present state of Israel. What may end up
workable terms for a future one or two state solution are too numerous to list.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
To start out with, QuantumPion distorts reality with the first part of the statement of, "The "real concessions it requires", as the Palestinians see it, is for all Jews in the region to be forcefully removed/killed."

And what many argue for is for Israel to go back to its pre-1967 borders. rr that one power sharing state be set up, in which jews and Palestinians have actually equal rights and the right of return.

And in fact, Israel has no legal basis to claim ownership of territories it expanded into post the 1967 war.

In short there are many future options, to say that death to all jews is the 100% consensus choice of ALL non Israeli is nothing but a shameful distortion, and the entity that is grossly unfair and unsustainable is the present state of Israel. What may end up
workable terms for a future one or two state solution are too numerous to list.
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I admit, the "death of all Jews" is probably not the majority opinion held by Palestinians. However, the fact remains that a two-state solution is unlikely to happen in the near future since a majority of the Muslims are simply unwilling to officially recognize the state of Israel, which is one of the conditions of a two-state solution.

As far as the 1967 territories go...what legal basis do you think Israel needs to hold territory conquered in a defensive war? I suppose your assertion is correct that they do not have a "legal" basis, they have a sovereign one. What country on the face of the planet has a "legal" basis for their existence?
 
The '67 war boundaries is used by the Arab nations/world because that is the only conflict that they can pretend to act as the injured party.

In all the others, the Arabs clearly attacked first and rolled into Israeli territory. Yet the UN was unwilling to condemn those incursions.

Egypt was given back the Sinai (lost in earlier battles) in exchange for peace.
Jordan released official control of the West Bank (peace and Palestinian headaches).
Golan Heights were lost by Syria in conflict.
 
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