israel levels an entire city within an hour

[Raizinman]

Israel announced a humanitarian cease fire that is supposed to start at 10:00 am this Monday and run until 5:00 pm Monday in Gaza.

The IDF said as it has previously that it would respond to fire if the cease-fire is violated.
However, CNN reported about 90 minutes ago that a senior Hamas spokesman told Al-Aqsa TV that Hamas has not agreed to the cease fire.

This would be the eighth time Hamas has refused a cease fire unless it included complete Israeli withdrawal from all of Gaza and the complete and unrestricted opening of Gaza's borders with Egypt and Israel.

Any bets on how quick and who will violate the cease fire first?

 

[moonbogg]

Damn. Kaboooom!

 

[norseamd]

Israel announced a humanitarian cease fire that is supposed to start at 10:00 am this Monday and run until 5:00 pm Monday in Gaza. The IDF said as it has previously that it would respond to fire if the cease-fire is violated. However, CNN reported about 90 minutes ago that a senior Hamas spokesman told Al-Aqsa TV that Hamas has not agreed to the cease fire. This would be the eighth time Hamas has refused a cease fire unless it included complete Israeli withdrawal from all of Gaza and the complete and unrestricted opening of Gaza's borders with Egypt and Israel. Any bets on how quick and who will violate the cease fire first?

There is no cease-fire for Hamas to break just because the Israelites decided to say so.

This is class A hypocrisy.

 

[cyberserf]

Israel is indiscriminately killing men, women and children in Gaza and there is no talk of sanctions or calling them terrorists. absolutely ridiculous.

 

[cabri]

Israel is indiscriminately killing men, women and children in Gaza and there is no talk of sanctions or calling them terrorists. absolutely ridiculous.

Plenty of people here call them terrorists and support Hamas launching rockets into population areas, shooting RPGs at school busses, targeting nuclear plants and commercial airports.

Both sides are not meeting the silk gloves test.

If you want/allow the gloves to come off, neither side should be holding back nor complain about the results

 

[cyberserf]

Hamas is not leveling entire towns. also the US media is not showing what really is going on there.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/isra...e-begins-1407231543?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

 

[Phynaz]

Israel is indiscriminately killing men, women and children in Gaza and there is no talk of sanctions or calling them terrorists. absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think you know the meaning of indiscriminate.

 

[emperus]

I don't think you know the meaning of indiscriminate.

This meaning..

in·dis·crim·i·nate

adjective \ˌin-dis-ˈkrim-nət, -ˈkri-mə-\
: affecting or harming many people or things in a careless or unfair way
: not careful in making choices

As in, trying to kill someone on a motorcycle with mortar fire outside a UN school/shelter thereby killing people in the shelter? Or the shelling of a Beach where little kids were playing, killing the little kids?

Seems like indiscriminate is spot on.

 

[Raizinman]

US President Barack Obama signed yesterday a congressional bill that the United States will provide an additional $225 million to Tel Aviv to improve its Iron Dome anti-missile system.

The money would be in addition to the $351 million that’s already under discussion for Iron Dome in fiscal 2015. It would bring total funding to $576 million, compared with the $176 million requested by the Pentagon for the year that begins on October 1.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of US aid since WWII. Please make sure to pay your taxes on time. Israel needs your money.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Imagine the US response if the drug cartels were voted into power in Mexico and started firing rockets into San Diego.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hamas is not leveling entire towns. also the US media is not showing what really is going on there.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/israe...LEFTTopStories

So lets see what is Hamas doing.....every time a Palestinian is killed especially a Palestinian child they are rejoicing, because now they have a huge PR Coup.....

If Hamas truly cared about the Palestinian people they would not be building tunnels under civilian homes and storing munitions and missiles in those homes and schools and hospitals........

Hamas would not be diverting building supplies from the Palestinians.....

If Hamas truly cared they would be working on improving the infrastructure.....you can hardly call building tunnels improving the infrastructure...

You have a very skewered outlook on Hamas......Hamas still calls for the total destruction of Israel.....even after getting rid of Article 10 in their Charter....

 

[Whiskey16]

Plenty of people here call them terrorists and support Hamas launching rockets into population areas, shooting RPGs at school busses, targeting nuclear plants and commercial airports.

uhh, quote one or a few.

Hot and empty air, cabri. Your manufactured balance.

The facts are of many who have been repetively quoted and received infractions for advocating deaths of Palestinians. Do you support such?

 

[PliotronX]

Imagine the US response if the drug cartels were voted into power in Mexico and started firing rockets into San Diego.

The cartels wouldnt want to kill potential customers.

 

[JEDIYoda]

uhh, quote one or a few.

Hot and empty air, cabri. Your manufactured balance.

The facts are of many who have been repetively quoted and received infractions for advocating deaths of Palestinians. Do you support such? <-- first of all you are totally wrong!! I only see infractions given for those who would support the total execution or mass genocide of the Palestinians....Cabri has never done that ever!! Talking about what what would happen if the gloves cam off id not the same thing as advocating the total destruction of the Palestinian people!!

<<Yet somebody like you if you were a mod would probably infraction Cabri for even hinting that might happen if the gloves came off.....which would be totally wrong!

Cabri -- Plenty of people here call them terrorists and support Hamas launching rockets into population areas, shooting RPGs at school busses, targeting nuclear plants and commercial airports.

Both sides are not meeting the silk gloves test.

If you want/allow the gloves to come off, neither side should be holding back nor complain about the results

I don`t see a call for the killing of Palestinians! Where?

Both sides are killing people after all it is a war.....

In fact both sides are killing Palestinains.....
Hamas by their blatant use of tunnels under the homes of Palestinians....
Hamas by storing arms and munitions in those tunnels and homes and hospitals and schools.....

Israel is killing Palestinians by going after the tunnels and arms and munitions and missiles.......

The truth of the matter is if YOU want the gloves to come off there will be more deaths.....

 

[emperus]

Imagine the US response if the drug cartels were voted into power in Mexico and started firing rockets into San Diego.

Do you really think that is a good example?

 

[cabri]

uhh, quote one or a few.

Hot and empty air, cabri. Your manufactured balance.

The facts are of many who have been repetively quoted and received infractions for advocating deaths of Palestinians. Do you support such?

There are multiple members that have supported/justified Hamas for their efforts.

I am not advocating a cleansing of the Palestinians. I am stating that the Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas and Hamas has no concerns about civilian causalities other than the larger the number, the better for Hamas.

I advocate cleaning out the Hamas militant wing from Gaza as a permanent solution so Gaza can rebuild and prosper.

Should a person in Gaza raise a weapon against the IDF, then they also have to accept the responsibility for the reaction.

People here feel that it is OK to be the underdog and not have to worry about actions done by such.

That is every one that is complaining about the actions of the IDF against Gaza.

Israel has the responsibility to its people to defend and retaliate. The same goes with Gaza.

But just because one does not (accept/have responsibility) does not eliminate the right of the other.

And if one wants to stop the fighting; will the other do so?
That becomes the primary question now.

Little steps have to be taken to get results.
Just like in the old days; once the gunfighters were to close; both knew that each would be able to get in a fatal shot.
So they agreed to not shoot and slowly back up; even while keeping the weapons points and cocked incase the other tried a double cross.

And each hopes that there is no rock to trip over and generate an accidental discharge.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Journalists find Hamas rocket launch site and watch hamas fire rockets. It's smack dab in the middle of a dense apartment complex.

 

[Pulsar]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Journalists find Hamas rocket launch site and watch hamas fire rockets. It's smack dab in the middle of a dense apartment complex.

#1 Resident deniers like ABWX will ignore this (if he isn't already re-banned for hate speech)
#2 Resident deniers will say they were forced to fire these rockets because..... Israel keeps attacking
#3 Ad Nauseum.

It doesn't matter. Eventually, Hamas is going to be eradicated. The entire world is essentially stacked against them and they simply continue to poke the bear with a big stick. Israel will continue to advance and eventually will be instantly hitting back the second a rocket is launched.

There will be peace when Hamas stops attacking.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Do you really think that is a good example?

Well we did take some of their land for a song back in the day. Maybe El Paso is better, since it's part of Texas? Or maybe replace drug cartels and Mexico with Native Americans and reservations.

I understand that the Palestinians were wronged in the past, but 95%+ of the world recognizes Israel's right to exist. They aren't going away and they've been given numerous examples over the past ~70 years of why they need to be judicious in defending themselves. Hamas is a group that is labelled as a terrorist organization by a lot of the western world, yet was voted in by Palestinians to govern themselves (and therefore represent their interests on an international stage). Hamas intentionally fires hundreds to thousands of rockets into Israel every year. Israel has developed bunkers and the Iron Dome (at huge expense) to protect themselves, but are they just supposed to let it continue forever? Do you think that a peaceful "talking solution" can be reached when one side's primary goal is a religious-based destruction of the other side?

 

[nageov3t]

US President Barack Obama signed yesterday a congressional bill that the United States will provide an additional $225 million to Tel Aviv to improve its Iron Dome anti-missile system.

The money would be in addition to the $351 million that’s already under discussion for Iron Dome in fiscal 2015. It would bring total funding to $576 million, compared with the $176 million requested by the Pentagon for the year that begins on October 1.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of US aid since WWII. Please make sure to pay your taxes on time. Israel needs your money.

how much of that money is actually going up in smoke, though, versus paid to US defense contractors for R&D, engineering, etc?

I'm sure we're keeping the blueprints for whatever we make Israel just in case the US needs an Iron Dome of its own.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hamas is not leveling entire towns.

They are incapable of it. They would if they could.

Would you like to see them try?

 

[emperus]

#1 Resident deniers like ABWX will ignore this (if he isn't already re-banned for hate speech)
#2 Resident deniers will say they were forced to fire these rockets because..... Israel keeps attacking
#3 Ad Nauseum.

It doesn't matter. Eventually, Hamas is going to be eradicated. The entire world is essentially stacked against them and they simply continue to poke the bear with a big stick. Israel will continue to advance and eventually will be instantly hitting back the second a rocket is launched.

There will be peace when Hamas stops attacking.

Ok, and. They are a resistance fighting against an Overwhelmingly militarized state sponsored by an even moreso Overwhelmingly militarized state (US). The US just gave Israel 250 million more dollars this week for it's weapons. What do you think the Palestinians budget is for weapons?

If you were a Palestinian who wanted to resist Israel, where would you go to fire your rockets? If we as Americans were in that position, would you have an issue with it?

Your argument basically boils down to you don't believe Palestinians have a right to resist or should be resisting.

Furthermore, that is a makeshift tent, with a makeshift rocket inside of it. The minute that rocket is fired, the people who fired it are probably gone by the time Israel bombs it. So, all those people who have died in all those attacks are probably not those people firing rockets and those casualty figures are most likely innocent people.

 

[emperus]

Well we did take some of their land for a song back in the day. Maybe El Paso is better, since it's part of Texas? Or maybe replace drug cartels and Mexico with Native Americans and reservations.

I understand that the Palestinians were wronged in the past, but 95%+ of the world recognizes Israel's right to exist. They aren't going away and they've been given numerous examples over the past ~70 years of why they need to be judicious in defending themselves. Hamas is a group that is labelled as a terrorist organization by a lot of the western world, yet was voted in by Palestinians to govern themselves (and therefore represent their interests on an international stage). Hamas intentionally fires hundreds to thousands of rockets into Israel every year. Israel has developed bunkers and the Iron Dome (at huge expense) to protect themselves, but are they just supposed to let it continue forever? Do you think that a peaceful "talking solution" can be reached when one side's primary goal is a religious-based destruction of the other side?

What is a terrorist organization? How do you define it? I just get tired of this catch all phrase terrorist.

When you talk about religious based destruction of the other side. Which side do you mean?

 

[cabri]

Ok, and. They are a resistance fighting against an Overwhelmingly militarized state sponsored by an even moreso Overwhelmingly militarized state (US). The US just gave Israel 250 million more dollars this week for it's weapons. What do you think the Palestinians budget is for weapons?

If you were a Palestinian who wanted to resist Israel, where would you go to fire your rockets? If we as Americans were in that position, would you have an issue with it?

Your argument basically boils down to you don't believe Palestinians have a right to resist or should be resisting. They have the right to resist. They also should have the expectation that the resistance will generate a retaliation

Furthermore, that is a makeshift tent, with a makeshift rocket inside of it. The minute that rocket is fired, the people who fired it are probably gone by the time Israel bombs it. So, all those people who have died in all those attacks are probably not those people firing rockets and those casualty figures are most likely innocent people. Such fully demonstrates that the militants are not concerned about the welfare of the people that they claim to be defending/protecting/representing - They know that a retaliatory strike will happen against the launching position.

Responses in bold.

Until a launch is done; it is difficult to determine where the rocket comes from.
Are you an advocate of allowing the launches to take place and Israel accept the launch because they shooters may be long gone by that time the retaliatory response happens.?

 

[QuantumPion]

What is a terrorist organization? How do you define it? I just get tired of this catch all phrase terrorist.

No uniforms, no centralized command structure, hides among civilians, uses human shields, intentionally targets civilians, intentionally kills own civilians for propaganda purposes, take your pick.