israel levels an entire city within an hour

[nehalem256]

As soon as you learn what you're talking about, so probably never.

The Japanese instrument of surrender predates the establishment of the UN, which includes Japanese acceptance of the Potsdam Declaration, which grants Japan sovereignty over only Japan's main islands and whatever other islands the Allies determined.

Seriously, why bother embarrassing yourself again?

And in the meanwhile the UN charter was signed. Seems to me the Allies should have set a good example for the rest of the world now doesn't it?

And your argument is really silly anyway.

You seem to be claiming that stealing another countries territory is wrong, even when that country initiated a war of aggression and got its ass beaten. Unless of course you did it a few months before signing the UN charter.

 

[fskimospy]

And in the meanwhile the UN charter was signed. Seems to me the Allies should have set a good example for the rest of the world now doesn't it?

And your argument is really silly anyway.

You seem to be claiming that stealing another countries territory is wrong, even when that country initiated a war of aggression and got its ass beaten. Unless of course you did it a few months before signing the UN charter.

I'm glad we can both agree that this was a valuable history lesson to you, dumbass.

If you aren't smart enough to figure out how to use a calendar I don't know how to help you.

 

[QuantumPion]

I'm glad we can both agree that this was a valuable history lesson to you, dumbass.

If you aren't smart enough to figure out how to use a calendar I don't know how to help you.

This isn't about calendars and dates and charters. Your protest is a red herring. The whole point of the comparison to Japan was to illustrate conceptually the absurdity of your selective enforcement of law on Israel - that you intentionally ignore who started the conflict and pretend that Israel's actions occur in a vacuum.

 

[fskimospy]

This isn't about calendars and dates and charters. Your protest is a red herring. The whole point of the comparison to Japan was to illustrate conceptually the absurdity of your selective enforcement of law on Israel - that you intentionally ignore who started the conflict and pretend that Israel's actions occur in a vacuum.

No, I just want to follow the UN Charter and international law. It's a funny act of projection that you mention selective enforcement when you explicitly want selective enforcement in favor of Israel.

Just come out and admit it. You don't want Israel to have to follow international law. What's so hard about that?

 

[nehalem256]

No, I just want to follow the UN Charter and international law. It's a funny act of projection that you mention selective enforcement when you explicitly want selective enforcement in favor of Israel.

Just come out and admit it. You don't want Israel to have to follow international law. What's so hard about that?

No actually. I think if you initiate a war of aggression you don't get to cry when you get your ass kicked and lose some of your territory.

The whole idea is basically an absurd endorsement of heads I win, tails I don't lose morality. Don't want to lose your land then don't attack other countries.

 

[fskimospy]

No actually. I think if you initiate a war of aggression you don't get to cry when you get your ass kicked and lose some of your territory.

The whole idea is basically an absurd endorsement of heads I win, tails I don't lose morality. Don't want to lose your land then don't attack other countries.

You're welcome to think whatever you want.

 

[QuantumPion]

No, I just want to follow the UN Charter and international law. It's a funny act of projection that you mention selective enforcement when you explicitly want selective enforcement in favor of Israel.

Just come out and admit it. You don't want Israel to have to follow international law. What's so hard about that?

What? You are the one that doesn't want international law to be followed. Stop trying to turn this around on me. You have avoided the question half a dozen times in this thread. Where is the UN sanction against the multiple illegal invasions and attempted genocide of Israel?

 

[fskimospy]

What? You are the one that doesn't want international law to be followed.

More projection. I explicitly want international law to be followed. You keep trying to come up with excuses why it shouldn't be.

Stop trying to turn this around on me. You have avoided the question half a dozen times in this thread. Where is the UN sanction against the multiple illegal invasions and attempted genocide of Israel?

I've avoided this question zero times in this thread, and now you're just flailing. You understand that sanctions are meant to stop ongoing behavior, not punish behavior that happened in the past, right? If crimes were committed in the past and the perpetrators are still alive you should look into referring their case to the ICJ.

EDIT: Additionally, this refers back to my previous point about apologists for these actions. Being against Israel doing it doesn't mean that I'm also not against other people doing it. I am.

 

[Exophase]

once again, the dirty Israeli's forced Hamas to kidnap an Israeli soldier and violate the cease-fire only hours after it went into effect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html

Every time this happens it makes me wonder how much Hamas really has control over these acts of violence in Gaza. When children are systematically (through TV) taught to hurt and kill Israelis indiscriminately at a young age a pretty powerful resolve of hatred will be instilled in at least some of them. How realistic is it to get all of them to cooperate with a ceasefire?

I think Israel should take this into consideration too, and look at for example a major reduction in attacks as a good faith attempt, and not just throw their hands up and shout ceasefire off when the first violation happens.

 

[nehalem256]

You're welcome to think whatever you want.

So you think if you launch a war of aggression against another country and get your ass handed to you, you then get to throw a tantrum when there are consequences for your actions?

Doesn't exactly seem like a way to prevent countries from launching wars of aggression to me.

 

[nehalem256]

Every time this happens it makes me wonder how much Hamas really has control over these acts of violence in Gaza. When children are systematically (through TV) taught to hurt and kill Israelis indiscriminately at a young age a pretty powerful resolve of hatred will be instilled in at least some of them. How realistic is it to get all of them to cooperate with a ceasefire?

I think Israel should take this into consideration too, and look at for example a major reduction in attacks as a good faith attempt, and not just throw their hands up and shout ceasefire off when the first violation happens.

Perhaps Hamas should control what is shown on TV?

 

[Adia]

Hello Everyone,
I'm reading this website from time to time and now I've decided to join in.

I am Israeli, I live in Israel and I served in the Israeli army in a combat unit.
Together with those, I try to be as objective as possible regerding to the conflict.

I am here to try and tell you some truth about what is going on in here,
because the media is full of lies and propagenda.
Again, in the most objective way possible.

I'm not a spokesperson or an official body, just a regular citizen,
So go ahead, ask me whatever you like

 

[fskimospy]

Hello Everyone,
I'm reading this website from time to time and now I've decided to join in.

I am Israeli, I live in Israel and I served in the Israeli army in a combat unit.
Together with those, I try to be as objective as possible regerding to the conflict.

I am here to try and tell you some truth about what is going on in here,
because the media is full of lies and propagenda.
Again, in the most objective way possible.

I'm not a spokesperson or an official body, just a regular citizen,
So go ahead, ask me whatever you like

What are your views on the settlements?

 

[Adia]

What are your views on the settlements?

Well, the settlements subject is not a homogenous subject.
Some of the settlements are being run by extremists who have no real justification to be there, while other towns - which some people count as "settlements" - have different foundations and there is a justification for their exist. Did you know,just to comprehend, that there are Palestinian villages and towns on Israeli lands?

I'd like to ask, what do you think, and what do you know, about what Hamas is doing?

 

[fskimospy]

Well, the settlements subject is not a homogenous subject.
Some of the settlements are being run by extremists who have no real justification to be there, while other towns - which some people count as "settlements" - have different foundations and there is a justification for their exist. Did you know,just to comprehend, that there are Palestinian villages and towns on Israeli lands?

I would say that any settlement on occupied territory has no justification to be there, as they are illegal.

As for Palestinian villages and towns on Israeli lands, they are clearly there because Israel allows them to be there as you guys could toss them out if you felt like it. (as has happened many times in the past)

The violation of international law comes from an occupying power settling people in occupied lands.

I'd like to ask, what do you think, and what do you know, about what Hamas is doing?

Hamas is a terrorist organization that has been periodically attacking Israel for decades now. Currently they are launching significant quantities of rockets at Israel and they are taking advantage of the population density of Gaza to either limit Israeli operations or to make them costly in a political sense.

 

[trenchfoot]

I'm not a spokesperson or an official body, just a regular citizen,
So go ahead, ask me whatever you like

I'd like to know how regular Israelis like yourself feel about how Hamas should be handled. In other words, what is the Israeli solution toward permanently stopping Hamas from fighting their "holy war" against Israel?

 

[Nebor]

"International law" is what we use to justify invading third world countries. First world countries break it all the time without consequence. Much like criminal law in the first world, it's really only for the poors.

 

[Raizinman]

Anybody want to take bets who will break the cease fire first?

The 72-hour humanitarian case fire put in place by the US and UN yesterday and which began at 8:00 am was violated at 10:03 am by a mortar fired from Gaza at Israel, Ha'aretz reported.

About 40 minutes later another mortar was fired at Israel from Gaza and the IDF apprently responded by shelling parts of Gaza as gun battles reportedly eruped in Gaza, as well.

Hamas also has been firing rockets into Israel, but is not yet clear when that rocket fire resumed.

"This is once more that Hamas and terror organizations in Gaza are grossly violating the agreed-upon cease-fire, this time before the U.S. secretary of State and the UN Secretary General," the Prime Minister's Office told Ha'aretz.

 

[fskimospy]

"International law" is what we use to justify invading third world countries. First world countries break it all the time without consequence. Much like criminal law in the first world, it's really only for the poors.

Nah.

International law isn't broken without consequence, it's just that the consequences are much more significant for third world countries.

First world countries use it around the margins of their relationships all the time, and third world countries use it as part of their diplomatic strategy quite frequently. Having spent a good bit of time working in and around the UN I've found most people's understandings of how it works are pretty flawed.

 

[hal2kilo]

"International law" is what we use to justify invading third world countries. First world countries break it all the time without consequence. Much like criminal law in the first world, it's really only for the poors.

I see you live in the world of reality.

 

[KK]

The 72-hour humanitarian case fire put in place by the US and UN yesterday and which began at 8:00 am was violated at 10:03 am by a mortar fired from Gaza at Israel, Ha'aretz reported.

About 40 minutes later another mortar was fired at Israel from Gaza and the IDF apprently responded by shelling parts of Gaza as gun battles reportedly eruped in Gaza, as well.

Hamas also has been firing rockets into Israel, but is not yet clear when that rocket fire resumed.

"This is once more that Hamas and terror organizations in Gaza are grossly violating the agreed-upon cease-fire, this time before the U.S. secretary of State and the UN Secretary General," the Prime Minister's Office told Ha'aretz.

See, the only way that this problem is solved is if one group of people disappear. I'll probably get banned for voicing that opinion as I have been warned prior, but I guess the truth hurts. Nobody likes to say it but it is what it is. These people have nothing to live for so of course they get brain washed into thinking that its their destiny to kill jews. Alittle carpet bombing like what went on in dresden and other german towns would probably do some good over there. I'm sure in this day and age it's not PC to mention but war is hell and you can't get PC in war. Just look at every war after WW2 and the disasters they've been.

You only got a warning for advocating extermination just before, as a courtesy, even though you well deserved an infraction. It seems to have sent you the wrong message. Perhaps this infraction will.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Jaskalas]

I would say that any settlement on occupied territory has no justification to be there, as they are illegal.

You should grant them amnesty, like US illegals. :hmm:

 

[Adia]

I'd like to know how regular Israelis like yourself feel about how Hamas should be handled. In other words, what is the Israeli solution toward permanently stopping Hamas from fighting their "holy war" against Israel?

I can tell you what I think about how Gaza strip should be handled, and not Hamas, because Hamas is all in all a terror organization, and as one theres only one way it should be handled...

The major discussion in Israel nowadays is rehabilitation for demilitarization.
Israel do want to help Gaza rehabiliate (before the operation began - and even during the operation - Israel transfers huge amounts of goods from all varieties into Gaza). That is also the stance I take, the problem is, Hamas and other terrorists use the incoming goods to make rockets, tunnels and bombs, and that's kinda stands in the way.

 

[Jaskalas]

I agree with Adia, Hamas is all that stands in-between the people of Gaza and peace.

 

[nageov3t]

I agree with Adia, Hamas is all that stands in-between the people of Gaza and peace.

pretty much... it would be much easier to talk about a 2-state solution if one of those states wasn't run by a group of people dedicated to the total destruction of the state of Israel.

Hamas needs to either go, or reform/demilitarize and accept the fact that they've lost the war for Israel. short of obtaining a nuclear bomb, there's no amount of suicide bombers they can throw that's going to make the Israeli's pack up and leave. but of course, if they do that then the money stops flowing from Iran (who probably doesn't even care about the Palestinians outside of using Hamas to make life harder for their enemies in Egypt and Israel)