Israel / Lebanon Thread

[JEDIYoda]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

JERUSALEM ? Lebanese militants fired barrages of rockets into northern Israel early Thursday, striking a nursing home and threatening to open a second front for the Jewish state as it pushed forward with its offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Two people were injured, and the rockets on Israel's north raised the specter of renewed hostilities with Hezbollah, just 2 1/2 years after Israel battled the guerrilla group to a 34-day stalemate. Hezbollah started the 2006 war as Israel was battling Palestinian militants in Gaza.

In new Gaza fighting, Israel killed at five people, including four militants, raising the death toll from its 13-day offensive to nearly 700, according to Palestinian medical officials. With roughly half the dead believed to be civilians, international efforts to broker a cease-fire have been gaining steam.

One of the Lebanese rockets went through the roof of a Nahariya retirement home and exploded in the kitchen as about 25 elderly residents were eating breakfast in the adjacent dining hall. One resident suffered a broken leg, another bruises, apparently from slipping on the floor after emergency sprinklers came on.

"The rocket entered through the roof, hurling the water heaters into the air. It went through bedrooms upstairs and then into the kitchen. There was a serious blast," said Henry Carmelli, the home's manager.

A second rocket barrage later struck northern Israel, though no injuries were immediately reported, Israeli radio and television stations reported.

Israel has repeatedly said it was prepared for a possible attack on the north since it launched its bruising campaign against Hamas militants in Gaza on Dec. 27. Israel has mobilized thousands of reserve troops for such a scenario, and leaders have warned Hezbollah of dire consequences if it enters the fighting.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the rocket barrage from Lebanon. A Lebanese government official said that his country was trying to determine who was responsible and that Lebanon is committed to a U.N.-brokered truce that ended the 2006 war.

there is more text at the URL above.....
sorry if you need cliff`s perhaps your too young to be on these forums!!

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This could be the straw that breaks the Camels back so to speak.....
Wonder what the reaction of the world will be?
Wonder what all the israeli haters will say?

Who started this one??


hmmmm

 

[dahunan]

Why are people who disapprove of the "we are civilized and morally superior" Israeli bombing campaign labeled as "Israeli Haters"?? Is that some way for you to discredit everything they say?

How many Lebanese did Israel kill last year?

Why have there been a few days now with no body counts in Gaza - how many have they killed so far.. all guilty.. right? or at least a super high percentage.. and don't start with the "they voted for them" .. How many people voted? Did all who voted vote for them? Stop skewing reality so often

Are these maps really true? I mean.. how much land has been taken from Palestinians
http://whatreallyhappened.com/...l?q=mapstellstory.html

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why are people who disapprove of the "we are civilized and morally superior" Israeli bombing campaign labeled as "Israeli Haters"??

Because he was raised to glorify Israel like a golden calf.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Start your own thread.
I am just commenting on the article......

Nice credible site.......whatreallyhappenned.com...lol

As usual your diatribe is meaningless!!

 

[BrownTown]

Well, hopefully Lebanese military will find those responsible.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Start your own thread.
I am just commenting on the article......

Nice credible site.......whatreallyhappenned.com...lol

As usual your diatribe is meaningless!!

You started all this by deflecting any criticism by calling a criticizer a Hater.. lol.. nice work.. I bet those who disapproved of Napalm, African American Slavery, Japanese Internment camps..etc.. were America Haters.. just like today.. those who disapproved of Abu-Ghraib and Gitmo are called America Haters

Disprove it is the name of the game

How about these Religion Of Doves and Peace quotes
http://whatreallyhappened.com/...CLES/palestinians.html

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Start your own thread.
I am just commenting on the article......

Nice credible site.......whatreallyhappenned.com...lol

As usual your diatribe is meaningless!!

You started all this by deflecting any criticism by calling a criticizer a Hater.. lol.. nice work.. I bet those who disapproved of Napalm, African American Slavery, Japanese Internment camps..etc.. were America Haters.. just like today.. those who disapproved of Abu-Ghraib and Gitmo are called America Haters

Disprove it is the name of the game

How about these Religion Of Doves and Peace quotes
http://whatreallyhappened.com/...CLES/palestinians.html

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969

Some of it is true (like the first quote), some of it was said in past times and is irrelevant today, and some plainly wrong. You can't debate the bloodthirst of Arabs. Just look at Iraq.

The funny thing is that Syria and Jordan probably killed more Palestinians than Israel!

Edit - LOL, I nearly fell into the trap. What on earth does it have to do with the fact that now Lebanon, a sovereign country, is unprovokinged shooting rockets into Israel?

 

[nullzero]

Hopefully Israel can finish the job this time and wipe out Hamas, so they wont have to go back in again. I find it funny how people are trying to defend all the Palestinian people like they are all harmless peace loving people. If Mexico was firing unprovoked rockets over and over each day at U.S. cities you better believe we would retaliate until it stopped.

 

[Zebo]

Imagine that. These international forces were supposed to prevent this, instead, they inevitably shielded terrorists from Israeli attack while ignoring the terrorists? moves to rearm. And rearm they did. Same thing will happen in Gaza should Israel be stupid enough to agree to a seize fire whereby foreign powers move in to oversee Gaza?s borders with Israel and Egypt.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Hopefully Israel can finish the job this time and wipe out Hamas, so they wont have to go back in again. I find it funny how people are trying to defend all the Palestinian people like they are all harmless peace loving people. If Mexico was firing unprovoked rockets over and over each day at U.S. cities you better believe we would retaliate until it stopped.

Unprovoked?

 

[Red Dawn]

I have a question, don't the Born Agains supports the Israelis against the Arabs because they want them to survive so God can slaughter them on Judgment Day?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Start your own thread.
I am just commenting on the article......

Nice credible site.......whatreallyhappenned.com...lol

As usual your diatribe is meaningless!!

You started all this by deflecting any criticism by calling a criticizer a Hater.. lol.. nice work.. I bet those who disapproved of Napalm, African American Slavery, Japanese Internment camps..etc.. were America Haters.. just like today.. those who disapproved of Abu-Ghraib and Gitmo are called America Haters

Disprove it is the name of the game

How about these Religion Of Doves and Peace quotes
http://whatreallyhappened.com/...CLES/palestinians.html

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969

Not PC, but I imagine I'd say some of the similar things if in their shoes. I have referred to various savages from parts of the world as clothed apes, or animals--even worse, some of what humans can do is so despicable it wouldn't even be in a quentin tarantino film. As an elected official I'm not sure I would, but if I've had a family member killed by somebody who bombed a cafe and had his kids being babysat by that jihadist mickey mouse show they had it would be a natural inclination to demonize them like this.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: nullzero
Hopefully Israel can finish the job this time and wipe out Hamas, so they wont have to go back in again. I find it funny how people are trying to defend all the Palestinian people like they are all harmless peace loving people. If Mexico was firing unprovoked rockets over and over each day at U.S. cities you better believe we would retaliate until it stopped.

Unprovoked?

Well lets see we have put up walls and blown up many tunnels coming from mexico. So do they, mexico, have the "right" to send rockets in the US???

 

[Dari]

I wish there was one massive Israel thread not unlike the Sarah Palin thread.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Dari
I wish there was one massive Israel thread not unlike the Sarah Palin thread.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Hopefully Israel can finish the job this time and wipe out Hamas, so they wont have to go back in again. I find it funny how people are trying to defend all the Palestinian people like they are all harmless peace loving people. If Mexico was firing unprovoked rockets over and over each day at U.S. cities you better believe we would retaliate until it stopped.

You can't kill an ideology.

500,000 people marched when Yassin was murdered by the Israelis, you just can't stop that.

Israel is doing the same strategy as we did in Iraq. You can't bomb your way out of this problem. What changed in Iraq was that we recognized that some people are legitimately fighting the US while others are "true Al Qaeda." We engaged those that had a legitimate grievance, worked with them and marginalized the Al Qaeda elements. It helped to bring a lot of stability to that region in just a year or so.

Israel needs to make it's own introspection like we did and pursue an alternative plan because this one simply hasn't been working.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why are people who disapprove of the "we are civilized and morally superior" Israeli bombing campaign labeled as "Israeli Haters"?? Is that some way for you to discredit everything they say?

How many Lebanese did Israel kill last year?

Why have there been a few days now with no body counts in Gaza - how many have they killed so far.. all guilty.. right? or at least a super high percentage.. and don't start with the "they voted for them" .. How many people voted? Did all who voted vote for them? Stop skewing reality so often

Are these maps really true? I mean.. how much land has been taken from Palestinians
http://whatreallyhappened.com/...l?q=mapstellstory.html

Wow; The Palestinians to you are kind of like Obama is to Jpeyton. Maybe you should go fight with them and use woman and children as your shield.

And that website is not a credible source of anything.

 

[Lemon law]

I have to compliment the OP on this post, JEDIYoda, for referring to those firing missiles from Lebanese soil as Lebanese militants rather than blindly assuming Hezbollah. In short, we do not know yet, and the fact is that a wide variety of different groups with different goals are operating in the entire mid-east.

And sadly, on all sides, there is an all too great of a potential for false flag attacks, that may invite retaliation on groups that are entirely innocent. As rocket technology delivers longer ranges, the false flag danger will increase exponentially.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to compliment the OP on this post, JEDIYoda, for referring to those firing missiles from Lebanese soil as Lebanese militants rather than blindly assuming Hezbollah. In short, we do not know yet, and the fact is that a wide variety of different groups with different goals are operating in the entire mid-east.

And sadly, on all sides, there is an all too great of a potential for false flag attacks, that may invite retaliation on groups that are entirely innocent. As rocket technology delivers longer ranges, the false flag danger will increase exponentially.

Yah, it was probably either the KKK or Israel did it to itself.

What a moran.

 

[PokerGuy]

People who are critical of the killing of hundreds of innocents are now "Israel haters"? Any credibility your post had ended right there.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
People who are critical of the killing of hundreds of innocents are now "Israel haters"? Any credibility your post had ended right there.

I would say those who are incapable of criticizing palestine at all (like dahunan) are Israel haters and probably anti-semetic. I would say the same is true of those who are incapable of criticizing palestine.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
People who are critical of the killing of hundreds of innocents are now "Israel haters"? Any credibility your post had ended right there.

I would say those who are incapable of criticizing palestine at all (like dahunan) are Israel haters and probably anti-semetic. I would say the same is true of those who are incapable of criticizing palestine.

In the US, there are far far fewer people who will take an anti-Israel stance than those who will take a pro-Israel stance no matter what.

I see both sides as equally at fault for the situation. They've been doing "an eye for an eye" for so long that both sides are blind and just keep retaliating for what the other side does without ever actually stopping to think of what can be done to actually move in a positive direction. In fact, it's been going on for so long that I doubt there are very many Israeli's or Palestinians that can even begin to objectively look at the situation.

 

[Genx87]

Sounds like the UN buffer zone is working wonderfully.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
People who are critical of the killing of hundreds of innocents are now "Israel haters"? Any credibility your post had ended right there.

I would say those who are incapable of criticizing palestine at all (like dahunan) are Israel haters and probably anti-semetic. I would say the same is true of those who are incapable of criticizing palestine.

I would very much dispute that. The history of the creation of Israel leaves the door open for a lot of harsh criticism that has nothing to do with being an anti-Semite. There is one very defensible position that Jews had no business taking over Palestine, and from that position it becomes very difficult to criticize Palestinians.

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Well, hopefully Lebanese military will find those responsible.

:laugh: