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Israel 'is using chemical ammunition'

The Green Bean

Diamond Member
Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.

Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital.

In a telephone interview, Al Saqqa told Gulf News that operation Summer Rain was not just the code name of a military operation launched by Israel against Gaza since June 26.

"It is a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200," he said.

He said he was not yet sure about the kind of chemical being used because the Israeli Army had bombed the only criminal laboratory in Gaza on the first day of the assault.

Dr Saqqa who has been working in the Al Shifa Hospital for almost 10 years said he had never seen such wounds before.

At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.

I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.

I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.

"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.

"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.

Gulf News contacted the spokesman for the Israeli Army but he was not available for comment

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=13179

seems they are just like those suicide bombs. such is their murderous intent. 400+ civilians killed in revenge.

Cnn showed the face of a child that had been burned by the same chemical that this doctor has accused them of according to Leabanese Doctors.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/perry.tyre/index.html

This is the same story. Only on TV, they mentioned the doctor saying the burns were due to chemicals. The other child (Not shown on website but shown on TV) has his whole face burned and could not open his eyes.
 
Technically speaking, if it is white phospherous, it has its own treaty for its ban. Although that's realy just arguing semantics.
 
Who cares.

This life is a test. God will punish all those who did wrong in the afterlife.


.. land of religion .. comes answers tied to religion.
 
Depleted uranium... please. Once I read that the whole article lost it's credibility. There was a long discussion about DU already in the ball bearing thread.
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Depleted uranium... please. Once I read that the whole article lost it's credibility. There was a long discussion about DU already in the ball bearing thread.

http://news.aol.co.uk/article.adp?id=20060716094809990001
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/060720/2006072004.html
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0607202926164827.htm
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/11/10052824.html

http://news.netscape.com/viewstory/2006...rael+using+chemical+weapons&frame=true
20 July 2006

BRUSSELS ? The Israeli military is using chemical weapons during its bombing of Lebanon, a Belgian-Lebanese professor claimed during a press conference in Brussels on Thursday.

The press conference was organised by the secretary of the Tripoli archbishop, Monsignor Jean Abboud. The Belgian professor of Lebanese origin, Bachir Cham, is the head of a hospital in Lebanon.

"The bodies don't look like they normally do. After an explosion there were no traces of blood loss or subcutaneous haemorrhages [bruises]," Cham said via mobile phone direct from Beirut.

"The hair and sometimes the beard and the moustache remained intact. I found no traces of the pressure wave by the
explosion. The colour of the skin was black like a shoe, but the skin was not carbonised or burnt."

Eight mummy-like bodies were taken to the hospital on Monday and photos taken of the corpses. Two children's bodies showed no indication of wounds resulting from an explosion.

"I have the impression that a poisonous product penetrated the body via the skin. Death follows with almost 100 percent certainty," the professor said.

A heart specialist, Mohammad Farran, said letters had been sent to the UN and the EU drawing their attention to the alleged use of chemical weapons by Israel in Lebanon.

 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: jrenz
Depleted uranium... please. Once I read that the whole article lost it's credibility. There was a long discussion about DU already in the ball bearing thread.

http://news.aol.co.uk/article.adp?id=20060716094809990001
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/060720/2006072004.html
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0607202926164827.htm
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/11/10052824.html

http://news.netscape.com/viewstory/2006...rael+using+chemical+weapons&frame=true
20 July 2006

BRUSSELS ? The Israeli military is using chemical weapons during its bombing of Lebanon, a Belgian-Lebanese professor claimed during a press conference in Brussels on Thursday.

The press conference was organised by the secretary of the Tripoli archbishop, Monsignor Jean Abboud. The Belgian professor of Lebanese origin, Bachir Cham, is the head of a hospital in Lebanon.

"The bodies don't look like they normally do. After an explosion there were no traces of blood loss or subcutaneous haemorrhages [bruises]," Cham said via mobile phone direct from Beirut.

"The hair and sometimes the beard and the moustache remained intact. I found no traces of the pressure wave by the
explosion. The colour of the skin was black like a shoe, but the skin was not carbonised or burnt."

Eight mummy-like bodies were taken to the hospital on Monday and photos taken of the corpses. Two children's bodies showed no indication of wounds resulting from an explosion.

"I have the impression that a poisonous product penetrated the body via the skin. Death follows with almost 100 percent certainty," the professor said.

A heart specialist, Mohammad Farran, said letters had been sent to the UN and the EU drawing their attention to the alleged use of chemical weapons by Israel in Lebanon.

sure a Belgian-Lebanese professor is a reliable source... :disgust:
 
Other than showing there are some crazy nutcases posting stupid stuff on the internet, I'm not sure what's the point of this thread.
 
Lets get some autospies instead of reporters & non medical commentary.

W/ respect to the Gaza, given the track record of their doctors in spouting off information that later is proved to be inaccurate, again, let the actual evidence vs supposition prevail.
 
Well burning phosphorus sticks to everything it lands on and the evidence of its use would be all around the detonation site. If you've never been near a large explosion there's a lot of heat in the blast which also heats up the debris being thrown by the blast. It is very likely that some of that heated debris has been striking people near the blast site inflicting burn wounds. Phosphorus would've produced horrific results. The Lebanese people can blame hezbollah for what is going on right now.
 
By the way for those not getting it. The "Dr." is describing a set of symptoms that would be utterly impossible to be related to depleted uranium. Other than the kinetic effects if it his you at high speed as a large chunk, and some heat effects after it has already through a couple feet of steel, (which certainly wouldn't be happening for the average Lebenese citizen) there is nothing about depleted uranium that could cause sudden death. Any possible effects of depleted uranium at all are clearly invoving a long term basis of months at a minimum if not years. What the Doctor is asserting clearly
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.

Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital.

In a telephone interview, Al Saqqa told Gulf News that operation Summer Rain was not just the code name of a military operation launched by Israel against Gaza since June 26.

"It is a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200," he said.

He said he was not yet sure about the kind of chemical being used because the Israeli Army had bombed the only criminal laboratory in Gaza on the first day of the assault.

Dr Saqqa who has been working in the Al Shifa Hospital for almost 10 years said he had never seen such wounds before.

At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.

I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.

I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.

"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.

"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.

Gulf News contacted the spokesman for the Israeli Army but he was not available for comment

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=13179

seems they are just like those suicide bombs. such is their murderous intent. 400+ civilians killed in revenge.

Cnn showed the face of a child that had been burned by the same chemical that this doctor has accused them of according to Leabanese Doctors.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/perry.tyre/index.html

This is the same story. Only on TV, they mentioned the doctor saying the burns were due to chemicals. The other child (Not shown on website but shown on TV) has his whole face burned and could not open his eyes.


:disgust:
Oh please...
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
seems they are just like those suicide bombs. such is their murderous intent. 400+ civilians killed in revenge.
I'd be more interested and sympathetic if you had something more credible reference than a tin foil beany site.
Cnn showed the face of a child that had been burned by the same chemical that this doctor has accused them of according to Leabanese Doctors.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/perry.tyre/index.html
I read the article. The word, chemical doesn't appear anywhere in it. Wounded innocent civilians are always a tragedy, but your accusations go way beyond that. Once again, either prove it, or stop blowing smoke and inflaming an already bad situation with unfounded extraneous garbage.
 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
I'm waiting for the inevitable "they're using nuclear weapons on innocent civilians" story. Film @11.
That's not going to happen. The radiation will expose the film and ruin the pix. :laugh:
 
pretty much nobody actually follows these "international laws", and when people do its mostly just a gimmick to look nice. Also, Isreal may well have not even signed many of the agreements that make up these "laws". Either way, its pretty hard for any country to claim and sense of moral authority on this issue since they all violate these "laws" to one form or another. Also, it should be noted that since Hezbollah is an NGO it hasn't signed any of these treaties, so to say they have broken "international law" is worthless since htey never signed these laws to begin with.
 
I somehow doubt that. A real forensic examination by international experts would be needed to make that determination. Why don't we give Israel the same benefit of the doubt we gave Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
seems they are just like those suicide bombs. such is their murderous intent. 400+ civilians killed in revenge.
I'd be more interested and sympathetic if you had something more credible reference than a tin foil beany site.
Cnn showed the face of a child that had been burned by the same chemical that this doctor has accused them of according to Leabanese Doctors.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/perry.tyre/index.html
I read the article. The word, chemical doesn't appear anywhere in it. Wounded innocent civilians are always a tragedy, but your accusations go way beyond that. Once again, either prove it, or stop blowing smoke and inflaming an already bad situation with unfounded extraneous garbage.

The article doesn't say it, but the actual footage on CNN showed an interview with the Lebanese Doctor accusing the weapons of containing Phosphor. Yes it's a Lebanese doctor making the claims, but if it was an Israeli doctor accusing Hezbollah, there would be no debate as to whether the claim was true. Just food for thought.

 
Originally posted by: StepUp
The article doesn't say it, but the actual footage on CNN showed an interview with the Lebanese Doctor accusing the weapons of containing Phosphor. Yes it's a Lebanese doctor making the claims, but if it was an Israeli doctor accusing Hezbollah, there would be no debate as to whether the claim was true. Just food for thought.
If that were the case, I'd have the same doubts and be asking the same questions. It's pointless to post such accusations for discussion without decent documentation. Otherwise, all you get is more enflamed, empty rhetoric like your statement that there'd be "if it was an Israeli doctor accusing Hezbollah, there would be no debate as to whether the claim was true."

Your "food for thought" has more empty calories than a happy meal. :roll:
 
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