Israel is pretty racist against Jews with the wrong color skin too

alcoholbob

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The founders of the modern state of Israel were Eastern Europeans aka Ashkenazis. Just because they say Israel is for all Jews doesnt mean they want Sephardis, Asian Jews or Black Jews to integrate or live in their neighborhoods. However the nonwhite Jews make good cannon fodder against Muslims.
 

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The role of Government, and the separation of Church and State, helps alleviate this.

-John
 
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Atreus21

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Just in case you think only muslim arabs israeli citizens get discriminated against, it's quite sickening what Israeli society has become:

http://www.irinnews.org/report/94819/israel-the-tribulations-of-being-an-ethiopian-jew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...opian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/b...gave-ethiopian-jews-birth-control-injections/

But how true is it that Israel "forced" or "coerced" Ethiopian Jews into taking birth control, without even telling them it was birth control? An interesting piece in Haaretz says it isn't very true, and "the more [this] story is repeated, the more warped and distorted it becomes". Haaretz says it is certainly the case, as revealed in an Israeli TV documentary in December, that Israel's immigration authorities are guilty of "insensitivity" and "cultural condescension" towards Ethiopian Jews, and perhaps a "certain level of racism". The article says these African Jews were indeed given Depo-Provera, a birth-control injection that lasts for three months, both in Addis Ababa, as they waited to go to Israel, and also in the absorption centres they first stayed in upon arrival in Israel. But it is not the case – or it certainly has not been proven by anyone – that they were given these injections deceitfully, without their consent, being misled into believing they were just inoculations.

Haaretz says the Ethiopian women were "coaxed" or "strongly convinced" to have the Depo-Provera shot, not forced. The idea that they were given it without their knowledge springs from the testimony of a few women who simply said "they weren't aware the shots were birth control"; that could be down to these individual women's lack of understanding or confusion, says Haaretz, since "the vast majority of the Ethiopian women who received Depo-Provera were aware it was birth control and received it willingly".

As for the claims that Israel is "sterilising" immigrants it doesn't like very much, Haaretz points out that, by definition, an injection whose birth-controlling power lasts only three months is not sterilisation. It also points out that some Ethiopian women continued voluntarily to receive Depo-Provera even once they were settled in Israel, because they "preferred being injected at a clinic rather than having to take pills daily in the presence of other family members who might disapprove of that decision". That is, the injections became culturally convenient for some Ethiopian women in Israel. Haaretz says it is "insulting to these women's intelligence" to suggest they would continue travelling to a clinic in Israel in order to stand in line to be "sterilised", and in truth the drop in the Ethiopian birth rate in Israel that observers fretted over this week is far more likely "attributable to access to birth control that these women wanted".

None of this nuance and very little of the detail of the original Israeli TV exposé made it into the international coverage this week, where instead the story was treated as "some kind of villainous genocidal plot of sterilisation aimed at ethnic and racial cleansing", says Haaretz.
 

JEDIYoda

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Racism: Not an issue!
This is NOT an issue-- your thread title is NOT an issue!

You obviously do not know anything about this highly complicated subject or you would stick your head back where it belongs......instead you showed your ignorance by calling it racism...sad
 

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It is an issue, JediYoda... it isn't racism, but it is Religion.

Left alone, Religion is one of the most intolerant things in the world.

-John
 

Dari

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This is NOT an issue-- your thread title is NOT an issue!

You obviously do not know anything about this highly complicated subject or you would stick your head back where it belongs......instead you showed your ignorance by calling it racism...sad

It is an issue, but not just in Israel. In the larger Middle East people of African descent are looked down upon. There's even a chocolate bar in Lebanon called "******". It's also a miracle that the head of the soccer association in Saudi Arabia is black, replacing a prince. The difference with Israel is that it claims to be a democracy but, considering that many of the Jews there come from Eastern Europe, the racism is rife and extremely ugly.
 

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Everywhere among all people there is a tendency to divide by any standard you want to name into us god guys and those awful others. This is because self hate is a universal disease and we look for somebody, anybody, to dump our self hate on. It is a tremendous issue, one of the most important their is, but it has nothing to do with Israel in particular.
 

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Self hate doesn't even enter the discussion, Moonbeam.

Far better to think about love, and Moonbeams.

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This is NOT an issue-- your thread title is NOT an issue!

You obviously do not know anything about this highly complicated subject or you would stick your head back where it belongs......instead you showed your ignorance by calling it racism...sad

Do us a favor.

Say one single bad thing about Israel.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Do us a favor.

Say one single bad thing about Israel.
why? As an Israeli and a Jew and having family in Israel and friends.......I can tell you that when a single child dies in battle or anytime we all grieve....

Yet that single childs life does not trump the lives of those Israelis living in Israel who just want to be left alone!

You don`t see Hamas putting down their weapons because a Palestinian child dies....
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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That goes both ways. You have no problem killing children if at some point it might save an Israeli live, and its parents and siblings will in turn hate those that killed him/her and all that support it, including you. And as the Israelis have far superior weapons Palestinians will use whatever they can get their hands on, so it will only be a matter of time until an Ebola carrier or a dirty bomb or so gets smuggled into Israel.

If someone kills your kid you want revenge, and you won't be thinking straight about the consequences of your actions anymore. But that's something the Israeli government counts on with their current bombings, they hope it will generate more rockets or (if they are lucky) even some suicide bombers again. After all, that will generate worldwide support for more attacks on Gaza and more landtheft (Israel needs 'lebensraum', doesn't it?)
 

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It is not just black Africans that many Israelis look down on.......

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, former leader of Shas Party in the Knesset on the Gentiles' role:

In an October 2010 sermon, Yosef stated that "The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews". He said that Gentiles served a divine purpose: "Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created."[73]
He was the Sephardi Chief Rabbi in Israel.
 

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You don`t see Hamas putting down their weapons because a Palestinian child dies....

Why would you expect them to?

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“Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make peace with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country.”
David Ben Gurion (Israel’s first Prime Minister, 1956)
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...hat-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

There is a list of words and phrases to be used and a list of those to be avoided. Schmaltz is at a premium: "The best way, the only way, to achieve lasting peace is to achieve mutual respect." Above all, Israel's desire for peace with the Palestinians should be emphasised at all times because this what Americans overwhelmingly want to happen. But any pressure on Israel to actually make peace can be reduced by saying "one step at a time, one day at a time", which will be accepted as "a commonsense approach to the land-for-peace equation".

Dr Luntz cites as an example of an "effective Israeli sound bite" one which reads: "I particularly want to reach out to Palestinian mothers who have lost their children. No parent should have to bury their child."

The study admits that the Israeli government does not really want a two-state solution, but says this should be masked because 78 per cent of Americans do. Hopes for the economic betterment of Palestinians should be emphasised.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is quoted with approval for saying that it is "time for someone to ask Hamas: what exactly are YOU doing to bring prosperity to your people". The hypocrisy of this beggars belief: it is the seven-year-old Israeli economic siege that has reduced the Gaza to poverty and misery.
 

Bitek

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Has anyone ever lived around one of the orthodox communities in the US? They were the most intolerant, unfriendly and insular people I've met anywhere I've ever lived.

It was very clear there was an us and them, didn't matter what color you were, you were not them and they wanted nothing to do with you. Didn't really care for fellow Americans, the US is just a convenient place to support Israel from.

There are more faces to Israel than the secular East America version we are presented with.