it woud be odd to have a organized group in Mexico lobbying bombs and kidnapping people in Texas and the US woud have to use force "in proportion" to the terorrist actions. what, do you go tit-for-tat forever? in proportion of course.
Israel plays dirty, they always have. By creating this veritable minefield they may be increasing chances of security in the short term, but they are guaranteeing that the conflict will continue in the future.
O.K.
So Israel bombs approach path to Isrel to keep out the unwanted. It's now obvious why they aren't going to help.
Of course the BEST that they could do (if they wanted to) is to give a four or MAYBE six digit grid of where they thought that the bomb struck, which in demining is well-nigh worthless to demining/UXO removal except to mark what several square miles can't be entered with total safety.
If I was Israel, I would claim 20 million bombs were dropped over virtually the entire twenty miles near the Lebanese border. That would at least APPEAR to being cooperative without helping out in the least. It would also slow UXO removal efforts to a crawl. The best part is that they get the benefit of all those bombs without using a single extra.
Hell! Maybe the U.S. could CLAIM that we will be mining the Southern Land Border to keep out illegals and terrorists. We could get the same benefit without using any REAL mines
So Israel bombs approach path to Isrel to keep out the unwanted. It's now obvious why they aren't going to help.
Of course the BEST that they could do (if they wanted to) is to give a four or MAYBE six digit grid of where they thought that the bomb struck, which in demining is well-nigh worthless to demining/UXO removal except to mark what several square miles can't be entered with total safety.
If I was Israel, I would claim 20 million bombs were dropped over virtually the entire twenty miles near the Lebanese border. That would at least APPEAR to being cooperative without helping out in the least. It would also slow UXO removal efforts to a crawl. The best part is that they get the benefit of all those bombs without using a single extra.
Hell! Maybe the U.S. could CLAIM that we will be mining the Southern Land Border to keep out illegals and terrorists. We could get the same benefit without using any REAL mines
This thread proves conservatives are goddamn animals. This is refreshing though, we have that old fashioned "we're conservatives that believe in realpolitik which just means we're short sighted barbarians that go where the winds of violence take us".
Nebor
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We just don't give a flying fuck about Lebanese or Palestinians. They actively and passively support terrorism in their own backyard and abroad. Israel had the right idea, kill EVERYONE and make that area uninhabitable so that future rocket attacks can't occur.
I wish no one was helping them disarm the bomblets.
Nebor
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Ozoned
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"A reasonable person can arrive at only one conclusion"..............
0roo0roo
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when lebanon forces groups like hezbollah to disarm then they can complain. until then theres no reason to answer their requests for anything.
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
By the way, the area is, in fact, 38km², which is also 38,000,000m², written for the Dr. Evil "MILLION" effect.
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
"A reasonable person can arrive at only one conclusion"..............
Thanks for pointing that out, it was not my aim at all to confuse anyone.
But could it possibly be that I made a human error during converting the units without noticing??
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The Daily Star article I posted in the OP says 38,000,000 square meters ==>(divide by 10 to the 6th power) ===> 38 square kilometer. I was tired when I was writing the OP and completely forgot that I am converting from square meters to square Kilometers and not meters to Kilometers so I divided by 1000 (1KM = 1000 m) instead.
I did change the OP.
But honestly, that wouldn't even qualify as exaggeration, also given that Nebor (for the first time on AT posting something useful that wasn't straight out racism) stated the following:
Lebanon has a total area of 10,452 square kilometers (4,036 sq mi), making it the 166th largest country in the world.
Thank you Nebor for breaking your racism streak, even for one post :thumbsup: keep it up and you just might earn a tiny bit of my respect back
EDIT:
I have noticed your post after I posted, but that just shows that some people where able to see through the hate and arrive at a logical (yet a twisted ) conclusion.
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Wouldn't it be ironic if Nebor one day puts his actions where his mouth is and joins the civilian killing IDF one day, then enters Lebanon and first step he takes is on a good ole clusteroito and then becoming the first IDF member to land on the moon
?Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when lebanon forces groups like hezbollah to disarm then they can complain. until then theres no reason to answer their requests for anything.
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
I don't understand what you meant by Turkey.
Turkey and Israel are friends. Turkey doesn't fit with the norms of the M.E and is mainly aligned with Europe.
I don't think Turkey has a single ally in the M.E, just like Israel.
palehorse
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That alone makes Turkey a country worthy of respect and friendship.Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when lebanon forces groups like hezbollah to disarm then they can complain. until then theres no reason to answer their requests for anything.
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
I don't understand what you meant by Turkey.
Turkey and Israel are friends. Turkey doesn't fit with the norms of the M.E and is mainly aligned with Europe.
I don't think Turkey has a single ally in the M.E, just like Israel.
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when lebanon forces groups like hezbollah to disarm then they can complain. until then theres no reason to answer their requests for anything.
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
You just can't destroy a country and then complain about it being not able to defeat Hizbollah, Israel is raising Hizbollah's support with it's excessive force and crippling of Lebanese economy.
Otherwise, Lebanon can try to get it's Army to defeat Hizbollah, and just end up rewinding our clock a 100 years back (and Israel would LOVE THAT). No thank you, we are not falling for Israel's crap again. Israel is the one responsible for Hizbollah's founding, with their occupational practices, why should Lebanon take all the blame?
When it comes to the Palestinian refugee camp, I am not sure if your were being ironic or not, but you do know that the Lebanese Army evacuated the camp out of refugees and accommodated them in other locations, while they pounded Fatah Al-Islam after refusing to surrender and causing explosions all over the country?. Currently the government is rebuilding the camp for the Palestinians better then it was before.
I am just losing hope in a good portion of the public here, what a bunch of blood thirsty racist murderers and cowards. And I used to think Hizbollah were a bunch of crazy fanatics, now I really see where they get their inspiration from.
I just don't see how logical freedom loving people can support Israel here in the states. Everyone is brushing aside the fact that Israel is deliberately attacking and killing civilians, on the contrary people are cheering for it.
A bunch of terrorists you guys are.
How on freaking earth do you expect Hizbollah's support to dwindle down, while in the meantime, Israel carpets the South with mines and cluster bombs to indirectly kill as many civilians as possible.
I detest Hizbollah as much as the next guy and would love to see them out of Lebanon ASAP and have the brave men of the Lebanese Army take control of everything within Lebanon as they have done in North Lebanon in the Summer.
And about Turkey, what do you have now on Turkey? What does it have to do with the Arabs and Lebanon? Turkey has always been on a different page in the ME, stop throwing random cases in my face, this is not related to the OP PERIOD
Why can't people be logical about it? Lebanon is trying it's best, if not even Israel can defeat Hizbollah with their high tech US tax payer funded multi-billion dollar weapons then how on earth do you expect the much less equipped Lebanese Army to defeat them? IMAO Hizbollah can only be taken care of through a national consensus and a pan Arab peace treaty guaranteeing the return of ALL ARAB occupied land and allowing the immediate return of all Palestinian refugees that got their land occupied and taken over by Israel only then Hizbollah can be disarmed and Israel recognized. Otherwise you guys are just smoking too much HASHISH!
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Who cares, the Arabs under the Arab League unanimously presented Israel through their Egyptian and Jordanian members a peace proposal, it's in their hands if they want to have peace or not.
I am almost sure that Israel will not agree but I am going to sit back and watch for 10-20 more years and see if Israel will ever show a positive move towards that but I am not holding my breath...
palehorse
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Will the League be willing to continue the process if/when Israel returns to them with a reasonable counter-proposal, or is their first offer set in stone?
I do believe that Israel will soon propose a two-state solution, but the League will refuse to compromise on the details.
That's my guess...
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when lebanon forces groups like hezbollah to disarm then they can complain. until then theres no reason to answer their requests for anything.
and yes, smearing israel with lies, middle easts favorite sport. ranting about israel while occupying kurdish land themselves. look at turkey. the hypocrisy is amazing. even lebanon recently had to bomb a palestinian refugee camp
I don't understand what you meant by Turkey.
Turkey and Israel are friends. Turkey doesn't fit with the norms of the M.E and is mainly aligned with Europe.
I don't think Turkey has a single ally in the M.E, just like Israel.
you are correct!!
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Coming from a guy that barely knows how to spell, I'll take my chances
How many languages do you speak fluently?
Or how many people do you know who are fluent in 4 different languags with english as there 5th language???
You still have no clue do you?
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Ozoned
"A reasonable person can arrive at only one conclusion"..............
Thanks for pointing that out, it was not my aim at all to confuse anyone.
But could it possibly be that I made a human error during converting the units without noticing??
<<
The Daily Star article I posted in the OP says 38,000,000 square meters ==>(divide by 10 to the 6th power) ===> 38 square kilometer. I was tired when I was writing the OP and completely forgot that I am converting from square meters to square Kilometers and not meters to Kilometers so I divided by 1000 (1KM = 1000 m) instead.
I did change the OP.
But honestly, that wouldn't even qualify as exaggeration, also given that Nebor (for the first time on AT posting something useful that wasn't straight out racism) stated the following:
Lebanon has a total area of 10,452 square kilometers (4,036 sq mi), making it the 166th largest country in the world.
Thank you Nebor for breaking your racism streak, even for one post :thumbsup: keep it up and you just might earn a tiny bit of my respect back
EDIT:
I have noticed your post after I posted, but that just shows that some people where able to see through the hate and arrive at a logical (yet a twisted ) conclusion.
Ozoned
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Israel:-----The people that present their peace proposal would like to have their lands returned that they lost in a war that they launched. What's in it for us?
Arabs:-----Peace.
Israel:----Uhhhhhhh, then why did you attack us in the 1st place?-
Arabs:-----Because you don't have a right to exist.
Israel:-----Fvck You.
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Coming from a guy that barely knows how to spell, I'll take my chances
How many languages do you speak fluently?
Or how many people do you know who are fluent in 4 different languags with english as there 5th language???
You still have no clue do you?
I fluently speak 2 languages, besides Portuguese and French which I speak decently but not good enough with the grammar and syntax to go boldly posting on Portuguese and French forums that the members they have are just dense while fscking up half of each paragraph I post, it would just be stupid.
I'll answer your other question too for your satisfaction (not that I care for it anyways), my dad speaks French, English, Portuguese, Spanish, Arabic (in pretty much all of the dialects) and a host of African Languages such as Wolof, Toucouleur and Serer. So don't feel so great about yourself yet, I am humbled by what that great man knows (and that's besides his knowledge in the engineering field).
But that's besides the point here. You don't see me going around saying that others are dense even here while they weren't attacking me personally or insulting me.
I know for a fact that in P&N, people who don't bring anything to the table besides flames have a tendency of getting kicked out and that's not why I am on this forum for. I am here to discuss in an open minded and free fashion, political issues on my mind with others without insulting those who don't insult me or those who disagree with me ( for those who do on the other hand, that's a different story).
If you want to start a flame war, then don't be pathetic and attempt to explain away why you can't use the English (not "english") language (not "languags") to the proper extent.
At least appreciate that my reply to you was based on facts and not personal opinion.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
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Thank you Nebor for breaking your racism streak, even for one post :thumbsup: keep it up and you just might earn a tiny bit of my respect back
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Again with the personal insults. You just don't know when to stop do you?
I am here to discuss politics, not your desperate attempts to save face!
That was a personal remark from me to Nebor, it's between me and him and if he has a problem with it, then he is more than free to reply.
I don't want to hear anymore of your childish attacks, I have no more patients for you kid.
Your issue is you may be anti-semitic. Why are you so staunchly against Isreal? What would you have done if you were the leader of Isreal and you had people in Lebanon bombing your country with rockets for over one week? Isreal defended itself, so the country of Lebanon got what it deserved. They are giving shelter and aid to terrorists. That makes the civilians accomplices to terrorism.
Where was the UN when all of these terrorsist moved into Lebanon. The UN had people in Lebanon who were suppose to be observers. Why were they there? Was their job to help terrorists? Is the UN Mandate to ignore terrorism or is it to keep the peace? What on Earth was the UN doing there.
Since then there was a supposed UN Peace keeping force that moved into Lebanon. What are they doing to keep the peace now? How come you dont hear no reports on what the UN is doing to keep the peace?
Why should Isreal help it's enemies? They have no reason to help people who give aid to terrorists. What about the Civilians who were killed by people in Lebanon? Do you even care about the civilians in Isreal?
Where was the UN when all of these terrorsist moved into Lebanon. The UN had people in Lebanon who were suppose to be observers. Why were they there? Was their job to help terrorists? Is the UN Mandate to ignore terrorism or is it to keep the peace? What on Earth was the UN doing there.
Since then there was a supposed UN Peace keeping force that moved into Lebanon. What are they doing to keep the peace now? How come you dont hear no reports on what the UN is doing to keep the peace?
Why should Isreal help it's enemies? They have no reason to help people who give aid to terrorists. What about the Civilians who were killed by people in Lebanon? Do you even care about the civilians in Isreal?
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