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fallout man

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Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

The clinic, which was run by the Near East Council of Churches, was struck by a missile after a 15-minute warning was sent to the building's owners.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of medical equipment was destroyed by the strike,
which happened on Saturday.

The military told Christian Aid there were terrorist operations nearby.

Nobody was injured in the attack, in part because the clinic had been closed since Tuesday because of security concerns, the NECC said.

Palestinian medical officials say more than 900 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's military offensive on the Gaza Strip began on 27 December. The UN says more than 40% of those killed have been women and children.

Israeli authorities say 13 Israelis have died, three of them civilians.

'Bloody atmosphere'

Christian Aid said the destroyed clinic, which was located in a two-storey building in the Shujaiya district of Gaza City, provided free primary healthcare to the local community, including mother and child clinics, neo-natal care, family planning.

It also included a laboratory for medical tests and a small dispensary.


On Saturday evening, the building's owners received a telephone call from the Israeli military telling to evacuate within 15 minutes, Christian Aid said.

The family living in the apartment on the floor above the clinic managed to get out just before a warning shot was fired by an Israeli air force jet, it added.

Moments later, the building - which the charity said was clearly marked with the insignia of the Red Cross and had ambulances parked outside - was struck by a missile fired by the aircraft.

The clinic was completely destroyed in the attack, along with valuable medical equipment, including ultrasound machines, laboratory apparatus, and computers, which are not freely available in Gaza.



Constantine Dabbagh, executive director of the NECC in Gaza, said another of its clinics had been closed for two weeks because the owners of a neighbouring building had received repeated warnings from the Israeli military that it was about to be bombed.

"The world needs to wake up and stop this. They need to wake up and end the siege and the occupation," said Mr Dabbagh. "Then there will be some time for peace and reconciliation."

"Otherwise, this bloody atmosphere will continue."

Janet Symes of Christian Aid, who visited the clinic last year said: "It was standing room only as so many mothers had brought their babies and small children for check-ups or treatment".

"Now the whole clinic lies in ruins. All the equipment is destroyed. This just underlines how critical an immediate ceasefire is to stop this destruction."


The day of the final solution shall be more expedient if their children do not grow strong enough to pick up the sword.

Let's pray for Israel.
 

wwswimming

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boy, this thread has a life of its own.

how come "replies" is 704 and "views" is 344 ?

are some people closing their eyes when they're typing ?
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: freshgeardude
in the case of Islam, the majority can be considered radical, because they follow the lines of the Koran and other Islamic writings saying jews and christians are bad and must be killed.

Islamic writings say nothing of the sort, which is why many Christians and Jews have lived all across Muslim lands throughout the history of Islam.

oh really?

"The Jews and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." Al Bayyina (The Proof) 98:1

"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, lie in ambush everywhere for them." Sal- Tawha (Penitence) 9:4

"Many are the rabbies and the monks who defraud men of their possessions and debar them from the path of Allah." Al-Tawha (Repentance) 9:34

" You will find the most implacable of men in their enmity to the sinful are the Jews." Al- Ma'ida (The Table) 5:82

"Kill them wherever you find them. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded." Al-Bagquara (The Cow) 2:90

"The Jews have perverted the Scriptures and forgotten much of what they were enjoined. You will ever find them deceitful." Al- Ma'ida (The Table) 5:49

and last but not least.

"The unbelievers are your sworn enemies!" Al-Nisa (Woman) 4:96


And

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1%-2%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- Muslim 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non- Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace - there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. "Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..


so please, before you defend Arabs, read up on fact. k thks
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: palehorse
I doubt that the rest of the Arab nations will ever be satisfied with an Israeli presence in the region; but Israel can continue to mitigate that hostility by maintaining a superior military and strong alliances with the U.S. and others.

I doubt Israel would have any notable hostility against it now,


if only they had allowed an independent state arise from Palestine after they occupied the territories and instead started colonizing them in 1967.


you mean when the arab nations attacked them a day after the declared independence?

you fight someone for land and lose, your bound to lose more than just your people( lives of people who got killed) and your dignity. your going to lose land which israel went on to use to keep themselvs protected.

by the way, some of the areas of the partition plan were flawed. jerusalem was covered by the annexed part of jordan, which meant if any israel wanted to go into jerusalem, they had to go into the west bank which had ambushes of arabs.

Link

also, to get from the coast to inward at the north, they could only go one one road which was being ambushed.

aswell as going from the coast to the negev.


so, after you win a war against people you fix the problems you had with them right? im sure you would agree. come 1967, 6 day war. same idea you start a war you lose the land, land israel took to keep itself defended and to also lead into jerusalem
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: palehorse
Do you agree with the phrase "Death to Hamas!" ?

I want to bring death to the factors which drive terrorists like Hamas. Killing off Hamas members, along with anyone in their vicinity, while continuing to keep Palestinians caged up like livestock as Israel colonizes their land out from under them, is only making their ideology stronger.
LOL.. a simple yes/no would have sufficed... but I see you chose to dance around the question instead.

gg.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: palehorse

Do you agree with the phrase "Death to <insert any terrorist group here>" ?

T,FTFY
NOW it's fixed...

I wanted to find out if he understands who/what we're dealing with here... thus far, TheSnowMan seems to be of the "Let's all hug for peace" variety, even if those he's hugging carry explosive-laden vests... but hey, I could be wrong.
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

The clinic, which was run by the Near East Council of Churches, was struck by a missile after a 15-minute warning was sent to the building's owners.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of medical equipment was destroyed by the strike,
which happened on Saturday.

The military told Christian Aid there were terrorist operations nearby.

Nobody was injured in the attack, in part because the clinic had been closed since Tuesday because of security concerns, the NECC said.

Palestinian medical officials say more than 900 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's military offensive on the Gaza Strip began on 27 December. The UN says more than 40% of those killed have been women and children.

Israeli authorities say 13 Israelis have died, three of them civilians.

'Bloody atmosphere'

Christian Aid said the destroyed clinic, which was located in a two-storey building in the Shujaiya district of Gaza City, provided free primary healthcare to the local community, including mother and child clinics, neo-natal care, family planning.

It also included a laboratory for medical tests and a small dispensary.


On Saturday evening, the building's owners received a telephone call from the Israeli military telling to evacuate within 15 minutes, Christian Aid said.

The family living in the apartment on the floor above the clinic managed to get out just before a warning shot was fired by an Israeli air force jet, it added.

Moments later, the building - which the charity said was clearly marked with the insignia of the Red Cross and had ambulances parked outside - was struck by a missile fired by the aircraft.

The clinic was completely destroyed in the attack, along with valuable medical equipment, including ultrasound machines, laboratory apparatus, and computers, which are not freely available in Gaza.



Constantine Dabbagh, executive director of the NECC in Gaza, said another of its clinics had been closed for two weeks because the owners of a neighbouring building had received repeated warnings from the Israeli military that it was about to be bombed.

"The world needs to wake up and stop this. They need to wake up and end the siege and the occupation," said Mr Dabbagh. "Then there will be some time for peace and reconciliation."

"Otherwise, this bloody atmosphere will continue."

Janet Symes of Christian Aid, who visited the clinic last year said: "It was standing room only as so many mothers had brought their babies and small children for check-ups or treatment".

"Now the whole clinic lies in ruins. All the equipment is destroyed. This just underlines how critical an immediate ceasefire is to stop this destruction."


The day of the final solution shall be more expedient if their children do not grow strong enough to pick up the sword.

Let's pray for Israel.

more propaganda from BBS. the only reason israel hit it was because the dumb ass Hamas people fired missiles from there. Israel is basically looking at a map of gaza, wherever they see a rocket is launched, they attack it. simple as that. it is unfortunate that it was a clinic to help civilians, but its hamas did that on purpose so news companies like this will say " hey look Israel is destroying clinics" and then you get angry at israel. All propaganda.
 

Lemon law

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I Jesus H. Druids, we can always rely on the insights of palehorse, who insights have been so successful in Afghanistan. You can't help but admire someone who has helped deliver failure for seven years running, in Afghanistan, oh goodie, lets import similar insights into the mid-east.

But don't let it swell your head palehorse, better idiots than you have been screwing everything up in this mid-east conflict even before 1948, all you do is add even more of the same.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
I Jesus H. Druids, we can always rely on the insights of palehorse, who insights have been so successful in Afghanistan. You can't help but admire someone who has helped deliver failure for seven years running, in Afghanistan, oh goodie, lets import similar insights into the mid-east.

But don't let it swell your head palehorse, better idiots than you have been screwing everything up in this mid-east conflict even before 1948, all you do is add even more of the same.
:cookie:

Way to address my points there slick... I'm particularly interested in seeing you discuss the Mad Libs games your brain keeps playing with everyone's posts... :roll:
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Originally posted by: fallout man
Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

The clinic, which was run by the Near East Council of Churches, was struck by a missile after a 15-minute warning was sent to the building's owners.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of medical equipment was destroyed by the strike,
which happened on Saturday.

The military told Christian Aid there were terrorist operations nearby.

Nobody was injured in the attack, in part because the clinic had been closed since Tuesday because of security concerns, the NECC said.

Palestinian medical officials say more than 900 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's military offensive on the Gaza Strip began on 27 December. The UN says more than 40% of those killed have been women and children.

Israeli authorities say 13 Israelis have died, three of them civilians.

'Bloody atmosphere'

Christian Aid said the destroyed clinic, which was located in a two-storey building in the Shujaiya district of Gaza City, provided free primary healthcare to the local community, including mother and child clinics, neo-natal care, family planning.

It also included a laboratory for medical tests and a small dispensary.


On Saturday evening, the building's owners received a telephone call from the Israeli military telling to evacuate within 15 minutes, Christian Aid said.

The family living in the apartment on the floor above the clinic managed to get out just before a warning shot was fired by an Israeli air force jet, it added.

Moments later, the building - which the charity said was clearly marked with the insignia of the Red Cross and had ambulances parked outside - was struck by a missile fired by the aircraft.

The clinic was completely destroyed in the attack, along with valuable medical equipment, including ultrasound machines, laboratory apparatus, and computers, which are not freely available in Gaza.



Constantine Dabbagh, executive director of the NECC in Gaza, said another of its clinics had been closed for two weeks because the owners of a neighbouring building had received repeated warnings from the Israeli military that it was about to be bombed.

"The world needs to wake up and stop this. They need to wake up and end the siege and the occupation," said Mr Dabbagh. "Then there will be some time for peace and reconciliation."

"Otherwise, this bloody atmosphere will continue."

Janet Symes of Christian Aid, who visited the clinic last year said: "It was standing room only as so many mothers had brought their babies and small children for check-ups or treatment".

"Now the whole clinic lies in ruins. All the equipment is destroyed. This just underlines how critical an immediate ceasefire is to stop this destruction."


The day of the final solution shall be more expedient if their children do not grow strong enough to pick up the sword.

Let's pray for Israel.

more propaganda from BBS. the only reason israel hit it was because the dumb ass Hamas people fired missiles from there. Israel is basically looking at a map of gaza, wherever they see a rocket is launched, they attack it. simple as that. it is unfortunate that it was a clinic to help civilians, but its hamas did that on purpose so news companies like this will say " hey look Israel is destroying clinics" and then you get angry at israel. All propaganda.

What isn't "propaganda" to you?

The Israeli excuse for bombing an unoccupied clinic is that "terrorist operations were nearby." They did not say, nor have they produced any evidence, that Hamas was firing from this location.

Everything in Gaza is "nearby," which apparently gives the IDF carte blanche to perform collective punishment.

If Hamas militants were indeed firing from this location at Israeli forces, do you think that the IDF would be so kind as to give a phone-call 15 minutes in advance? They didn't give the UN school a call before the shot it up.

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, fresh dude.
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Originally posted by: fallout man
Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

The clinic, which was run by the Near East Council of Churches, was struck by a missile after a 15-minute warning was sent to the building's owners.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of medical equipment was destroyed by the strike,
which happened on Saturday.

The military told Christian Aid there were terrorist operations nearby.

Nobody was injured in the attack, in part because the clinic had been closed since Tuesday because of security concerns, the NECC said.

Palestinian medical officials say more than 900 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's military offensive on the Gaza Strip began on 27 December. The UN says more than 40% of those killed have been women and children.

Israeli authorities say 13 Israelis have died, three of them civilians.

'Bloody atmosphere'

Christian Aid said the destroyed clinic, which was located in a two-storey building in the Shujaiya district of Gaza City, provided free primary healthcare to the local community, including mother and child clinics, neo-natal care, family planning.

It also included a laboratory for medical tests and a small dispensary.


On Saturday evening, the building's owners received a telephone call from the Israeli military telling to evacuate within 15 minutes, Christian Aid said.

The family living in the apartment on the floor above the clinic managed to get out just before a warning shot was fired by an Israeli air force jet, it added.

Moments later, the building - which the charity said was clearly marked with the insignia of the Red Cross and had ambulances parked outside - was struck by a missile fired by the aircraft.

The clinic was completely destroyed in the attack, along with valuable medical equipment, including ultrasound machines, laboratory apparatus, and computers, which are not freely available in Gaza.



Constantine Dabbagh, executive director of the NECC in Gaza, said another of its clinics had been closed for two weeks because the owners of a neighbouring building had received repeated warnings from the Israeli military that it was about to be bombed.

"The world needs to wake up and stop this. They need to wake up and end the siege and the occupation," said Mr Dabbagh. "Then there will be some time for peace and reconciliation."

"Otherwise, this bloody atmosphere will continue."

Janet Symes of Christian Aid, who visited the clinic last year said: "It was standing room only as so many mothers had brought their babies and small children for check-ups or treatment".

"Now the whole clinic lies in ruins. All the equipment is destroyed. This just underlines how critical an immediate ceasefire is to stop this destruction."


The day of the final solution shall be more expedient if their children do not grow strong enough to pick up the sword.

Let's pray for Israel.

more propaganda from BBS. the only reason israel hit it was because the dumb ass Hamas people fired missiles from there. Israel is basically looking at a map of gaza, wherever they see a rocket is launched, they attack it. simple as that. it is unfortunate that it was a clinic to help civilians, but its hamas did that on purpose so news companies like this will say " hey look Israel is destroying clinics" and then you get angry at israel. All propaganda.

What isn't "propaganda" to you?

The Israeli excuse for bombing an unoccupied clinic is that "terrorist operations were nearby." They did not say, nor have they produced any evidence, that Hamas was firing from this location.

Everything in Gaza is "nearby," which apparently gives the IDF carte blanche to perform collective punishment.

If Hamas militants were indeed firing from this location at Israeli forces, do you think that the IDF would be so kind as to give a phone-call 15 minutes in advance? They didn't give the UN school a call before the shot it up.

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, fresh dude.

Lol fresh dude. ok so Israel making phone calls, text messages, and dropping pamplets from the sky isnt enough for the people? if they know an attack is going to happen to any area where missile fire comes from, they should already know to move away.

secondly, they do not call every number on the list of numbers, they call only who they think are no terrorists and people who arent on their watch list. some times they talk to the militants who also move away.
 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Cheer up THE ISRAELIS JUST SHELLED UN HEADQUARTERS IN GAZA ALSO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

At least the Israeli defense minister admitted that might be a whoops we got careless.

I think its long past due for the rest of the world to tell Israel to get out of Gaza or Israel will get a taste of the same.

Oh, you're suggesting that world countries attack Israel now? And we should take you seriously, right?
 

Oyeve

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Cheer up THE ISRAELIS JUST SHELLED UN HEADQUARTERS IN GAZA ALSO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

At least the Israeli defense minister admitted that might be a whoops we got careless.

I think its long past due for the rest of the world to tell Israel to get out of Gaza or Israel will get a taste of the same.

I am no fan of israel, but the world shouldnt tell them shit. The world should just stop giving isreal $$$ for weapons and let them deal with this mess without other external financial sources.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Originally posted by: fallout man
Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

The clinic, which was run by the Near East Council of Churches, was struck by a missile after a 15-minute warning was sent to the building's owners.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of medical equipment was destroyed by the strike,
which happened on Saturday.

The military told Christian Aid there were terrorist operations nearby.

Nobody was injured in the attack, in part because the clinic had been closed since Tuesday because of security concerns, the NECC said.

Palestinian medical officials say more than 900 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's military offensive on the Gaza Strip began on 27 December. The UN says more than 40% of those killed have been women and children.

Israeli authorities say 13 Israelis have died, three of them civilians.

'Bloody atmosphere'

Christian Aid said the destroyed clinic, which was located in a two-storey building in the Shujaiya district of Gaza City, provided free primary healthcare to the local community, including mother and child clinics, neo-natal care, family planning.

It also included a laboratory for medical tests and a small dispensary.


On Saturday evening, the building's owners received a telephone call from the Israeli military telling to evacuate within 15 minutes, Christian Aid said.

The family living in the apartment on the floor above the clinic managed to get out just before a warning shot was fired by an Israeli air force jet, it added.

Moments later, the building - which the charity said was clearly marked with the insignia of the Red Cross and had ambulances parked outside - was struck by a missile fired by the aircraft.

The clinic was completely destroyed in the attack, along with valuable medical equipment, including ultrasound machines, laboratory apparatus, and computers, which are not freely available in Gaza.



Constantine Dabbagh, executive director of the NECC in Gaza, said another of its clinics had been closed for two weeks because the owners of a neighbouring building had received repeated warnings from the Israeli military that it was about to be bombed.

"The world needs to wake up and stop this. They need to wake up and end the siege and the occupation," said Mr Dabbagh. "Then there will be some time for peace and reconciliation."

"Otherwise, this bloody atmosphere will continue."

Janet Symes of Christian Aid, who visited the clinic last year said: "It was standing room only as so many mothers had brought their babies and small children for check-ups or treatment".

"Now the whole clinic lies in ruins. All the equipment is destroyed. This just underlines how critical an immediate ceasefire is to stop this destruction."


The day of the final solution shall be more expedient if their children do not grow strong enough to pick up the sword.

Let's pray for Israel.

more propaganda from BBS. the only reason israel hit it was because the dumb ass Hamas people fired missiles from there. Israel is basically looking at a map of gaza, wherever they see a rocket is launched, they attack it. simple as that. it is unfortunate that it was a clinic to help civilians, but its hamas did that on purpose so news companies like this will say " hey look Israel is destroying clinics" and then you get angry at israel. All propaganda.

Hahhahaha, you believe that. You really do. In your eyes Israel can do no wrong and anything speaking against them is either propaganda or antisemitism.
 

poohbear

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Cheer up THE ISRAELIS JUST SHELLED UN HEADQUARTERS IN GAZA ALSO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

At least the Israeli defense minister admitted that might be a whoops we got careless.

I think its long past due for the rest of the world to tell Israel to get out of Gaza or Israel will get a taste of the same.

i bet they'll say it had hamas militants firing rockets from inside! lol


EDIT: loh wait, they DID say militants were firing from that area. i swear they're starting to have a sense of humor about this, but not many ppl are laughing.
 

Freshgeardude

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I feel they usually choose the right choice. They are never the aggressors in any wars. They are the only peace-keeping country in the ME and compared to other countries there the people have many more rights
 

poohbear

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Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Originally posted by: freshgeardude
in the case of Islam, the majority can be considered radical, because they follow the lines of the Koran and other Islamic writings saying jews and christians are bad and must be killed.

Islamic writings say nothing of the sort, which is why many Christians and Jews have lived all across Muslim lands throughout the history of Islam.

oh really?

"The Jews and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." Al Bayyina (The Proof) 98:1

"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, lie in ambush everywhere for them." Sal- Tawha (Penitence) 9:4

"Many are the rabbies and the monks who defraud men of their possessions and debar them from the path of Allah." Al-Tawha (Repentance) 9:34

" You will find the most implacable of men in their enmity to the sinful are the Jews." Al- Ma'ida (The Table) 5:82

"Kill them wherever you find them. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded." Al-Bagquara (The Cow) 2:90

"The Jews have perverted the Scriptures and forgotten much of what they were enjoined. You will ever find them deceitful." Al- Ma'ida (The Table) 5:49

and last but not least.

"The unbelievers are your sworn enemies!" Al-Nisa (Woman) 4:96


And

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1%-2%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- Muslim 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non- Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace - there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. "Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..


so please, before you defend Arabs, read up on fact. k thks

wow, this is just racist drivel. Please dont use racism as logic to prove your point, because your arguement ceases to be logical once you do that.

anyways, not all arabs are muslims & the vast majority of muslims are'nt arabs, so i dont see how defending arabs is defending muslmis? now, since the muslim "threat" is only 1% in the US we dont have to worry now do we?

and im laughing that the translations you quoted of the Quran left the word "allah" in the translation. lol the person doing the translating either had an agenda or had no clue how to translate arabic. lol (allah is simply arabic for god, arab jews and arab christians also use allah to describe the abrahamic god. right wingers prefer not to translate it, since it makes the muslims look more like us).

i'm guessing the Qurranic quotes are from a wahhabi translation (Saudi Arabia), which is extreme even by middle eastern standards and is known to be very ultra right wing on its views of non-muslims (funny how right wingers everywhere have so much hate to share? whether right wing christian, jew, muslim, or hindu, they are ALL born of the same cloth). they regularly choose to translate pagan as jew, albeit the two are completley different in arabic. The first refers to the Qurashi tribe in 7th centuryt Arabia that persecuted early Muslims, and the 2nd refers to jewish people in history (almost always in stories similar to the old testament).

not that you'd take the 2 minutes to read up on stuff like that, all u need is an excuse to feed your racism & hate and that's enough for you. cheers.


 

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Cheer up THE ISRAELIS JUST SHELLED UN HEADQUARTERS IN GAZA ALSO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

At least the Israeli defense minister admitted that might be a whoops we got careless.

I think its long past due for the rest of the world to tell Israel to get out of Gaza or Israel will get a taste of the same.

your an idiot.


oh and by the way.. from your article

Interior Minister Said Siam was killed in an Israeli airstrike that flattened a home in Gaza City. Israel and Hamas both confirmed the death of Siam, who oversaw thousands of security agents and was considered to be among the militant group's top five leaders in Gaza.


so we should blame the UN for not securing their area shouldnt we. if this guy died in this attack, that means he was close enough.


good that they got him, unfortunately the building got hit too


according to This Hamas was using the compound of the building to fire at IDF and IAF
 

poohbear

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boy, this thread has a life of its own.

how come "replies" is 704 and "views" is 344 ?

are some people closing their eyes when they're typing ?

lol very good point. It's the same 10-15 people that are writing the same stuff and argueing back & forth. like i said the majority of people out there dont care about this stuff, its not like the american government supports israel because its an important cause to average americans, its cause of the tons of money AIPAC & other jewish lobby groups pour into the campaingns of senators. They hijacked american foreign policy.
 

Zebo

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Hamas getting nervous offers 1 year cease fire (but threatens revenge of course) and wants trade routes open and Troops get out of Gaza.

Israeli leadership is so shitty right now they will probably take the bait instead of crushing Hamas and getting their Solider back..

This is beginning of the end folks.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129455
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Hamas getting nervous offers 1 year cease fire (but threatens revenge of course) and wants trade routes open and Troops get out of Gaza.

Israeli leadership is so shitty right now they will probably take the bait instead of crushing Hamas and getting their Solider back..

This is beginning of the end folks.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129455

hamas agreed to a short, 6 month cease fire. Israel said no to this, they want a long term solution.


israel has weakened hamas a great deal, and secondly, egypt will be monitoring the border better now
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Hamas getting nervous offers 1 year cease fire (but threatens revenge of course) and wants trade routes open and Troops get out of Gaza.

Israeli leadership is so shitty right now they will probably take the bait instead of crushing Hamas and getting their Solider back..

This is beginning of the end folks.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129455
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I certainly hope this is the beginning of the end of the current bloodshed, but only time will tell what the longer range ramifications are and what amounts to world wide and regional support of both Hamas and Israel. And how many new terrorists vowing death to Israel will be amply funded.

At least IMHO, Israel was skating on very thin ice after what it did to Lebanon, and this one sided slaughter in Gaza did not help that perspective either.

Of course there are those biased the other way, and they take a far more pro-Israeli view point on this forum.

But my main comment is that this is just the latest chapter in a longer struggle, with little since 1948 changing the parameters of the basic Israeli Palestinian Arab squabble. In short, it will not result in a peace for Israel even if the forms of resistance change from any one given direction.

And in the grander scheme of thing, the international community may be far more powerful deciders, will they ultimately decide to muzzle Israel or not? And the other piece of that puzzle may be President Obama, who may now be able to put off a decision regarding the USA's giving a blank check to Israel, in terms of defending Israel in the UN.
 

Zebo

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muzzle Israel huh? Good luck with that. Never corner a bear.

I deal in reality ans it's a strategic blunder to invade and not fullfill goals

Genius military theorist Carl von Clausewitz wrote:
The aim of warfare is to disarm the enemy . . . If the enemy is to be coerced you must put him in a situation that is even more unpleasant than the sacrifice you call on him to make. The hardships of that situation must not of course be merely transient. Otherwise the enemy would not give in but would wait for things to improve.

i.e Isreal not disarming Hamas and negotiating shitty terms will only waste their time and political capital. And worse all those lives wasted, on both sides, waiting for the resurgent Hamas attack