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ericlp

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: SandEagle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

as everyone was celebrating Obama's victory, israel launched an attack that killed 6 Hamas activists. how come no one else is talking about this? obviously the ceasefire would've still been in place had this not happened. is this the first time anyone else is hearing of this?


Old news and way off target.

Interesting how people will be so blindly one sided

Especially you...

 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.


What are you talking about.... No one in the Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.


What stupid thing did Israel do?


 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.


What are you talking about.... No one in the Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden.

maybe true, but bush is giving them the green light. If bush didn't they wouldn't be attacking right now. No one but a war monger like bush is just gonna tell em go for it not even Biden.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.


What stupid thing did Israel do?

War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Link


Looks like CNN is late to the party

The ceasefire was broken within a week of it going into effect. (June 26, 2008)

You would think that Israel would know better, with the whole world watching their every move

That wasn't Hamas's doing, from your link:

The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a violent offshoot of the Fatah party of the the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, claimed responsibility for firing the rockets today. One exploded harmlessly in a field, the military said, refusing to disclose where the other landed. A statement from the militant group demanded that Israel halt its military operations in the West Bank.

That was the militant wing of Fatah trying to fuck things up for Hamas.
 

Jiggz

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AQ has lost steam that's why it's trying every opportunity there is! Just like what Al Gore did when he lost steam and started to take every opportunity there is in human calamities! Talking about pathetic moves!
 

Farang

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OP missed the point of this AQ message. Obama threatens to repair America's image in the Muslim world so priority #1 for them is to destroy his image. This has nothing to do with Obama turning into Bush as far as receiving blame (although he will, as all Presidents do). It is a propaganda ploy to trick uneducated Muslims in the most impoverished places on Earth, and unfortunately OP was on their same level of intelligence to fall for it.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.


What stupid thing did Israel do?

War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

Funny that all the news organizations stated that there were militants launching rockets and motors from the school grounds.

And the school itself was not targted; it was hit by shrapnel from shelling of the launching locations.

Fairly good targetting by Israel and very convienant of the militants to setup positions in a school area.

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
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Looks like CNN is late to the party

The ceasefire was broken within a week of it going into effect. (June 26, 2008)

You would think that Israel would know better, with the whole world watching their every move

That wasn't Hamas's doing, from your link:

The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a violent offshoot of the Fatah party of the the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, claimed responsibility for firing the rockets today. One exploded harmlessly in a field, the military said, refusing to disclose where the other landed. A statement from the militant group demanded that Israel halt its military operations in the West Bank.

That was the militant wing of Fatah trying to fuck things up for Hamas.

We had this discussion 6 months ago when you were claiming that there was no truce because there was no copy of it posted online.

And that was when Hamas publicy stated that they would not stop militants from launching rockets.

Seems like Hamas did not want the responsbility of maintaining the truce.

Hamas is responsbile for the actions of people within Gaza - they wanted to be the government. They had the ability to stop the shelling, they chose not to.

And you would like to believe that Hamas has no control over what other do? They did it with Hamas's blessing and support.


Just like Hamas attempted to screw things over for Fatah. All parties knew what was going on. It is easier for the "responsible party" to attempt to play dumb while all have a wink.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

We had this discussion 6 months ago when you were claiming that there was no truce because there was no copy of it posted online.

No, simply disputed your claims about the terms of the truce because you were unable to back them.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

And that was when Hamas publicy stated that they would not stop militants from launching rockets.

You never proved that claim either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Seems like Hamas did not want the responsbility of maintaining the truce.

Well I highly doubt they wanted any part in hunting down their fellow Palestinians for attacking Israel, that would make them like the Jews who worked as kapos in the Warsaw Getho.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.

:confused:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: SandEagle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

as everyone was celebrating Obama's victory, israel launched an attack that killed 6 Hamas activists. how come no one else is talking about this? obviously the ceasefire would've still been in place had this not happened. is this the first time anyone else is hearing of this?

Its a shame they only killed 6 of them.

Missing a K?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.

What stupid thing did Israel do?

War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

oh, I dunno... perhaps they'll start blowing themselves up in bus stops, markets, and cafes? Oh, wait...

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

Funny that all the news organizations stated that there were militants launching rockets and motors from the school grounds.

And the school itself was not targted; it was hit by shrapnel from shelling of the launching locations.

Fairly good targeting by Israel and very convienant of the militants to setup positions in a school area.
This video will tell him everything he needs to know about the "attacks on UN schools"...
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

We had this discussion 6 months ago when you were claiming that there was no truce because there was no copy of it posted online.

No, simply disputed your claims about the terms of the truce becuase you were unable to back them.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

And that was when Hamas publicy stated that they would not stop militants from launching rockets.

You never proved that claim either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Seems like Hamas did not want the responsbility of maintaining the truce.

Well I highly doubt they wanted any part in hunting down other Palestians for breaking it, that make them like the Jews who worked as kapos in the Warsaw Getho.

Slippery - you wnat a job for Hamas PR.

At the time you wanted text of the truce, claiming there was nothing to back up what was being said.

Now when everyone is claiming there was a truce, can you provide a copy.

All we can do is go by Press releases and articles fro pro-Arab sources. I could not locate a copy then, can you now to show what Israel agreed to?

Go back and read this article that Skyclad1uhm1 linked to in the thread.

The Hamas spokeman near the end of the article comes out and states they will not enforce the truce. What responsiblity.

But without documentation on the truce, there can be no truce. Therefore what blame is there on Israel?

 

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ericlp

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.

What stupid thing did Israel do?

War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

oh, I dunno... perhaps they'll start blowing themselves up in bus stops, markets, and cafes? Oh, wait...

Yeah funny how you'll see more and more of that ... Terror 101, this is just gonna get real ugly... War isn't the answer.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

Funny that all the news organizations stated that there were militants launching rockets and motors from the school grounds.

And the school itself was not targted; it was hit by shrapnel from shelling of the launching locations.

Fairly good targeting by Israel and very convienant of the militants to setup positions in a school area.
This video will tell him everything he needs to know about the "attacks on UN schools"...

Oh like I'm gonna believe that BS.

But I will believe that the dead people and holes in the building came from Israel.

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: fallout man

Ah, the video from two years ago... Gotcha!

Nothing to see here, folks. Shelling UN schools used as shelters by fleeing civilians is totally legit.

You know those terrorist dogs asked for it. They should know better than to hang out around UN outposts--Israel has a bad track record with those.

:roll:

The track record is very good. finding those that hang around UN areas and nailing them.

Then the militants are able to get publicity by showing that the UN was attacked.
But people that state what the militants are doing can not even use their names becuase of realiation.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: fallout man

Ah, the video from two years ago... Gotcha!

Nothing to see here, folks. Shelling UN schools used as shelters by fleeing civilians is totally legit.

You know those terrorist dogs asked for it. They should know better than to hang out around UN outposts--Israel has a bad track record with those.

:roll:

Regardless of the year it was filmed, the video clearly demonstrates the standard tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTPs) used by Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

What makes you think that they're any different today!? :confused:
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
Isn't it funny how bush even as his last days tick down is still killing innocent people.

Is it any wonder why Iran is stepping up it's nukes program? I hope they can get it online before Israel does something stupid again.

When Obama takes office this BS will come to an end rather quickly. Since Israel is our lap dog they won't do anything to cross us. If we stop giving them WMD's, then they are SOL and look stupid and weak to 'ANYONE' with out the US support.

What stupid thing did Israel do?

War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

oh, I dunno... perhaps they'll start blowing themselves up in bus stops, markets, and cafes? Oh, wait...

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: ericlp
War is not an answer. Stupid enough for you? Or did you miss out on the common courtesy class?

Get a clue. Attacking UN schools and hospitals ... What next?

Funny that all the news organizations stated that there were militants launching rockets and motors from the school grounds.

And the school itself was not targted; it was hit by shrapnel from shelling of the launching locations.

Fairly good targeting by Israel and very convienant of the militants to setup positions in a school area.
This video will tell him everything he needs to know about the "attacks on UN schools"...

Oh like I'm gonna believe that BS.

But I will believe that the dead people and holes in the building came from Israel.
What was it that you're not "gonna" believe?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is going to takeover all of Palestine and kick the Palestinians out.

This proposed solution would be much better than dwelling upon the cause of the neccesaty of the proposal.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Slippery - you wnat a job for Hamas PR.

No, and I don't want a job with you Israeli extremists either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
At the time you wanted text of the truce, claiming there was nothing to back up what was being said.

Right, you made claims of the terms of the truce, I requested you prove those claims, you never did.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Now when everyone is claiming there was a truce, can you provide a copy.

All we can do is go by Press releases and articles fro pro-Arab sources. I could not locate a copy then, can you now to show what Israel agreed to?

No, and I nevered claimed to know either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Go back and read this article that Skyclad1uhm1 linked to in the thread.

The Hamas spokeman near the end of the article comes out and states they will not enforce the truce. What responsiblity.

Right, like I said, I doubt they ever had any intrest in being like the Jews who worked as kapos in the Warsaw Getho.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
But without documentation on the truce, there can be no truce. Therefore what blame is there on Israel?

I never even claimed to know the terms of truce let alone who first voilated it, that is your bag.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Slippery - you wnat a job for Hamas PR.

No, and I don't want a job with you Israeli extremists either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
At the time you wanted text of the truce, claiming there was nothing to back up what was being said.

Right, you made claims of the terms of the truce, I requested you prove those claims, you never did.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Now when everyone is claiming there was a truce, can you provide a copy.

All we can do is go by Press releases and articles fro pro-Arab sources. I could not locate a copy then, can you now to show what Israel agreed to?

No, and I nevered claimed to know either.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Go back and read this article that Skyclad1uhm1 linked to in the thread.

The Hamas spokeman near the end of the article comes out and states they will not enforce the truce. What responsiblity.

Right, like I said, I doubt they ever had any intrest in being like the Jews who worked as kapos in the Warsaw Getho.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
But without documentation on the truce, there can be no truce. Therefore what blame is there on Israel?

I never even claimed to know the terms of truce let alone who first voilated it, that is your bag.


If you can not find what the truce agreement is, how can you claim / support that Israel broke the truce.

The rest of the world is stating who broke what, who is telling the truth?

If a country is supposed to protect its people, Hamas did a lousy job of allowing others to shoot the rockets.

Hamas apparently had not real interst in what ever truce supposedly that never existed.
 

KurskKnyaz

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If Israel cared about civilians, why did they refuse the agreement to get care to injured people?

2 reasons:

1. look at a map of gaza. There are hardly any areas from which guirella warfare can be conducted. It is either open fields or densly populated civilian areas. If Isreal allows aid then the UN can bitch and moan how they relieve workers are being killed by collateral damage because they decided to enter a war zone. Politically, this will hurt Israel even more. I can guarantee you will see headlines about how the evil IDF killed some innocent UN relief worker because he was handing out rice near a weapons cache.

2. In the past, Hamas has used ambulances to transport fighters.