Israel destroys West Bank road

[kylebisme]

The Israelis purchaseda large amount of land from the original inhabitants.

What is your source for this claim?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Israel asks for peace while constantly expanding settlements throughout Palestinian territory under cover of a brutal military occupation. Palestinians, along with anyone who has at least two functional braincells to rub together, know that actions speak louder than words.

When did the Palestinians honor their peace agreements.

they stop jsut enough to trick the world and right back at it.

All Hamas has to do is recognize Israel, renounce violence against Israel and they can begin moving forward.
Instead their supporters want them to continue poking Israel in a attempt to generate provocation instead of trying to actaully better the lives of thePalestinians.

The Palestinians have to show that they are serious, oterwise, Israel will pick them apart piecemeal.

Should the Palestinians attempt to act the way the presently do when they have a state, Israel will end up giving no quarter. Look at what the world did between Russia and Georgia. What did the world do - nothing.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

FGD - the fake 17 year old here in P&N talking about things that he knows nothing about. what 17 year old is interested in ME politics? run along little man and play with your legos.

I agree with him, now what?

Why don't you argue with what he posted instead of making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

What he missed is that Israel retreated land and disassmbled settlements WAY more recent than that and the response was to use the area to try to kill more Israelis.

You don't let a rabid wolf into your home.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Israel asks for peace while constantly expanding settlements throughout Palestinian territory under cover of a brutal military occupation. Palestinians, along with anyone who has at least two functional braincells to rub together, know that actions speak louder than words.

Actually, as Obama proposed to be a mediator of sorts, Israel halted all settlements, the Palistinans didn't want that...

So fuck'em.

That said, the orthodox twats and the settlers have themselves to blame and are also responsible for their children dying, they know that fully well.

So fuck the settlers too.

 

[Lemon law]

In 1860 American slaves had no power either. But piggish American slaveholders talked to only themselves, finally did the unforgivable, and five years later, American slaves were free and American slaveholders lost everything they tried to defend.

Israel is in exactly the same position now, and ole Bozo Netanyuhu and his crazed settler
parties don't even notice they are skating on thinner and ever thinner ice.

As they think because Israel has gotten away with in for 63 years, Israel will get away with it forever.

This past decade has been an unmitigated disaster to to Israeli credibility, this past year has seen the loss of the last two Israeli allies in the mid-east, and Israel's rejection of Obama's call for a settlement freeze is probably going to become with biggest bonehead play in Israeli history. Does Israel really really think the USA, under either a democratic or Republican President, will keep vetoing anti-Israel resolutions in the security council?

Well Mubarak didn't think he could be toppled either. Either did that other apartheid State of South Africa.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

In 1860 American slaves had no power either. But piggish American slaveholders talked to only themselves, finally did the unforgivable, and five years later, American slaves were free and American slaveholders lost everything they tried to defend.

Israel is in exactly the same position now, and ole Bozo Netanyuhu and his crazed settler
parties don't even notice they are skating on thinner and ever thinner ice.

As they think because Israel has gotten away with in for 63 years, Israel will get away with it forever.

This past decade has been an unmitigated disaster to to Israeli credibility, this past year has seen the loss of the last two Israeli allies in the mid-east, and Israel's rejection of Obama's call for a settlement freeze is probably going to become with biggest bonehead play in Israeli history. Does Israel really really think the USA, under either a democratic or Republican President, will keep vetoing anti-Israel resolutions in the security council?

Well Mubarak didn't think he could be toppled either. Either did that other apartheid State of South Africa.

Yes, when comparing Jews to Nazis didn't work, go ahead and declare that they are slave owners....

I didn't think you'd go down this path again but you have no capability to stick to the point and discuss it without the utmost 88 kind of outrage against Jews, you hate us all without question, you support those who want us ALL dead.

It's not uncommon though, it's happened all througout history, your hate against Jews isn't new, not original and not something any sane person would hold.

You do realise that the closest you get to compare any of the situation to the Egypt situation would be the current uprisings against Hamas? of course you don't, Hamas aren't Jewish and you only hate Jews.

You don't matter though, in the end Israel survives because we value life while the Palestinians only value death.

 

[EagleKeeper]

LL has to keep searching to try and find something bad that he can equate the Palsetinian issue to that will make Israel look bad.

Instead of looking how the Palestinians can solve the issue in a positive way; he chooses to try and through mud, hoping that something will stick.

When the Palestinians actually want peace, they will get it. Not until then.

It is also interesting that there was only one article on this road sitaution. No other media or network jumped on it to follow up.

Maybe not news worthy or not as glamarous as the original story was laid out?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

LL has to keep searching to try and find something bad that he can equate the Palsetinian issue to that will make Israel look bad.

Instead of looking how the Palestinians can solve the issue in a positive way; he chooses to try and through mud, hoping that something will stick.

When the Palestinians actually want peace, they will get it. Not until then.

It is also interesting that there was only one article on this road sitaution. No other media or network jumped on it to follow up.

Maybe not news worthy or not as glamarous as the original story was laid out?

It's a yawn and a half, there are no protest against it because they don't want people to know what was transported at the time, Israel don't want anyone to know because they can't prove it and so here we are.

The Palestinians need to rise up against Hamas, Israel would back the people of Palestine and perhaps, in the joint effort common ground could be found for an agreement.

There are plenty of Palestinians that hate Hamas more than Israel who give them work, food and shelter while Hamas has done NOTHING but steal from the people and made their own leaders filthy rich.

One thing is for sure, the Grad rockets need to stop or there will eventually be a real problem and when that happens, Israel will carpet bomb a large area of Palestine, this time without warning the civilian population like before.

BTW, Typhoons, eh... EH? Nice job, wasn't it...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel plays the game so well. I've been on the end of their threats onboard a US Navy Destroyer. They want what they want and will never allow the Palestinians to have their own state.-- wow your so misinformed! It`s very sad and pitiful!!

So you claim....rofl....hahahaaa

So have I!! We were treated like VIP`s by the Israeli Navy!! We were welcomed with open arms, during the so called -- if you could honestly call it that --UN sanctioned PLO evacuation in 1982.

 

[kylebisme]

When did the Palestinians honor their peace agreements.

I'll tell you after you answer my question:

The Israelis purchaseda large amount of land from the original inhabitants.

What is your source for this claim?

I want to see some figures for your "large amount of land" claim. Can you not provide any?

Israel halted all settlements

Nonsense, see Cabinet approves 10-month West Bank settlement freeze:

Eleven ministers vote in favor of Netanyahu's proposal to halt construction in West Bank for 10-month period in bid to jumpstart peace talks. Eleven ministers vote in favor of initiative; two Shas ministers absent. PM says, 'I hope Arab world will seize this opportunity to promote peace.' Palestinians reject move because freeze does not include construction in east Jerusalem

And Israel didn't even honor what limited freeze they did claim, as detailed in New report by Peace Now - Eight months into the settlement freeze:

The Main Findings:
• At least 600 housing units have started to be built during the freeze, in over 60 different settlements.
• At least 492 of those housing units are in direct violation of the law of the freeze.
• During an average year (when there is no freeze) approximately 1,130 housing units start to be built in 8 months in the settlements. The new construction starts during the moratorium constitute approximately half of the normal construction pace in the settlements.
• Some 2,000 housing units are currently under construction in the settlements, most of them started before the freeze was announced in November 2009.

Palestinians would have been fools to negotiations while Israel was claiming a freeze yet continuing to expand settlements.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you claim....rofl....hahahaaa

So have I!! We were treated like VIP`s by the Israeli Navy!! We were welcomed with open arms, during the so called -- if you could honestly call it that --UN sanctioned PLO evacuation in 1982.

Bullshit, the Israeli refused access to all US vessels for quite some time after the PLO evacuation. Please prove you were in the military at that time.

 

[Lemon law]

It's a yawn and a half, there are no protest against it because they don't want people to know what was transported at the time, Israel don't want anyone to know because they can't prove it and so here we are.

The Palestinians need to rise up against Hamas, Israel would back the people of Palestine and perhaps, in the joint effort common ground could be found for an agreement.

There are plenty of Palestinians that hate Hamas more than Israel who give them work, food and shelter while Hamas has done NOTHING but steal from the people and made their own leaders filthy rich.

One thing is for sure, the Grad rockets need to stop or there will eventually be a real problem and when that happens, Israel will carpet bomb a large area of Palestine, this time without warning the civilian population like before.

BTW, Typhoons, eh... EH? Nice job, wasn't it...

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What a piece of delusional crap JOS. As we all know, the Palestinian people fragmented into two groups. One part became Hamas in Gaza, who were unwilling to renounce the use of violence to achieve their ends, and the other half in the West Bank under Fatah renounced the use of violence against Israel.

So if JOS spoke with anything but a forked tongue, we would have expected Israel, at the Annapolis peace conference to be rewarded by Israel, and found, instead, Israeli doing no such thing. And instead Israel rewarded those in the West Bank with continual Israeli settlement and Israeli settler party violence.

In short, Annapolis is where Israeli lost all credibility, its fine to have a fine propaganda line, but Israeli deeds speak louder than totally false propaganda. Israeli words just don't match Israeli deeds.

The other thing to note is that I am not anti-Semitic. I do not dislike Jews in any way, what I cannot support is the majority policies of the Government of Israel. There are a substantial minority of Jews inside of Israel who are saying the same things I am. Nor do I blindly support the Arabs or Palestinians, lots of screw ups and wrongs on all sides.

But still the point is and remains, the holy grail we should all aspire to is a mutual peace where Israel can be a peaceful and accepted part of the Mid-east. Sadly the vision is further off than it was in 1948, and in the fullness of time, if Israeli wants it all, they will end up with nothing. IMHO, Bozo Netanyuhu&co is leading Israel to disaster.

Nor will I retract my statement that the majority Israeli government has become the New Nazi concentration camp keepers, but will note, that I said Israel is now in the position of American slaveholders circa 1855-60. Which is different from saying the present Israeli government uses Palestinians as slaves. Because the Palestinians cannot free themselves, it will be world wide moral outrage against Israel that will achieve that end. All Bozo Netanyuhu is doing is stoking the world wide moral outrage against Israel.

So please feel free to call any present Israeli government critic anti-Semitic, for all the good it will do you.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What deeds did the Palestians do at Annapolis?

The Palestinians lost their credability when they did not show up to the talks after demanding and getting a settlement freeze.

Who speaks for the Palestinians now?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you claim....rofl....hahahaaa

So have I!! We were treated like VIP`s by the Israeli Navy!! We were welcomed with open arms, during the so called -- if you could honestly call it that --UN sanctioned PLO evacuation in 1982.

Dispute this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_–_United_States_relations#Reagan_administration_.281981.E2.80.931989.29

Relations also soured during the 1982 Lebanon War, when the United States even contemplated sanctions to stop the Israeli Siege of Beirut. The U.S. reminded Israel that weaponry provided by the U.S. was to be used for defensive purposes only, and suspended shipments of cluster munitions to Israel. Although the war exposed some serious differences between Israeli and U.S. policies, such as Israel's rejection of the Reagan peace plan of September 1, 1982, it did not alter the Administration's favoritism for Israel and the emphasis it placed on Israel's importance to the United States. Although critical of Israeli actions, the United States vetoed a Soviet-proposed United Nations Security Council resolution to impose an arms embargo on Israel.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Israel asks for peace while constantly expanding settlements throughout Palestinian territory under cover of a brutal military occupation. Palestinians, along with anyone who has at least two functional braincells to rub together, know that actions speak louder than words.

someone magically shows up after a few months.


Israel is settling in land it claims in the west bank. it is land that israel has in the past, counter offered pieces of land to make up for it.

Arafat was offered http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=101041



Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 5 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third.

Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places and have "religious sovereignty" over the Temple Mount.

According to U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross, Israel offered to create a Palestinian state that was contiguous, and not a series of cantons. Even in the case of the Gaza Strip, which must be physically separate from the West Bank unless Israel were to be cut into non-contiguous pieces, a solution was devised whereby an overland highway would connect the two parts of the Palestinian state without any Israeli checkpoints or interference.
The proposal also addressed the refugee issue, guaranteeing them the right of return to the Palestinian state and reparations from a $30 billion international fund that would be collected to compensate them.
Israel also agreed to give the Palestinians access to water desalinated in its territory.
Arafat was asked to agree to Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (i.e., not the entire Temple Mount), and three early warning stations in the Jordan valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years. Most important, however, Arafat was expected to agree that the conflict was over at the end of the negotiations. This was the true deal breaker. Arafat was not willing to end the conflict. "For him to end the conflict is to end himself," said Ross.30c

The prevailing view of the Camp David/White House negotiations - that Israel offered generous concessions, and that Yasser Arafat rejected them to pursue the intifada that began in September 2000 - prevailed for more than a year. To counter the perception that Arafat was the obstacle to peace, the Palestinians and their supporters then began to suggest a variety of excuses for why Arafat failed to say "yes" to a proposal that would have established a Palestinian state. The truth is that if the Palestinians were dissatisfied with any part of the Israeli proposal, all they had to do was offer a counterproposal.

They never did.

tell me, where in that offer did israel go wrong?

its everything the palestinians want, or at least what they claim they want.

all of the west bank (with some matching around), right of return, east jerusalem, etc.

what then?

 

[Craig234]

What is your source for this claim?

The Israelis, having far more money (their roads don't get bulldozed), have long used money as a way of acquiring a lot more land than Palestinians, making it look fair.

As I recall, a court decision finally had a minor impact on limiting a huge fund for buying up land for only Jews in Israel which continuously expanded the Jewish ownership of land.

It seemed pretty sleazy to me, analogous to corporations and campaign financing.

 

[Freshgeardude]

The Israelis, having far more money (their roads don't get bulldozed), have long used money as a way of acquiring a lot more land than Palestinians, making it look fair.

As I recall, a court decision finally had a minor impact on limiting a huge fund for buying up land for only Jews in Israel which continuously expanded the Jewish ownership of land.

It seemed pretty sleazy to me, analogous to corporations and campaign financing.

I do believe JOS is talking about pre-1948, where jews immigrated to the land known to day as israel and legally bought land from the population there under both the ottoman rule and under the british mandate after WWI.


Most of the land the jews bought at the time was considered useless, swampy, or dry lands. Jews in europe offered what seemed like amazing deals to the arab population living in the area, for land that was useless to them.


jews obviously invested in the land and made it worthy.

 

[SandEagle]

blah blah blah

jews obviously invested in the land and made it worthy.

with US taxpayer $$$ of course

 

[soccerballtux]

with US taxpayer $$$ of course

ah yes the $$$checks all Jews were given after Hitler was overthrown, in fact I have one right here next to me.

 

[SandEagle]

how is this thread any different than the other P/I threads? it's the same arguments in endless loops

 

[kylebisme]

The Israelis...

So you can't provide a source to support CC's "large amount" claim either, eh?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

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What a piece of delusional crap JOS. As we all know, the Palestinian people fragmented into two groups. One part became Hamas in Gaza, who were unwilling to renounce the use of violence to achieve their ends, and the other half in the West Bank under Fatah renounced the use of violence against Israel.

So if JOS spoke with anything but a forked tongue, we would have expected Israel, at the Annapolis peace conference to be rewarded by Israel, and found, instead, Israeli doing no such thing. And instead Israel rewarded those in the West Bank with continual Israeli settlement and Israeli settler party violence.

In short, Annapolis is where Israeli lost all credibility, its fine to have a fine propaganda line, but Israeli deeds speak louder than totally false propaganda. Israeli words just don't match Israeli deeds.

The other thing to note is that I am not anti-Semitic. I do not dislike Jews in any way, what I cannot support is the majority policies of the Government of Israel. There are a substantial minority of Jews inside of Israel who are saying the same things I am. Nor do I blindly support the Arabs or Palestinians, lots of screw ups and wrongs on all sides.

But still the point is and remains, the holy grail we should all aspire to is a mutual peace where Israel can be a peaceful and accepted part of the Mid-east. Sadly the vision is further off than it was in 1948, and in the fullness of time, if Israeli wants it all, they will end up with nothing. IMHO, Bozo Netanyuhu&co is leading Israel to disaster.

Nor will I retract my statement that the majority Israeli government has become the New Nazi concentration camp keepers, but will note, that I said Israel is now in the position of American slaveholders circa 1855-60. Which is different from saying the present Israeli government uses Palestinians as slaves. Because the Palestinians cannot free themselves, it will be world wide moral outrage against Israel that will achieve that end. All Bozo Netanyuhu is doing is stoking the world wide moral outrage against Israel.

So please feel free to call any present Israeli government critic anti-Semitic, for all the good it will do you.

To quote a the great philosopher George Carlin: BLOW IT OUT YOUR ARSE!

It's what you twats do anyway, fart and claim it smells like lilies even though everyone can smell it, you do have to understand that the lies you tell to yourself fool no one but yourself.

Idiot.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What deeds did the Palestians do at Annapolis?

The Palestinians lost their credability when they did not show up to the talks after demanding and getting a settlement freeze.

Who speaks for the Palestinians now?

In a forum where Jews can be called Nazis without so much as a warning but savages cannot be called savages because they are of a certain race you cannot expect much.

You and me know that it's Hamas, the coalition of Islamic jihad and a few outher terrorist organisations...

I bet LemonCUNT still thinks it's the "palestinian authority" lol... he thinks so because it's all he has left... perhaps think is too strong of a word, he's told so.

 

[SandEagle]

To quote a the great philosopher George Carlin: BLOW IT OUT YOUR ARSE!

It's what you twats do anyway, fart and claim it smells like lilies even though everyone can smell it, you do have to understand that the lies you tell to yourself fool no one but yourself.

Idiot.

I agree with him, now what?

Why don't you argue with what he posted instead of making an even bigger fool out of yourself. :awe:

almost a 1000 views. yessssss!

 

[Matt1970]

What he missed is that Israel retreated land and disassmbled settlements WAY more recent than that and the response was to use the area to try to kill more Israelis.

So true. All you need to do is turn on the news in the last 10 years and it's staring you right in the face.