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Israel Deliberately Bombs UNRWA School (Incorrect Title)

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1) There is no commentary added to the copied text.

2) There is nothing in the story that states that the school was targeted. The story states that shells exploded near the school. Given the source of the article, had they felt the school was targeted, it would have been in bold print as the headlines or the first paragraph.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/n.../2009169564177230.html
Scores killed as Gaza school hit

A boy, who fled his house with his family seeks refuge at a UN school in Gaza [Reuters]

Israeli strikes have killed at least 40 people who took refuge inside a UN school in the Gaza Strip, medics have said.

The strike on Tuesday hit near a school run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, in the northern town of Jabaliya.

Medical sources at two Gaza hospitals said two tank shells exploded outside the school, spraying shrapnel on people inside and outside the building, where hundreds of Palestinians had sought refuge from fighting between Israeli soldiers and Hamas fighters.

The toll quickly rose as rescuers struggled through the rubble.

In addition to the dead, several dozen people were wounded, the officials said.

Doctors said all the dead were either people sheltering in the school or residents of Jabalya refugee camp, in the north of the Gaza Strip.

Earlier in the day, two people were killed when an artillery shell slammed into a school in the southern town of Khan Yunis and three people were killed in an air strike on a school in the Shati refugee camp in Gaza City, medics said.

The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports.

More than 630 people have been killed and 2800 others wounded in the 11-day operation, most of them civilians.

A top UN humanitarian official has condemned the violence and demanded an investigation.

Widening the operation

The Israeli military also appears to be broadening its assault on the Gaza Strip as heavy artillery fire is reported from the southern Gazan city of Khan Younis.

Palestinian witnesses said Israeli tanks have moved into Khan Younis, the second biggest urban area in the Strip after Gaza City, in what seems to be an attempt to isolate it from Rafah.

Ayman Mohyeldin, Al Jazeera?s correspondent in Gaza, said Khan Younis is strategically significant on several levels - including that Palestinian fighters can fire missiles into Israeli territory from there.

He stressed reporting teams cannot confirm the reports as they are unable to reach the south from Gaza City in the north because the Strip has been effectively dissected by a column of Israel troops.

Mohyeldin also said Palestinian factions had reported that the Israeli navy was attempting to land near the central coastal city of Deir al-Balah ? the scene of more intense fighting - on Tuesday.

"There was very intense shelling overnight and people woke to the presence of ground forces in and around Khan Younis this morning," he said.

Four Israeli soldiers were killed and 24 wounded in battles around Gaza City on Monday night, the Israeli military said early on Tuesday, bringing the Israeli death toll to eight.

Nowhere to hide

Fierce clashes between Israeli troops and Palestinian fighters were also reported in Jabaliya in the northern Gaza Strip and two black plumes of smoke could be seen rising over the area.

Fares Akram, a Gaza city resident, told Al Jazeera there was "no safe place in Gaza" as "the Israeli war planes don't stop dropping bombs and firing missiles into Gaza".

Akram says his wife, who is nine-months pregnant, is living in fear of going into labour both because of how dangerous it is to leave their home and because "she knows hospitals in Gaza are in chaos".

He said that while Gazans appreciated demonstrations staged across the Arab world in protest at Israel's actions in the Strip, most believe that while the US backs the Israeli offensive the assault will continue.

In addition, the humanitarian situation in Gaza ? already poor following the 18-month Israeli blockade of the strip that left the territory desperately short of fuel, food and medical supplies ? is worsening.

John Ging, head of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), said he was "shocked" by "the brutality of the injuries" he had seen during a visit to the Shifa hospital in Gaza.

'Absence of accountability'

He said: "There are very real shortages of medicine. This hospital has not had electricity for four days. If the generators go down, those in intensive care will die. This is a horrific tragedy here, and it is getting worse by the moment.

Smoke rises after an Israel air strike near the border between Egypt and Gaza [AFP]
Ging described the situation as "the consequences of political failure and complete absence of accountability for this military action" and appealed for political leaders in the region and around the world to "take on the responsibility".

A number of diplomatic initiatives are under way in the region, with Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, visiting Israel and Syria on Tuesday for talks aimed at brokering a ceasefire.

Sarkozy, speaking with Bashar al-Assad, his Syrian counterpart, called on Syria to use its weight to influence Hamas.

"Syria needs to apply its weight to both sides, but in particular to Hamas that the missile attacks stop,? he said in the Syrian capital, Damascus.

"Syria has to convince Hamas to make a choice for peace, reason and logic and that they themselves become the agent of reconciling Palestinians. We have to get to the point where we can solve this problem.

"There are still a few hours left for us to carry on talking, but I am convinced if both sides are prepared to take the first step, the fighting can stop. The images we have seen are unbearable for all of us.

"It is up to each side to make the first step, with help from Europe, Turkey and Egypt... to escape the spiral of violence and replace it with a spiral of peace."

Israel launched its offensive on the Strip after a fragile six-month ceasefire with Hamas ? the Palestinian faction that controls Gaza ? ended on December 19.

Both sides blame each other for the failure of the ceasefire, with Israel saying Palestinian fighters breached the truce by firing rockets into southern Israel.

Hamas, and other Palestinian groups, say the truce could not be extended because Israel failed to lift its crippling siege of the Strip.
 
Israel doesn't care if a building says UN or if a truck that says UN tells them to stop.

They'll bomb it. Israel hates the UN. Thinks of it as a joke
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.
You're simply outright lying about the situation. This thread needs to be locked

There is only ONE school that apparently was actually bombed, which was NOT the UNRWA school in question. We also have no evidence it was deliberately bombed, (bombs do miss even today) and the comparatively low number of deaths involved means it could have been due to shrapnel and the blast effects rather than a direct hit.

Another school was apparently hit by an artillery shell, which could easily be a stray one where apparently twp person were killed, which we don't even know given the reports if the people were civilians or Hamas fighters.

Given the current news report, in the main case the two tank shells exploded near the school, and didn't actually hit it.

The obvious question if whether Hamas fighters deliberately positioned themselves and fought from positions around the school in which case they bear enormous responsibility for what happened. (The Israeli tank crews may have not been aware that a school was right there let alone that civilians were specifically sheltering inside.)
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.
You're simply outright lying about the situation. This thread needs to be locked

There is only ONE school that apparently was actually bombed, which was NOT the UNRWA school in question.

Another school was apparently hit by an artillery shell, which could easily be a stray one where apparently twp person were killed, which we don't even know given the reports if the person was a civilian or Hamas fighter.

Given the current news report, in the main case the two tank shells exploded near the school, and didn't actually hit it.

The obvious question if whether Hamas fighters deliberately positioned themselves and fought from positions around the school in which case they bear enormous responsibility for what happened. (The Israeli tank crews may have not been aware that a school was right there let alone that civilians were specifically sheltering inside.)


IDF youtube channel has this video of this situation from 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.
You're simply outright lying about the situation. This thread needs to be locked

There is only ONE school that apparently was actually bombed, which was NOT the UNRWA school in question. We also have no evidence it was deliberately bombed, (bombs do miss even today) and the comparatively low number of deaths involved means it could have been due to shrapnel and the blast effects rather than a direct hit.

Another school was apparently hit by an artillery shell, which could easily be a stray one where apparently twp person were killed, which we don't even know given the reports if the people were civilians or Hamas fighters.

Given the current news report, in the main case the two tank shells exploded near the school, and didn't actually hit it.

The obvious question if whether Hamas fighters deliberately positioned themselves and fought from positions around the school in which case they bear enormous responsibility for what happened. (The Israeli tank crews may have not been aware that a school was right there let alone that civilians were specifically sheltering inside.)

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! aljazeera as a source.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053138.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...6/gaza-israel-death-un
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...schools_in_gaza_c.html

This story just broke (NY Daily News posted their story less than 20 minutes ago). I cite Al Jazeera because they are in the Middle East.
 
hey putz, if Israel's goal was to kill civilians they're doing a piss poor job of it. Is it the US's goal to blow up weddings and civilians in Afghanistan or does that shit sometimes happen when you are dropping bombs? I'll let you figure out that tough question.
 
It doesn't matter what color the schools are painted.

The video posted by sciwizam shows that Hamas has no care for schools or hospitals or any other 'laws of war' and will do whatever they can to gain advantage, including hiding and firing from schools and hospitals.

Here another wonderful video that shows gunmen using an ambulance as a troop carrier
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! aljazeera as a source.

No Kidding!

I posted the same exact story from Haaretz (Israel's largest newspaper), The Guardian, and NY Daily News. Haaretz on its own should be enough to shut a meshuggunnah like you up.
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Have you ever been to Israel? Gaza? The West Bank?

Yeah, I wouldn't start going out a limb there declaring that this school was "hard to miss" until you see it for yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.

The reality is that the UN does everything it can be to be noticed, but in the confusion and clutter of much of Gaza combined with the confusion of a war, it's entirely possible that nobody noticed or even saw the school. Not to mention, you completely ignore the possibility that the IDF was engaged with Hamas fighters who either inadvertently or deliberately took refuge next to or in front of the building.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Have you ever been to Israel? Gaza? The West Bank?

Yeah, I wouldn't start going out a limb there declaring that this school was "hard to miss" until you see it for yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.

The reality is that the UN does everything it can be to be noticed, but in the confusion and clutter of much of Gaza combined with the confusion of a war, it's entirely possible that nobody noticed or even saw the school. Not to mention, you completely ignore the possibility that the IDF was engaged with Hamas fighters who either inadvertently or deliberately took refuge next to or in front of the building.

I have actually, and to many refugee camps in the West Bank and Jordan as well. The schools are always in a compound of other UNRWA buildings, like clinics, administrative offices, and community halls. All painted white and sky blue, all with UNRWA signs.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.
Seems like you are blindly attacking his view without understanding that Israel previosuly occupied Gaza for decades; they know their way around the place.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.
Seems like you are blindly attacking his view without understanding that Israel previosuly occupied Gaza for decades; they know their way around the place.

I didn't think my attack was blind, it was simply pointing out the assumptions he made in reaching the conclusion posted in his title.

Are you arguing that a single IDF tank crew or commander should have known there was a school at a specific location because Israel had occupied the Gaza strip for years?

Like I said in my previous post, it is possible that the IDF attacked a school for no reason. It's also completely possible that it was an accident, something neither you nor the OP are even willing to consider.
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! aljazeera as a source.

No Kidding!

I posted the same exact story from Haaretz (Israel's largest newspaper), The Guardian, and NY Daily News. Haaretz on its own should be enough to shut a meshuggunnah like you up.
And none of those said it was deliberate, either.

Are you going to change your fallacious thread title?

 
Why is it a troll thread? We've had threads which point out Hamas was targetting civilians on purpose many times before, and this is just the reverse, but now its troll? Why because Israel is always assumed innocent while hamas is always assumed guilty?
 
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