Israel Deliberately Bombs UNRWA School (Incorrect Title)

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Are you arguing that a single IDF tank crew or commander should have known there was a school at a specific location because Israel had occupied the Gaza strip for years?

Essentially, it isn't like they were venturing into uncharted territory. Perhaps the crew and the commander were not well prepared for the mission, but that only pushes the fault further up the later.

Also, it wasn't just a matter of years, but decades. Israel held Gaza from 1967 to 2005, colonizing the land with Israel civilian settlers guarded by military occupation, just as Israel contenues to do in the West Bank today.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't care if a building says UN or if a truck that says UN tells them to stop.

They'll bomb it. Israel hates the UN. Thinks of it as a joke

The UN hates jews and Israel too.

 

[RichardE]

I'm missing where you got the deliberately from? Can you show me, maybe it is because its early.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Why is it a troll thread? We've had threads which point out Hamas was targetting civilians on purpose many times before, and this is just the reverse, but now its troll? Why because Israel is always assumed innocent while hamas is always assumed guilty?

Because Hamas publicly states that they will kill civilians and use there own civilians as fodder, if you can find Israel stating as much I would be all ears.

As it stands I do not see how the OP got his "deliberate" mention, do you see it?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.

You're simply outright lying about the situation. This thread needs to be locked

There is only ONE school that apparently was actually bombed, which was NOT the UNRWA school in question. We also have no evidence it was deliberately bombed, (bombs do miss even today) and the comparatively low number of deaths involved means it could have been due to shrapnel and the blast effects rather than a direct hit.

Another school was apparently hit by an artillery shell, which could easily be a stray one where apparently twp person were killed, which we don't even know given the reports if the people were civilians or Hamas fighters.

Given the current news report, in the main case the two tank shells exploded near the school, and didn't actually hit it.

The obvious question if whether Hamas fighters deliberately positioned themselves and fought from positions around the school in which case they bear enormous responsibility for what happened. (The Israeli tank crews may have not been aware that a school was right there let alone that civilians were specifically sheltering inside.)

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! aljazeera as a source.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053138.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...6/gaza-israel-death-un
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...schools_in_gaza_c.html

This story just broke (NY Daily News posted their story less than 20 minutes ago). I cite Al Jazeera because they are in the Middle East.

:roll:

Israeli sources said that militants barricaded in the school had opened fire on IDF soldiers.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Why is it a troll thread? We've had threads which point out Hamas was targetting civilians on purpose many times before, and this is just the reverse, but now its troll? Why because Israel is always assumed innocent while hamas is always assumed guilty?

We already know that Hamas purposefully targets civilians. That's no secret. The Hamas apologists in here have decided that instead of acknowledging that fact they'll try to accuse Israel of the same thing when such a claim is unsubstantiated. Not only that, but we've already seen the Hamas propaganda stories in here, accusing Israel of atrocities that weren't their doing. Is this story yet another one of those?

That's why Israel gets the benefit of the doubt when Hamas does not, and explains why it's a troll thread. This thread contains baseless accusations and a highly distorted thread title containing unfounded accusations.

 

[dphantom]

Tank Shell kills 3 Israeli soldiers

Just so you know mrsheik that Isreal is playing fair, they are now shelling their own troops - according to you that would be deliberate.

My point is that in war, innocents get killed. Tanks, aircraft ships and infantry all can hit the wrong target by accident or malfunction. Israel is definitely not deliberatly targeting schools or other civilian targets and certainly not their own people unlike Hamas who are hiding and fighting behind civilians.

And BTW, a topic summary is not enough OP input to avoid a lock. You may have gotten lucky.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Why is it a troll thread? We've had threads which point out Hamas was targetting civilians on purpose many times before, and this is just the reverse, but now its troll? Why because Israel is always assumed innocent while hamas is always assumed guilty?

Oh please. Stop being so fucking obtuse.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No video this time for the propaganda? :laugh:

There's a picture of the school on fire. And there are already 40 confirmed dead. And they bombed TWO other schools.

You're simply outright lying about the situation. This thread needs to be locked

There is only ONE school that apparently was actually bombed, which was NOT the UNRWA school in question. We also have no evidence it was deliberately bombed, (bombs do miss even today) and the comparatively low number of deaths involved means it could have been due to shrapnel and the blast effects rather than a direct hit.

Another school was apparently hit by an artillery shell, which could easily be a stray one where apparently twp person were killed, which we don't even know given the reports if the people were civilians or Hamas fighters.

Given the current news report, in the main case the two tank shells exploded near the school, and didn't actually hit it.

The obvious question if whether Hamas fighters deliberately positioned themselves and fought from positions around the school in which case they bear enormous responsibility for what happened. (The Israeli tank crews may have not been aware that a school was right there let alone that civilians were specifically sheltering inside.)

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! aljazeera as a source.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053138.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...6/gaza-israel-death-un
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...schools_in_gaza_c.html

This story just broke (NY Daily News posted their story less than 20 minutes ago). I cite Al Jazeera because they are in the Middle East.

:roll:

Israeli sources said that militants barricaded in the school had opened fire on IDF soldiers.

Happened in Lebanon. Wouldn't be out of character for a government that says it values using innocents as human shields to think that Israel would let themselves be killed raher than firing at people using a UN building as cover.

Tragic for the people inside though Hopefully Hamas can be removed permanently so that the people of palestine are no longer held captive by them and used by them in there disillusioned holy war.



Edit: Is also fits the witness accounts that says the shells landed outside the building (Where Israel says the fighters were) If Israel was going to destroy the building it would have landed on the building.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't care if a building says UN or if a truck that says UN tells them to stop.

They'll bomb it. Israel hates the UN. Thinks of it as a joke

The UN hates jews and Israel too.

lol...yea those damn nazis of the UN

 

[SamurAchzar]

Well, IDF spokesman claims the Palestinians were shooting mortars out from that school :roll: Hopefully they will produce footage - but that wouldn't be a first. I'm very fond of the shoot-back-at-source-no-questions-asked policy.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JS80
The UN hates jews and Israel too.

The UN just hates war, and Israel's colonization brings perpetual war. Granted, if you belive Israel's contenting expansion of civilian colonists into Palestinian land is inherently Jewish, then I can see how you misunderstand the UN's position against war. However, most of the world knows there is nothing Jewish about Israel's expansionism, including many Jews, some of whom work with the UN to help bring an end to this conlifct.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Have you ever been to Israel? Gaza? The West Bank?

Yeah, I wouldn't start going out a limb there declaring that this school was "hard to miss" until you see it for yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.

The reality is that the UN does everything it can be to be noticed, but in the confusion and clutter of much of Gaza combined with the confusion of a war, it's entirely possible that nobody noticed or even saw the school. Not to mention, you completely ignore the possibility that the IDF was engaged with Hamas fighters who either inadvertently or deliberately took refuge next to or in front of the building.

I have actually, and to many refugee camps in the West Bank and Jordan as well. The schools are always in a compound of other UNRWA buildings, like clinics, administrative offices, and community halls. All painted white and sky blue, all with UNRWA signs.

What if the terrorists were attacking them from said compound, would the IDF be allowed to shoot back?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't care if a building says UN or if a truck that says UN tells them to stop.

They'll bomb it. Israel hates the UN. Thinks of it as a joke

The UN hates jews and Israel too.

lol...yea those damn nazis of the UN

Cuba
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
Lebanon
Libya
Pakistan
Russia
Rwanda
Somalia
Syria
Saudi Arabia
Europe

Just to name a few UN members.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Well, IDF spokesman claims the Palestinians were shooting mortars out from that school :roll: Hopefully they will produce footage - but that wouldn't be a first. I'm very fond of the shoot-back-at-source-no-questions-asked policy.

If a tank was going down the street and came under fire I doubt they had a map to reference *safe spots* civilians *might* be at. Do you expect the tank to sit there under fire and do nothing?

Try putting the blame where this belongs for once, it is tragic about the civilians that died, but if Israel was shooting at people *in the school* it would have hit the school, but Israel and the people inside the school said the shells landed outside the school where the fire was coming from.

The civilians should have left the area, Hamas should not have shot at that tank from an area where many civilians were (If they had known, I can see the civilians hiding in the school from both Israel and Hamas). In all likelihood this was an accident and neither side meant for this to happen. (I would imagine if Hamas knew civilians were inside the school they would have moved inside and Israel would have destroyed the school entirely.)

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

UNRWA schools are painted blue and white, they're hard to miss.

Have you ever been to Israel? Gaza? The West Bank?

Yeah, I wouldn't start going out a limb there declaring that this school was "hard to miss" until you see it for yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're blindly defending one view -- that Israeli's saw a big painted building sitting in the middle of a well-organized block with clearly painted signs and decided to blow it up.

The reality is that the UN does everything it can be to be noticed, but in the confusion and clutter of much of Gaza combined with the confusion of a war, it's entirely possible that nobody noticed or even saw the school. Not to mention, you completely ignore the possibility that the IDF was engaged with Hamas fighters who either inadvertently or deliberately took refuge next to or in front of the building.

I have actually, and to many refugee camps in the West Bank and Jordan as well. The schools are always in a compound of other UNRWA buildings, like clinics, administrative offices, and community halls. All painted white and sky blue, all with UNRWA signs.

What if the terrorists were attacking them from said compound, would the IDF be allowed to shoot back?

Of course, if Israeli soldiers ran in to shoot from inside a Rabbinical school, Hamas would not fire upon it.

 

[Jaskalas]

The price in blood for ending terrorism THIS year, will be FAR less than the price in blood for letting it continue to flourish for decades. If you stop Israel now, the blood of future generations is on your hands.

 

[bbdub333]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...ml?eref=rss_topstories

The Israeli military said Hamas militants positioned in a U.N. school in northern Gaza fired mortars shells at Israeli forces today, prompting Israeli forces to return fire, according to its initial investigation. Three artillery shells believed to have been fired by the Israeli forces struck near the perimeter of the school in Jabalya, killing at least 30 people and wounding 55, according to a U.N. official.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...ml?eref=rss_topstories

The Israeli military said Hamas militants positioned in a U.N. school in northern Gaza fired mortars shells at Israeli forces today, prompting Israeli forces to return fire, according to its initial investigation. Three artillery shells believed to have been fired by the Israeli forces struck near the perimeter of the school in Jabalya, killing at least 30 people and wounding 55, according to a U.N. official.

I wonder if Hamas forces palestinian civilians to stay where they are after Israel drops notice that they are invading that area.

 

[Anubis]

GOOD!

One side, I really couldn?t care less which really just needs to say FUCK IT to the bullshit "rules of war" and just destroy the other side and kill every last one of them so this BS can finally end. Because honestly that is the only thing that will stop this. There has been fighting there since the dawn of time and it will go on until the end of time unless one side annihilates the other.

Stuff like this will only speed up the fuck it decision by one side.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's why Israel gets the benefit of the doubt when Hamas does not, and explains why it's a troll thread. This thread contains baseless accusations and a highly distorted thread title containing unfounded accusations.

This entire propaganda thing, Israel this, Hamas that, its all smoke and mirrors. Actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter who blows up civilians intentionally, the result is that both sides are have civilian losses, and palestians seem to always get the ass whooping. Right or wrong... Palestians always seem to be on the losing side, and to me that seems like they are being oppressed. It reminds me of the USA in the 1950's with racial tensions. Blacks being oppressed by whites, and having them fight and protest. Thank goodness blacks didn't fire rockets into white neighbhorhoods because that would have been a huge issue, and if they did, they probably would have got their ass kicked like palestians are now. But in the black perspective, it would have been the right thing to do, much like it would have been the whites perspective that kickering their ass would have been the right thing to do. But when you clear all the bullshit, what do you have?

And as JS80 points out, militants barricaded the school and fired on IDF... What do you expect them to do? Their people were in the school and military fighters (terrorists/militants whatever label you want to put on them) were defending the position against IDF who have been bombing them and fighting them and who rolled up in their tanks. But of course who did that news bit come from? Was that a news article from Israeli sources? JS80 quote said it was. What would you expect them to say? As the saying goes "History is written by the winners."

The oppressors can say whatever they want, but it doesn't make it right...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's why Israel gets the benefit of the doubt when Hamas does not, and explains why it's a troll thread. This thread contains baseless accusations and a highly distorted thread title containing unfounded accusations.

This entire propaganda thing, Israel this, Hamas that, its all smoke and mirrors. Actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter who blows up civilians intentionally, the result is that both sides are have civilian losses, and palestians seem to always get the ass whooping. Right or wrong... Palestians always seem to be on the losing side, and to me that seems like they are being oppressed. It reminds me of the USA in the 1950's with racial tensions. Blacks being oppressed by whites, and having them fight and protest. Thank goodness blacks didn't fire rockets into white neighbhorhoods because that would have been a huge issue, and if they did, they probably would have got their ass kicked like palestians are now. But in the black perspective, it would have been the right thing to do, much like it would have been the whites perspective that kickering their ass would have been the right thing to do. But when you clear all the bullshit, what do you have?

And as JS80 points out, militants barricaded the school and fired on IDF... What do you expect them to do? Their people were in the school and military fighters (terrorists/militants whatever label you want to put on them) were defending the position against IDF who have been bombing them and fighting them and who rolled up in their tanks. But of course who did that news bit come from? Was that a news article from Israeli sources? JS80 quote said it was. What would you expect them to say? As the saying goes "History is written by the winners."

The oppressors can say whatever they want, but it doesn't make it right...

Do you think Hamas helped the civilians in the school escape out the back door, or do you think they made them stand next to them expecting to die?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's why Israel gets the benefit of the doubt when Hamas does not, and explains why it's a troll thread. This thread contains baseless accusations and a highly distorted thread title containing unfounded accusations.

This entire propaganda thing, Israel this, Hamas that, its all smoke and mirrors. Actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter who blows up civilians intentionally, the result is that both sides are have civilian losses, and palestians seem to always get the ass whooping. Right or wrong... Palestians always seem to be on the losing side, and to me that seems like they are being oppressed. It reminds me of the USA in the 1950's with racial tensions. Blacks being oppressed by whites, and having them fight and protest. Thank goodness blacks didn't fire rockets into white neighbhorhoods because that would have been a huge issue, and if they did, they probably would have got their ass kicked like palestians are now. But in the black perspective, it would have been the right thing to do, much like it would have been the whites perspective that kickering their ass would have been the right thing to do. But when you clear all the bullshit, what do you have?

And as JS80 points out, militants barricaded the school and fired on IDF... What do you expect them to do? Their people were in the school and military fighters (terrorists/militants whatever label you want to put on them) were defending the position against IDF who have been bombing them and fighting them and who rolled up in their tanks. But of course who did that news bit come from? Was that a news article from Israeli sources? JS80 quote said it was. What would you expect them to say? As the saying goes "History is written by the winners."

The oppressors can say whatever they want, but it doesn't make it right...

I love how you ignore the fact the people inside the buildings story supports the Israel version of events.

It's ok though, I am sure Hamas never uses civilian positions as cover and is a well moraled institution worthy of the praise you guys heep on them.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's why Israel gets the benefit of the doubt when Hamas does not, and explains why it's a troll thread. This thread contains baseless accusations and a highly distorted thread title containing unfounded accusations.

This entire propaganda thing, Israel this, Hamas that, its all smoke and mirrors. Actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter who blows up civilians intentionally, the result is that both sides are have civilian losses, and palestians seem to always get the ass whooping. Right or wrong... Palestians always seem to be on the losing side, and to me that seems like they are being oppressed. It reminds me of the USA in the 1950's with racial tensions. Blacks being oppressed by whites, and having them fight and protest. Thank goodness blacks didn't fire rockets into white neighbhorhoods because that would have been a huge issue, and if they did, they probably would have got their ass kicked like palestians are now. But in the black perspective, it would have been the right thing to do, much like it would have been the whites perspective that kickering their ass would have been the right thing to do. But when you clear all the bullshit, what do you have?

And as JS80 points out, militants barricaded the school and fired on IDF... What do you expect them to do? Their people were in the school and military fighters (terrorists/militants whatever label you want to put on them) were defending the position against IDF who have been bombing them and fighting them and who rolled up in their tanks. But of course who did that news bit come from? Was that a news article from Israeli sources? JS80 quote said it was. What would you expect them to say? As the saying goes "History is written by the winners."

The oppressors can say whatever they want, but it doesn't make it right...

I love how you ignore the fact the people inside the buildings story supports the Israel version of events.

It's ok though, I am sure Hamas never uses civilian positions as cover and is a well moraled institution worthy of the praise you guys heep on them.

any links to go with that?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Anubis
GOOD!

One side, I really couldn?t care less which really just needs to say FUCK IT to the bullshit "rules of war" and just destroy the other side and kill every last one of them so this BS can finally end. Because honestly that is the only thing that will stop this. There has been fighting there since the dawn of time and it will go on until the end of time unless one side annihilates the other.

Stuff like this will only speed up the fuck it decision by one side.

You speak the truth. Thank you.