Israel 'cuts Palestinian water'

[DanDaManJC]

So... did anyone read the Amnesty International report? How about proving the report wrong rather than blindly trusting the Israeli government...

here's a link too:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/libr...20c/mde150272009en.pdf

That said, they seem to make a pretty strong case and back up their claims with more sources. That would mean the israelis are the bad guys in this case. Of course killing 300 children isn't nice either.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: chucky2
My point is that Jews should know better than anyone what it's like to be oppressed, forced into impossible situations, and treated like sh1t.

Some Jews do, but Israel treats those who survived the Nazi genocide like shit too. Not nearly as much so as Palestinians, but like shit regardless.

Originally posted by: chucky2
Lets say all that is true: I'm not a history expect...

John isn't a history expert either, or even a student. With respect to that, I recommend not just letting him get by pretending what he says is true, but rather asking him to cite sources to back up his claims, at which point you will find that he can't.

Originally posted by: chucky2
Not likely, but, with enough Macallan in me, I might try it...

I respect a man who appreciates good whiskey, but have to agree with John's suggestion that Laphroaig and Lagavulin are better, and yeah both are imported to us in the US. Anyway, I'll take this as a cue to break out the Balvenie.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

I respect a man who appreciates good whiskey, but have to agree with John's suggestion that Laphroaig and Lagavulin are better, and yeah both are imported to us in the US. Anyway, I'll take this as a cue to break out the Balvenie.

Short derail: Bushmill's Black Label (a.k.a. "black bush"): the oldest distillery in the world (1608) - we invented whiskey.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: DanDaManJC
So... did anyone read the Amnesty International report? How about proving the report wrong rather than blindly trusting the Israeli government...

here's a link too:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/libr...20c/mde150272009en.pdf

That said, they seem to make a pretty strong case and back up their claims with more sources. That would mean the israelis are the bad guys in this case. Of course killing 300 children isn't nice either.

Not nice at all, but it doesn't matter, Israel is our friend and they were Palestinian children deliberately placed in the line of fire to create a media backlash against the brave warriors of the IDF.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
Short derail: Bushmill's Black Label (a.k.a. "black bush"): the oldest distillery in the world (1608) - we invented whiskey.

I've seen the bottle around, but never tried it. I'll take your recommendation to put it on my to-do list though. The Balvenie Doublewood is my preferred drink, having a wonderfully spicy flavor I've yet to find a whiskey to top, even among those costing considerably more.

 

[Lemon law]

This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

there is also plenty of sympathy/support for the Palestinian terrorists that deliberately put 300 children in harms way and pass the buck on responsibility for terrorist actions

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

 

[piasabird]

In the old days they would also Dig a Well. Maybe they should get a staff and beat on a rock like Moses???

If Palestinians spent less money on killing jews and more time on improving their infrastructure maybe they would be better off. If they got money for ammunition and bombs, then they have enough funds to procure water.

So why do palestinians attack the source of most of their water? If they want to do war with the people that have the water, then maybe they want to die? Let them get water from the Nile through Egypt or from Jordan or Syria.

On the other hand, one way the illegal Isreali Settlers attack Palestinians is to attack their water sources. This May be the one resource that is most valuable. Often Settlers destroy rooftop holding tanks and cisterns of the palestinians. Makes you wander why there is anyone left to kill in Isreal.

It was isreal that built resevoirs and diverted water from the Jordan River during seasonal floods. Without Isreal there would be no glut of clean water to drink. When they built the fence they cut off access to a lot of water.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

there is also plenty of sympathy/support for the Palestinian terrorists that deliberately put 300 children in harms way and pass the buck on responsibility for terrorist actions

and we aren't short of idiots either.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

You're right, I should go see a shrink and the Palestinians should go thirsty. After all, it is their fault for failing to invest in their water supply. Clearly it's not a case of Israel depriving them of drinking water: we all know that Israel is on our side and wouldn't engage in such depraved actions. You should be proud of Israel and each Palestinian child that goes thirsty or becomes ill due to a lack of clean drinking water brings you one step closer to your goal and one step closer to God: praise be.

 

[0marTheZealot]

You use what you learned best. Why do you think the Nazis limited Jews to potatoes in dirty water? It's effective at breaking the collective spirit.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

You're right, I should go see a shrink and the Palestinians should go thirsty. After all, it is their fault for failing to invest in their water supply. Clearly it's not a case of Israel depriving them of drinking water: we all know that Israel is on our side and wouldn't engage in such depraved actions. You should be proud of Israel and each Palestinian child that goes thirsty or becomes ill due to a lack of clean drinking water brings you one step closer to your goal and one step closer to God: praise be.

Before the Jews arrived, much of Palestine was desert. The Jews in the first half of the 1900s started to impilment irrigation of the arid land - allowing more crops and settlement growth.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire thread has a horribly flaw thesis. We start out with the news that various human rights groups are making the allegation that Israel is denying the Palestinians in the West Bank proper access to water. The BBC then reports that human rights group as something that is news, now explain to me why this becomes BBC propaganda.

We can debate weather the charge made by human rights groups have a basis in fact or not, but unless someone advocates complete censorship of any and all Israeli coverage that is not glowing and positive, we cannot fault the BBC for reporting the news.

Sure you can. This is Anandtech, and IDF sympathy runs strong.

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

You're right, I should go see a shrink and the Palestinians should go thirsty. After all, it is their fault for failing to invest in their water supply. Clearly it's not a case of Israel depriving them of drinking water: we all know that Israel is on our side and wouldn't engage in such depraved actions. You should be proud of Israel and each Palestinian child that goes thirsty or becomes ill due to a lack of clean drinking water brings you one step closer to your goal and one step closer to God: praise be.

Before the Jews arrived, much of Palestine was desert. The Jews in the first half of the 1900s started to impilment irrigation of the arid land - allowing more crops and settlement growth.

You're right, I congratulate the Jews on their advances in irrigation in the region. Indeed, they've done such a marvellous job, perhaps we should simply let them deprive Palestinian children of water. If I design a combine harvester, do you think I could get away with robbing a bank?

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Red IrishHamas didn't drop the shells that killed 200 children last Christmas, despite your sad attempts to place full responsibility on their shoulders.

Originally posted by: Red IrishYou argue that Hamas forced Israel to commit these atrocities, I argue that no provocation justifies almost 200 dead children, amongst a total of 309 dead civilians,

Originally posted by: Red IrishI find it incredible that you think killing 200 kids is the way forward.

Originally posted by: Red Irishyou both attempt to justify military action that caused the deaths of 300-400 civilians, including many women and children.

Originally posted by: Red IrishYou are simply another apologist for Israel's bombardment of civilian areas, which, as you know, led to the death of over 300 children.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

I think he needs it. He just keeps repeating the same lie over and over again, like he is trying to convince himself true something he knows to be false. I guess that is the classic definition of doublethink, which Orwell did describe as a kind of "controlled insanity".

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Red IrishHamas didn't drop the shells that killed 200 children last Christmas, despite your sad attempts to place full responsibility on their shoulders.

Originally posted by: Red IrishYou argue that Hamas forced Israel to commit these atrocities, I argue that no provocation justifies almost 200 dead children, amongst a total of 309 dead civilians,

Originally posted by: Red IrishI find it incredible that you think killing 200 kids is the way forward.

Originally posted by: Red Irishyou both attempt to justify military action that caused the deaths of 300-400 civilians, including many women and children.

Originally posted by: Red IrishYou are simply another apologist for Israel's bombardment of civilian areas, which, as you know, led to the death of over 300 children.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

actually you need have many issues...did you ever think about getting professional help???

I think he needs it. He just keeps repeating the same lie over and over again, like he is trying to convince himself true something he knows to be false. I guess that is the classic definition of doublethink, which Orwell did describe as a kind of "controlled insanity".

300 children weren't killed by Israeli shelling? You should inform UNICEF that they have got their facts wrong:

http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/15/top3.htm

Thanks for the publicity, this is an important point and we need to raise awareness of the consequences of Israel's actions at each available opportunity, particularly in this forum, where, between you and me, there are a lot of IDF braindead bigots.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
300 children weren't killed by Israeli shelling? You should inform UNICEF that they have got their facts wrong:

http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/15/top3.htm

Thanks for the publicity, this is an important point and we need to raise awareness of the consequences of Israel's actions at each available opportunity, particularly in this forum, where, between you and me, there are a lot of IDF braindead bigots.

I can't even argue this anymore because it's exhausting to see people slaughtered and oppressed, and then have to debate people who stand up for the oppressors.

I'll say, I've lost quite a bit of respect for Jon, though I used to be an Israel cheerleader myself so...

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Red Irish
300 children weren't killed by Israeli shelling? You should inform UNICEF that they have got their facts wrong:

http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/15/top3.htm

Thanks for the publicity, this is an important point and we need to raise awareness of the consequences of Israel's actions at each available opportunity, particularly in this forum, where, between you and me, there are a lot of IDF braindead bigots.

I can't even argue this anymore because it's exhausting to see people slaughtered and oppressed, and then have to debate people who stand up for the oppressors.

I'll say, I've lost quite a bit of respect for Jon, though I used to be an Israel cheerleader myself so...

Yes, I understand your position. I think they feel that if they insult me and goad me enough, I will tire too. Maybe I will, but that won't change the fact that Israel killed over 300 children, is stealing land and, in all likelihood, is depriving the Palestinian people of water.

I have no respect for any of them: their own posts demean them and they have lost any sense of dignity, or indeed humanity, that they may have once possessed.

 

[Sclamoz]

Why should one enemy provide the other with water? If people start dying of thirst I guess they can smuggle water from Egypt instead of weapons now.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Why should one enemy provide the other with water? If people start dying of thirst I guess they can smuggle water from Egypt instead of weapons now.

Thankfully, many people refused to take that position when Nazi Germany adopted the same attitude towards the Jews.

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Why should one enemy provide the other with water? If people start dying of thirst I guess they can smuggle water from Egypt instead of weapons now.

Thankfully, many people refused to take that position when Nazi Germany adopted the same attitude towards the Jews.

Actually it wasn't till WW2 was almost over that people became aware of what Nazis were doing towards Jews and many others.

Another reason that comparison doesn't make much sense is because the Nazis were rounding up civilians from Germany and other and working them to death in camps or simply killing them gas chambers and the like. The Palestinian territories are essentially foreign countries that Israel has limited control over from the Oslo accords, like the United States patrolling the no fly zone over Iraq.

The people there have democratically elected a government that ran on a platform of war w/ Israel, why would Israel continue to assist them? If they need water they can find it on their own IMO.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So why do palestinians attack the source of most of their water?

Rather, Israel holds Palestine under overwhelming military force while stealing water from them, as the article linked in the OP notes:

Israel has "entirely appropriated the Palestinians' share of the Jordan river" and uses 80% of a key shared aquifer

And that is one of the many reasons a small fraction of Palestinians attack Israel.

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Why should one enemy provide the other with water? If people start dying of thirst I guess they can smuggle water from Egypt instead of weapons now.

Do you think we should cut Iraqis off from water and let them die of thirst too, since some of them attack us?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Red Irish

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You're right, I should go see a shrink and the Palestinians should go thirsty. After all, it is their fault for failing to invest in their water supply. Clearly it's not a case of Israel depriving them of drinking water: we all know that Israel is on our side and wouldn't engage in such depraved actions. You should be proud of Israel and each Palestinian child that goes thirsty or becomes ill due to a lack of clean drinking water brings you one step closer to your goal and one step closer to God: praise be.

Before the Jews arrived, much of Palestine was desert. The Jews in the first half of the 1900s started to impilment irrigation of the arid land - allowing more crops and settlement growth.

You're right, I congratulate the Jews on their advances in irrigation in the region. Indeed, they've done such a marvellous job, perhaps we should simply let them deprive Palestinian children of water. If I design a combine harvester, do you think I could get away with robbing a bank?

Can the Palestinians learn from what the Jews did in terms of using the water more efficiently. Or should they sit back and expect handouts?

 

[kylebisme]

If you bother to read the article in the OP, you'll see you have the situation backwards:

In the 112-page report, Amnesty says that on average Palestinian daily water consumption reaches 70 litres a day, compared with 300 litres for the Israelis.

...

Israel has "entirely appropriated the Palestinians' share of the Jordan river" and uses 80% of a key shared aquifer

Israelis are far more inefficient in their watter usage, and expect "handouts" of Palestinian water so much that they take it though overwhelming military force.