Originally posted by: chucky2
Then I think those two groups are in for a very long haul, as it doesn't appear any sides Leadership is truly willing to take a significant meaningful first step.
A better analogy would be if my view of Canada for my entire life, and my parents life, was that it killed my people, constrained me to live in a shithole, oppressed me doing sh1t like this, etc. etc....and then there was a group who attacked Canada from my town just across the Canadian/US border.
Would I rush to stop them, or help/join them?
I'm not saying that that's a factually correct view for one to take, however, someone growing up 3rd gen in that environment, it's going to take something real to even have a hope of swaying them.
Maybe increased access to info that tech brings will help, who knows. What a sh1tty situation in all respects...
Chuck
The ONLY thing your analogy shows is that you don't know sheit about the situation.
Imagine if the people you lived with came from south america, europe and mexico, imagine if your parents were part of the groups that attacked canada and when they fought back the twats living in the (at the time) US now lived in refugee camps in Europe, Mexico and South America (yeah, i'll use capitals whenever i want so fuck you (i mean the royal you)) and those of your parents and grandparents were not allowed to return to their home but had to stay there. Sucks? Yeah, Canadas fault? No.
Now imagine a three decade long leadership that fucked you over every single day while you are just trying to live and they tell you that Canada are the ones who are responsible for your misery...
Now imagine someone coming along saying that the ONLY way for you to live properly and well is to make peace with Canada, being a peacenik as you are you love that idea but our friends don't, they attack Canada with hundreds of rockets a week, there are no or just one or two casualties but the population in the area are confined to living in hell as long as it takes place.
Now Canada can't have that, obviously, NO NATION ON EARTH would accept that so they move in to take out the threat, they drop flyers, they fire warning shots and since the general pouplation are uneducated they simply stack as many civilians as they can around the targets that are known to be hit...
Now Canada elects a government that is radical BECAUSE THEY ARE TIRED of the whole shit...
Do you understand in which direction this is going, do you understand that it's two sides where one just wanted to be left the fuck alone and even free'd land that was only used for ONE reason, they destroyed the buildings, the watering for growth was filled shut and then they set up rocket ramps to attack the Israelis even closer.
It was a sign of good will and the response was attack.
The IDF consists of several millions of men and women when standing as a total, they have the best airforce in the world next to the UK (yeah, i know but i'm fucking RAF so deal with it) and enough ground armor to level the entire ME with that alone.
Restraint has been the key word and that is why nations like Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon still exist and that is why the Palestinians have been left to live in relative peace.
But you can't take military might AND provisions (as in sanctions) away from Israel and give it to Palestine, expecially not in THIS situation.
Just read the papers for the next few days.
FWIW, you do seem like a level headed if somewhat uneducated on the situation person, but basically everyone is and this seems to devolve into a side against side debate every single time.
I'm out for the week, cheerio.
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