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Israel anger at Russian arms deal

Aimster

Lifer
Russia and Israel are at loggerheads over Moscow's alleged intention to sell modern missile systems to Syria.
Israeli media reports that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held a government meeting on relations with Moscow.

Israel is said to have discussed the issue with the US, but denies Russian media reports that it has recalled its Moscow ambassador.

Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar Assad is expected in Moscow on 24 January, despite Israeli protests.

The visit has already prompted Mr Sharon to hold consultations with Washington on the matter, according to French news agency AFP.

Russian and Israeli media both suggest that among other reasons for the apparent cooling in relations between the countries is Israel's alleged financial support of Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, who won the recent presidential election.

Russia had openly supported his rival candidate, the then Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych.

Newspapers also recall a number of recent spy scandals and Israel's determination not to extradite managers of the troubled Russian oil company Yukos, wanted in Russia.

Missile threat

The Russian newspaper Kommersant says that should Russia sell new Iskander missiles to Damascus, Syria will be able to hit any target on Israeli territory, except the southernmost areas.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz adds that in the last few years, Syria has been humiliated by several Israeli air raids, which proved its anti-aircraft systems extremely inefficient.

Russia remains an important player in the Middle East, despite its former influence being eclipsed by that of the US.

On Tuesday, the Palestinian ambassador to Russia, Khairi al-Oridi, told the BBC Russian Service that the newly-elected Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, was likely to choose Moscow as the first foreign capital to visit in his new role. Mr Abbas spent his student years in the USSR.

In the last 15 years, Russia has significantly improved its political and trade relations with Israel, which in turn has been one of the few countries to unequivocally support Russia's "counter-terrorist operation" in Chechnya.

But some commentators say Moscow's approach to choosing clients on the weapons market has often jeopardized these relations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4167655.stm
 
Israel is superior to all these Arab nations even if they all joined forces. No contest.

*edit*

in military to military combat I mean

 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
mwawwww poooor wittle Israel.... Wowwied about anything close to a fair fight...

you think its a fair fight when suicide bombers blow up little children on buses?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
mwawwww poooor wittle Israel.... Wowwied about anything close to a fair fight...
you think its a fair fight when suicide bombers blow up little children on buses?
And when Israeli troops gun down innocent Palestinian girls with automatic rifles?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
mwawwww poooor wittle Israel.... Wowwied about anything close to a fair fight...

you think its a fair fight when suicide bombers blow up little children on buses?

no worse than when Israel uses american made missiles to kill children playing in the street or inside buildings they blow up. Both sides are scum of the earth, and America is King Scum
 
its called collateral damage. besides the arab/palestinian terrorist thugs use innocent people to hide behind. Israel has no choice but to use force to destroy these evil monsters

the cases where in which there have been shootings of Palestinian kids on purpose have been very few, handful maybe?

but there have been thousands of attacks on Israeli's but the purposeful intent to cause as many deaths as possible

*edit*

you dont see attacks against Israeli's lately because Israel has been doing an awesome job in stopping these evil monsters before they do any harm. that doesn't get any play in the media

there are many attempts each day by these terrorists to kill Israel, Israel has just been preventing them
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Israel has no choice but to use force to destroy these evil monsters
Ahhh, the language of fear... "evil monsters." It's like out of a young girl's nightmare.

Note how raildogg's who worldview is based on his fear...
 
Collateral damage??? WTF??

:roll:


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10499593.htm
Case of Israeli soldier charged with killing girl seen as complex

By Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson

Knight Ridder Newspapers

To many, he's a cold-hearted Israeli killer charged with pumping multiple M-16 bullets into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl at close range while she lay in a gully on the edge of this battle-weary border town.


So egregious was the Oct. 5 killing that Capt. R is the first Israeli soldier to face such charges, says the military prosecutor. The case prompted Israeli soul-searching unparalleled since a 12-year-old Palestinian boy was filmed dying in the arms of his anguished father during a firefight between soldiers and demonstrators four years ago.


and
you dont see attacks against Israeli's lately because Israel has been doing an awesome job in stopping these evil monsters before they do any harm. that doesn't get any play in the media
Oh?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=7304580
Palestinian militants ambushed an Israeli army jeep in Gaza on Wednesday, killing a Jewish settler, wounding three soldiers and challenging new Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's opposition to attacks on Israeli targets.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
its called collateral damage. besides the arab/palestinian terrorist thugs use innocent people to hide behind. Israel has no choice but to use force to destroy these evil monsters

the cases where in which there have been shootings of Palestinian kids on purpose have been very few, handful maybe?

but there have been thousands of attacks on Israeli's but the purposeful intent to cause as many deaths as possible

*edit*

you dont see attacks against Israeli's lately because Israel has been doing an awesome job in stopping these evil monsters before they do any harm. that doesn't get any play in the media

there are many attempts each day by these terrorists to kill Israel, Israel has just been preventing them

you just value a palestinian life as that of a cockroach, or as you call it collateral damage. so it is no surprise that you justify Israeli's killing them
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Russia and Israel are at loggerheads over Moscow's alleged intention to sell modern missile systems to Syria.
Israeli media reports that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held a government meeting on relations with Moscow.

Israel is said to have discussed the issue with the US, but denies Russian media reports that it has recalled its Moscow ambassador.

Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar Assad is expected in Moscow on 24 January, despite Israeli protests.

The visit has already prompted Mr Sharon to hold consultations with Washington on the matter, according to French news agency AFP.

Russian and Israeli media both suggest that among other reasons for the apparent cooling in relations between the countries is Israel's alleged financial support of Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, who won the recent presidential election.

Russia had openly supported his rival candidate, the then Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych.

Newspapers also recall a number of recent spy scandals and Israel's determination not to extradite managers of the troubled Russian oil company Yukos, wanted in Russia.

Missile threat

The Russian newspaper Kommersant says that should Russia sell new Iskander missiles to Damascus, Syria will be able to hit any target on Israeli territory, except the southernmost areas.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz adds that in the last few years, Syria has been humiliated by several Israeli air raids, which proved its anti-aircraft systems extremely inefficient.

Russia remains an important player in the Middle East, despite its former influence being eclipsed by that of the US.

On Tuesday, the Palestinian ambassador to Russia, Khairi al-Oridi, told the BBC Russian Service that the newly-elected Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, was likely to choose Moscow as the first foreign capital to visit in his new role. Mr Abbas spent his student years in the USSR.

In the last 15 years, Russia has significantly improved its political and trade relations with Israel, which in turn has been one of the few countries to unequivocally support Russia's "counter-terrorist operation" in Chechnya.

But some commentators say Moscow's approach to choosing clients on the weapons market has often jeopardized these relations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4167655.stm

The ones that should worry are the Europeans. If Syria gets them, it won't be long until the terrorists get them.

 
Originally posted by: conjur
Collateral damage??? WTF??

:roll:


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10499593.htm
Case of Israeli soldier charged with killing girl seen as complex

By Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson

Knight Ridder Newspapers

To many, he's a cold-hearted Israeli killer charged with pumping multiple M-16 bullets into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl at close range while she lay in a gully on the edge of this battle-weary border town.


So egregious was the Oct. 5 killing that Capt. R is the first Israeli soldier to face such charges, says the military prosecutor. The case prompted Israeli soul-searching unparalleled since a 12-year-old Palestinian boy was filmed dying in the arms of his anguished father during a firefight between soldiers and demonstrators four years ago.


and
you dont see attacks against Israeli's lately because Israel has been doing an awesome job in stopping these evil monsters before they do any harm. that doesn't get any play in the media
Oh?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=7304580
Palestinian militants ambushed an Israeli army jeep in Gaza on Wednesday, killing a Jewish settler, wounding three soldiers and challenging new Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's opposition to attacks on Israeli targets.


I have posted earlier where I said there have been a few incidents of Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian innocents on purpose

I dont get your point on the attack on the Israeli army jeep. I was just stating that violence has dropped in the past few years due to Israel's beefing up of security, not due to the terrorists attempting less attacks
 
Well according to the article Israel has dug their own hole with this one... supporting the Ukrainian opposition and providing asylum to Yukos criminals are both direct snubs at Russia.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
I have posted earlier where I said there have been a few incidents of Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian innocents on purpose

I dont get your point on the attack on the Israeli army jeep. I was just stating that violence has dropped in the past few years due to Israel's beefing up of security, not due to the terrorists attempting less attacks
How do you define "dropped"?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar...Terrorism/victims.html
 
Can't say I blame Syria for not wanting foreign jets riding in and blowing things up. Granted, Syria is pretty slimey with it's chummy relationship with groups like Hezbollah, PLO, and al Aqswa Martyr's Brigade, but I think every country is entitled to secure it's own skies. Russia makes good missiles, the purchase doesn't surprise me. I guess Israel thought it was entitled to a little more consideration for supporting Russia's issues with Muslim rebels. Oh well!
 
So...

A Palestinian militant group that sometimes trains in Syria
Sends suicide bomber into Israel and kills many civilians
Israel retaliates by bombing Syrian training camp
Syria retaliates by launching Iskander (Sounds Scandanavian) missiles at Israel
Israel nukes Syria

Oh boy.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
I have posted earlier where I said there have been a few incidents of Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian innocents on purpose

I dont get your point on the attack on the Israeli army jeep. I was just stating that violence has dropped in the past few years due to Israel's beefing up of security, not due to the terrorists attempting less attacks
How do you define "dropped"?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar...Terrorism/victims.html

it has dropped, all because of the wall in my opinion, the problem is instead of the wall being on the green line and actually releave some of the tension they had to built it smack through peoples home, cutting people from work, schools, families, hope
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp
 
That doesn't really prove anything. The level of Israelis killed now is about the same as it was before spring 2002. Looks like a spike in early/mid 2002.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Israel is superior to all these Arab nations even if they all joined forces. No contest.

*edit*

in military to military combat I mean

Why? Because Muslims < Jews?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
mwawwww poooor wittle Israel.... Wowwied about anything close to a fair fight...

you think its a fair fight when suicide bombers blow up little children on buses?

Syria is not Palestine.

Stop comparing Palestine to Muslims. You are so clueless about the culture/religion it is disgusting. You bring up "muslim" dance in the streets when Americans die. You bring up suicide bombings and then say "Muslims".

For the last time Palestine is Palestine. They don't even have 1% of the Muslim population. Get your hate out of here.
 
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