Israel again seizes a Gaza-bound arms ship

[MotF Bane]

But wait, Israel has a retired Israeli international law expert, who gave Israel permission to act as it pleases. Surely if Israel has one international law experts, the Arab world with 50x the population can find at least 50 Arab experts to self grant the Arabs the right to seize Israeli bound ships in international waters.

Yeah, but that doesn't grant them the ability.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I know the group of lunatics you are referring to. They number about 200 people and are completely marginalized by every other group of Jewish people. They claim to be following the teachings of a person who would spit in their faces were he alive today.

Wow - JUST 200!

Also, they must mean nothing, since you say so!!

 

[wuliheron]

An AK-47 / AKM takes too long, better to use a single RPG-7 with a frag warhead for hunting, everyone knows this.

Well, I'm just a simple country boy and my AK-47 has never failed me. It even kept firing when my cousin Fred threw some dirt down the barrel just to spite me.

Also, the ammo is much cheaper.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

And, you would be OK with me storming your property and taking it - because I can. When can I come over and take everything that is yours?

I never said I would be okay with that. The Palestinians already lost their property, and it has been colonized and turned into a new state.

A more comparable scenario:

There is a war. I flee the city to avoid airstrikes and gunfire. After the war, I come back to find that somebody has taken over my apartment (and that someone is backed by the heavily armed, winning force), whose building has a new landlord and my lease is no longer valid. I have lost all claim to the apartment and have to find somewhere new to live. Tough luck. Getting a gun and trying to attack the person in the apartment is not the right thing to do. The Israelis living on former Palestinian land are just people, and as far as they're concerned they have every right to be there. The Palestinians are the armed ex-tenants who really liked that apartment and are having trouble finding a new one.

Wow - JUST 200!

Also, they must mean nothing, since you say so!!

You know, 200 people really isn't very many.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Just a reminder, there is not one Israeli in Gaza.

Incorrect - there is one. The POW that triggerred Operation Cast Lead.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Perhaps you've forgotten as well. There is not a single Israeli in Gaza.

There are tons on land that doesn't belong to them.

In Gaza - where?

 

[EagleKeeper]

If nothing else, Israel proved might makes right and the actual seizure of the ship is already accomplished.

The real question is what happens thereafter. I imagine all kinds of protests will be filed in international bodies of law. Israel may end up having to return the ship and cargo, lose all of their self presumed right to make further seizures in international waters, not because of just that one seizure, but as a serial abuser of international law.

Will this one incident be the final straw, probably not, but the day is coming when Israeli paranoia will lose all remaining Israeli cred in the world.

And as the USA loses all credibility in the Arab world, some other less Israeli friendly nation will be brokering Israeli Palestinian peace negotiations, and they are far less likely to cut either side any slack. And as a bottom line, if Israeli leadership is unable or unwilling to tell their crazed settlers parties no more settlement in disputed land, then a overwhelming coalition of other nations will tell the settlers to get back on their side of the border.

take off your glasses.

If the shipment was going to Gaza and it was arms; Israel has the compelte right to intercept it.

The world is not going to do anything; this has been shown despite your protests.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How about the Orthodox Jews who denounce Israel - when is the Israeli army going to go after them?

These peopel have the same standing as the Westboro Baptist Church in the US.:hmm:

 

[ThePresence]

Wow - JUST 200!

Also, they must mean nothing, since you say so!!

I would think my opinion on this particular issue may carry slightly more weight than yours, being that I happen to be an Orthodox Jew with personal knowledge of these scumbags. WTF do you know about them? Seen a picture in a newspaper?

Probably meaningless to you though.

 

[Lemon law]

take off your glasses.

If the shipment was going to Gaza and it was arms; Israel has the compelte right to intercept it.

The world is not going to do anything; this has been shown despite your protests.

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Just keep telling your self that CC, Germany and Japan kept getting away with it too, and one fine day, they committed that next step, and discovered that was it.

I don't mean to single out just Germany and Japan, its happened all over the world and at all times, but when the final straw is heaped over decades long abuses, the results are unmistakable.

 

[trenchfoot]

doesn't everyone use rocket launchers for hunting deer?

I tried it once, but there's too much shrapnel of all manner that ends up in the meat. So then I had sneak up on those critters and beat them to death with the launchers. That got too sketchy so I finally ended up poisoning their watering holes ala Saddam Hussein and went to the supermarket to buy prime aged strapback venison from a ranch in North Dakota.

Isreal will do whatever it takes to survive as a Nation. They will act/react out of survival instinct. Not saying it's either good or bad, it's just how things are when you're surrounded by folks that wholeheartedly wish for your extinction and your geographics is somewhat difficult to defend.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I would think my opinion on this particular issue may carry slightly more weight than yours, being that I happen to be an Orthodox Jew with personal knowledge of these scumbags. WTF do you know about them? Seen a picture in a newspaper?

Probably meaningless to you though.

They have been vocal about the existence of Israel. I guess I should just filter them out, since you say they aren't important.

 

[ThePresence]

They have been vocal about the existence of Israel. I guess I should just filter them out, since you say they aren't important.

Oh please. The only reason you ever heard about them is because of the novelty of it. They try to give the impression of representing a large group of people. They represent nobody.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Just keep telling your self that CC, Germany and Japan kept getting away with it too, and one fine day, they committed that next step, and discovered that was it.

I don't mean to single out just Germany and Japan, its happened all over the world and at all times, but when the final straw is heaped over decades long abuses, the results are unmistakable.

Where are your embargo runners? the mighty turkish Navy was going to escort aid ships into Gaza forcing Israel to allow them in or start an act of war.
Those runners were supposed to exploded out of the woodwork in response to Israel terrorizing an innocent aid flotilla ship.

 

[SamurAchzar]

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Just keep telling your self that CC, Germany and Japan kept getting away with it too, and one fine day, they committed that next step, and discovered that was it.

I don't mean to single out just Germany and Japan, its happened all over the world and at all times, but when the final straw is heaped over decades long abuses, the results are unmistakable.

Did you hear a condemnation for the seizure coming from ANY Western country? I sure didn't.

 

[OCGuy]

The fact that some of our resident libtards in here actually want these weapons to get to Hamas is astounding.

 

[Nebor]

And, you would be OK with me storming your property and taking it - because I can. When can I come over and take everything that is yours?

Any time. You realize you have to do that with force, right? So asking for a time\date is probably not to your advantage. Either way, one of us lives, and one of us dies, and that's how the world works.

 

[Darwin333]

Well that is a hell of an idea, the Arab have been bitching about Israel for years, why can't they seize every ship heading for an Israeli port. Some of the cargo is bound to be weapons that Israelis will use on them, as for everything else, seize it anyway as a weapon of war. When Israel starves to death, poof, the end of the Israeli problem for the Arabs.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, the ship Israel boarded in international waters was heading for Egypt, funny, I was not aware that Israel was in a State of war with Egypt,
or the Israel has a infallibly psychics who can know who the arms are actually intended to go to.

But wait, Israel has a retired Israeli international law expert, who gave Israel permission to act as it pleases. Surely if Israel has one international law experts, the Arab world with 50x the population can find at least 50 Arab experts to self grant the Arabs the right to seize Israeli bound ships in international waters.

And while we are at it, lets grant Israel the right to seize ships of all nations in international waters, after all, can we be sure their cargo will not fall into evil uses?

But the one thing we cannot possibly do is appeal to a world court or the UN, because the UN has already said, the Israeli blockade of Gaza has no legitimate basis. Making it quite clear, that only Israel has a right to make these determinations regarding international shipping in international waters. Without even the Israeli bother of formally declaring war against another nation.

Or should we just call it what it is, an act of Israeli piracy on the high seas.

Might makes right. It doesn't really matter if you, or I for that matter, like it.

 

[Lemon law]

The fact that some of our resident libtards in here actually want these weapons to get to Hamas is astounding.

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The problem with the OCGuy position is 404 link not found that the arms are intended for Hamas. It could be intended for the Egyptian army, they could go to Libyan Rebels. but just because Israel says its intended for Hamas, OcGuy knee jerk unquestioningly believes everything Israel tells him. Because Israel would never tell a lie, spy on the United States, or sell US defense secrets to China. I could go on and on about Israeli perfidy, but we have already been through this so many times before.

OCGuy, what doctor issued and at what pharmacy did you fill your prescription for gullibility pills? And why did you need the extra strong dose? Methinks you are the sucker born every minute ole PT was referring to.

 

[OCGuy]

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The problem with the OCGuy position is 404 link not found that the arms are intended for Hamas. It could be intended for the Egyptian army, they could go to Libyan Rebels. but just because Israel says its intended for Hamas, OcGuy knee jerk unquestioningly believes everything Israel tells him. Because Israel would never tell a lie, spy on the United States, or sell US defense secrets to China. I could go on and on about Israeli perfidy, but we have already been through this so many times before.

OCGuy, what doctor issued and at what pharmacy did you fill your prescription for gullibility pills? And why did you need the extra strong dose? Methinks you are the sucker born every minute ole PT was referring to.

Has anyone claimed anything otherwise yet? Wouldn't Egypt want their weapons back?

You are throwing out random claims, and you have much less credibility than Israel.

 

[Herr Kutz]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4042591,00.html

German ship chartered by a French company under Liberian flag. Not sure how that all computes.

Apparently the crew did not know what they were transporting.

Shayetet 13, Israel's elite navy commandos seized the ship 200 miles out.

Why does this not surprise me?

 

[Jaskalas]

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The problem with the OCGuy position is 404 link not found that the arms are intended for Hamas. It could be intended for the Egyptian army, they could go to Libyan Rebels. but just because Israel says its intended for Hamas, OcGuy knee jerk unquestioningly believes everything Israel tells him.

Pro Tip, you want to get weapons somewhere, don't try to sneak it past Israel on the shipment bound for Gaza. Yes, of course many nations and rebels order their weapons on the most reliable route for failure.

You want to make that claim, let someone with authority make it for you. You know, like the intended owners of that shipment.

Has anyone claimed anything otherwise yet? Wouldn't Egypt want their weapons back?

You are throwing out random claims, and you have much less credibility than Israel.

He's no less credible than the terrorists themselves. One in the same.

 

[nageov3t]

Why does this not surprise me?

those damn Librarians, everyone knows they're warmongers.

 

[werepossum]

No no no... they were going to hungry people in gaza that would use them for hunting to feed their poor family.

"LOOK OUT, ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!" D:

LOL!

These aren't weapons, they're noisemakers. They fire them up into the air at weddings.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well that is a hell of an idea, the Arab have been bitching about Israel for years, why can't they seize every ship heading for an Israeli port.

You would think after all these years the Arabs would get tired of getting their asses kicked...opps look like they have....