Isnt this extremely hypocritical

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Linflas

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Roger
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

Who knows,I might agree with you then.

then please do the same to proove your side of the issue

http://www.urban75.com/Action/news144.html
here is a start, wonderful what a quick google search can do

Czar surely you can do better than that link? All that link shows is the results of polling in regards to Afghanistan and hardly proof of "the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America".
 

My own quote
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

This is only one issue,I can understand you and many other people disliking it.
I am speaking as a country in it's whole,which clearly you do not like.

We are trying to defend ourselves from attack,In the past,America has made some wrong decisions,no doubt we will make mistakes in the future as well.
You have to look at the good things America has done for the world as well as the bad things.
As a whole,America has done more good than bad.

 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Roger
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

Who knows,I might agree with you then.

then please do the same to proove your side of the issue

http://www.urban75.com/Action/news144.html
here is a start, wonderful what a quick google search can do

Czar surely you can do better than that link? All that link shows is the results of polling in regards to Afghanistan and hardly proof of "the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America".
thats because this was number two or something on my search on google, if you realy want to figure out how the world feels then just go and visit some foreign news agencies for a few weeks, thats all it takes.
 

ToBeMe

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Roger
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

Who knows,I might agree with you then.

then please do the same to proove your side of the issue

http://www.urban75.com/Action/news144.html
here is a start, wonderful what a quick google search can do

Sorry man, but have to say......that's a bit old especially considering yesterday when a large majority of countries applauded and agreed with the position the US and Bush are now taking.............................;)
 
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Czar is full of hate for people who don't think like he does.


Czar surely you can do better than that link? All that link shows is the results of polling in regards to Afghanistan and hardly proof of "the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America".
All that matters is that most Afghanis don't hate America.
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Roger
My own quote
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

This is only one issue,I can understand you and many other people disliking it.
I am speaking as a country in it's whole,which clearly you do not like.

We are trying to defend ourselves from attack,In the past,America has made some wrong decisions,no doubt we will make mistakes in the future as well.
You have to look at the good things America has done for the world as well as the bad things.
As a whole,America has done more good than bad.
But on the global scale people liking the US as a whole is not an issue, it is the biggest authority of each country that matters the most.

Your last two sentences are very valid. There are always good and bad things everyone does, but lately the bad things have been stacking up very fast and it seems that the US government doesnt want to listen to anyone even if they are from the US itself, that anoyes people alot when a country is so arrogant.
 

kherman

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Foreign news agencies are run by the governemtn, therefore biased. hel, in Iraq, they teach that the Holocaust never happened! It's just a big lie according to schools in Iraq. F IRAQ
 

Linflas

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Roger
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

Who knows,I might agree with you then.

then please do the same to proove your side of the issue

http://www.urban75.com/Action/news144.html
here is a start, wonderful what a quick google search can do

Czar surely you can do better than that link? All that link shows is the results of polling in regards to Afghanistan and hardly proof of "the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America".
thats because this was number two or something on my search on google, if you realy want to figure out how the world feels then just go and visit some foreign news agencies for a few weeks, thats all it takes.

I never made the statement that you made so it is not incumbent on me to search for anything. I really am not all that concerned with trying to figure out whether my country is liked or not based on the results of a google or yahoo search. All I can say is that in my travels abroad I have been accorded the same respect that I give to other people. It really is immaterial whether or not we share political views as to whether or not I like someone. Most people in this world spend most of their time worrying about their lives and not what various countries are up to unless it has some direct effect on their daily lives ie running civilian passenger jets into skyscrapers full of people going about their lawful business.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Roger
Point me in the direction,show me some links that show that most of the people in the world dislike/disapprove/hate America.

Who knows,I might agree with you then.

then please do the same to proove your side of the issue

http://www.urban75.com/Action/news144.html
here is a start, wonderful what a quick google search can do

Sorry man, but have to say......that's a bit old especially considering yesterday when a large majority of countries applauded and agreed with the position the US and Bush are now taking.............................;)
yeah I know, but its still the biggest gallup poll in history, would be nice if they did more of these global polls.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2255255.stm
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: kherman
Foreign news agencies are run by the governemtn, therefore biased. hel, in Iraq, they teach that the Holocaust never happened! It's just a big lie according to schools in Iraq. F IRAQ
ah nice little world you live in
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Moonbeam

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Some problems I have with ideas expressed here. "The US is going into Iraq to stop the production of WMD." We are going for a regiem change remember. "The world likes doesn't like us, we're more good than bad." Whatever the world's opinion of os generally they don't like our Iraq unilateralism. It is important to correct faults and not bask on ones laurels. One can like and be critical. The inability to hear criticism as other than attack is dangerous.
 

Moonbeam

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Recognize this:

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Linflas
I never made the statement that you made so it is not incumbent on me to search for anything. I really am not all that concerned with trying to figure out whether my country is liked or not based on the results of a google or yahoo search. All I can say is that in my travels abroad I have been accorded the same respect that I give to other people. It really is immaterial whether or not we share political views as to whether or not I like someone. Most people in this world spend most of their time worrying about their lives and not what various countries are up to unless it has some direct effect on their daily lives ie running civilian passenger jets into skyscrapers full of people going about their lawful business.
this is exactly how it works, on the international political scale the US and quite big number of other countries are not doing it.

Everyone is judged by their actions, when I meet someone for the first time I dont know them and I will not judge them for actions of others, getting to know them is the only way. Governments are the same, you can only judge them from their actions.
When people dislike a government then its not the same as disliking the public.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Recognize this:

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
Ummm...you do realize that you just made a case for the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N.?
 

ToBeMe

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Getting back to the subject of the post, no, it's not hypocritical. The US and Russia/USSR have played these games for years!Russia knows the US is going to go inot Iraq eventually and take out Saddam...........Russia wants something in return for allowing this and this is simple manuevering. This has worked in both directions for both countries since shortly after WWII..................tit for tat!;)
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Getting back to the subject of the post, no, it's not hypocritical. The US and Russia/USSR have played these games for years!Russia knows the US is going to go inot Iraq eventually and take out Saddam...........Russia wants something in return for allowing this and this is simple manuevering. This has worked in both directions for both countries since shortly after WWII..................tit for tat!;)

hehe your theory just makes more and more sense, will be interesting to see if it plays out correctly in the future ;)

 

Moonbeam

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WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Vespasian requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation from the UN.

Right!
 

Moonbeam

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Russia is just being sensable. They could as easily have go to the UN to get approval for an attack on the US because we harbor weapons of mass destruction and have used them even on our own people.
 

FeathersMcGraw

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Originally posted by: Vespasian
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Recognize this:

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
Ummm...you do realize that you just made a case for the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N.?

The introduction to the Declaration of Independence is merely a statement that, prior to a group taking unilateral action with intranational repercussions, the reasons and evidence should be presented first (hence the "declaration"). The analogy of U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations isn't appropriate until that evidence is made public.

Although I suppose Moonbeam was really just trying to emphasize the notion that opinions critical of the United States government get shot down pretty quickly as anti-American, even though criticism of the government is not always rooted in subversion.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Vespasian requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation from the UN.

Right!
Good grief.

EDIT: The Declaration of Indepedence is all about the right of a people to self-determination and self-governance.
 

ToBeMe

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Russia is just being sensable. They could as easily have go to the UN to get approval for an attack on the US because we harbor weapons of mass destruction and have used them even on our own people.
ROFLMAO as we could them, or China! No beamer, this is just the same old game the US and Russia/USSR have played for years.............
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Linflas

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Linflas
I never made the statement that you made so it is not incumbent on me to search for anything. I really am not all that concerned with trying to figure out whether my country is liked or not based on the results of a google or yahoo search. All I can say is that in my travels abroad I have been accorded the same respect that I give to other people. It really is immaterial whether or not we share political views as to whether or not I like someone. Most people in this world spend most of their time worrying about their lives and not what various countries are up to unless it has some direct effect on their daily lives ie running civilian passenger jets into skyscrapers full of people going about their lawful business.
this is exactly how it works, on the international political scale the US and quite big number of other countries are not doing it.

Everyone is judged by their actions, when I meet someone for the first time I dont know them and I will not judge them for actions of others, getting to know them is the only way. Governments are the same, you can only judge them from their actions.
When people dislike a government then its not the same as disliking the public.

Well we are kind of beating the proverbial dead horse here. I do not live in a small country so I do not have the vantage of your view of us but you would have to grant that likewise you do not have our view either. All I can tell you is that based on my view of my countries past actions I believe that by and large we have been a positive force in the world. When we finished WWII we did not take territory as tribute but rather attempted to help our former enemies and allies alike recover. It is my hope that when we are finished in Afghanistan we will do that as well. Sometimes unpopular choices have to be made and it is my belief that dealing with Iraq or with terrorists the choice is exactly that. History will ultimately be the judge of whether we chose wisely.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Well we are kind of beating the proverbial dead horse here. I do not live in a small country so I do not have the vantage of your view of us but you would have to grant that likewise you do not have our view either. All I can tell you is that based on my view of my countries past actions I believe that by and large we have been a positive force in the world. When we finished WWII we did not take territory as tribute but rather attempted to help our former enemies and allies alike recover. It is my hope that when we are finished in Afghanistan we will do that as well. Sometimes unpopular choices have to be made and it is my belief that dealing with Iraq or with terrorists the choice is exactly that. History will ultimately be the judge of whether we chose wisely.
The Marshal plan is definetly the best thing the US has ever done to help the world, along with the wonderful NASA ;)
But I dont see any chance of that happening again with either Afghanistan or Iraq as long as Bush is the president because he has said that starting a democracy in Iraq was a problem of the International community but not that of the US.

 

jjones

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Russia is just being sensable. They could as easily have go to the UN to get approval for an attack on the US because we harbor weapons of mass destruction and have used them even on our own people.
Wrong Moonbeam. The reasoning behind action in Iraq is the breaking by Iraq of the UN resolutions and the treaties it signed during its surrender after the Gulf War. Not the same thing as just having WMD. If it was just about WMD, more than half the world would be at war.