Islamic terror strikes Indian train en route to Pakistan.

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
It is the expression 'Islamic Terrorist' - which suggests Islam and Terror go hand-in-hand that I was offended by.

umm, you DO realize that "Islamic" is just an adjective, right?

"Islamic Terrorism" is just what it says. It's the correct term to use when describing terrorism committed by followers of Islam...

There are Christian Terrorists, Atheist Terrorists, Hindu Terrorists, etc... we will use that term when it applies.

The sad truth is that there is more modern terrorism being committed by Muslims than by any other group - at the moment - so, unfortunately, you'll be forced to read that adjective more frequently than any other.

get over it.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Braznor

For all your beliefs, I still wouldn't blame you. I blame the sick twisted cult of ignorance clouding your mind preached to you by your violent ideology. So if you cannot defend Islam, you go into offensive insulting hinduism and personal attacks, go ahead, it does not bother me the least. Atleast we do not believe in a brothel heaven gained with blood of kafirs, fornicating with 72 virgins presided by Allah the chief Pimp. I still await the links I demanded earlier.

Show me where in the Quran Muslims are promised 72 virgins. Show me the exact passage where this '72' number appears because I've never seen it. You're a bloody extremist Hindu fanatic - who is barbaric & who is civilized you ask?

Heard of something called Sati where a widow had to jump on to her husband's funeral pyre? Why were widows outlawed from attending family functions in Hinduism because 'a widow brought bad luck'? Heard of something called 'dowry', where men pimp themselves out to the highest bidder for a hand in marriage? You accuse the Islamic Prophet of being a pedophile while avoiding the whole topic of 'age being no restriction' in marriage in Hinduism? Never heard of 2-year-old girls being married to cows/dogs to appease the local Gods for rain or a better harvest? You make fun of polygamy in Islam while forgetting Hindu gods that had thousands of wives? Polygamy, Sati, Dowry etc. were abolished by the British in India but they exist in Hindu scriptures. Know WTF you are talking about.

Who are all the karsevaks that run around with Trishuls? I'm not judging 80 billion Hindus based on the activities of the Sangh Parivar - but now I'm really curious to know how many other Hindus subscribe to your ideologies.

I come into this thread to make a point about the expression 'Islamic Terror' and now you've dragged me into name-calling and religion bashing. Congratulations, you've succeeded admirably.

Edit: palehorse, I know those more in the know-how to interpret certain terms. Others, like Braznor don't which is why it pisses me off when these 'phrases' lead to more fear-mongering and ostracizing of the civil masses.

 

[eecoil]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel[/i]

These guys are fighting the Indian Military that they accuse of carrying out brutal and sadistic atrocities against Kashmiri Muslims. They want an independent state - and since they are terrorists working against the interests of India, I do not sympathize with them. It is the expression 'Islamic Terrorist' - which suggests Islam and Terror go hand-in-hand that I was offended by.

Kashmir is an integral part of India. Just as during our American Civil war, the government of India is justified in whatever measures it deems necessary to quell insurrection by terrorists bred by various hate spewing Madrasaas outside of India. I agree terming someone as Islamic Terrorist might be a bit extreme. Then again, statistically speaking, a vast number of terrorist attacks on civilians seem to be by followers of one particular Faith. Unfortunately due to the few bad apples of this faith, the burden seem to fall on the silent majority of the faith to demonstrate that Islam does indeed mean Peace.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Braznor

For all your beliefs, I still wouldn't blame you. I blame the sick twisted cult of ignorance clouding your mind preached to you by your violent ideology. So if you cannot defend Islam, you go into offensive insulting hinduism and personal attacks, go ahead, it does not bother me the least. Atleast we do not believe in a brothel heaven gained with blood of kafirs, fornicating with 72 virgins presided by Allah the chief Pimp. I still await the links I demanded earlier.

Show me where in the Quran Muslims are promised 72 virgins. Show me the exact passage where this '72' number appears because I've never seen it. You're a bloody extremist Hindu fanatic - who is barbaric & who is civilized you ask?

Heard of something called Sati where a widow had to jump on to her husband's funeral pyre? Why were widows outlawed from attending family functions in Hinduism because 'a widow brought bad luck'? Heard of something called 'dowry', where men pimp themselves out to the highest bidder for a hand in marriage? You accuse the Islamic Prophet of being a pedophile while avoiding the whole topic of 'age being no restriction' in marriage in Hinduism? Never heard of 2-year-old girls being married to cows/dogs to appease the local Gods for rain or a better harvest? You make fun of polygamy in Islam while forgetting Hindu gods that had thousands of wives? Polygamy, Sati, Dowry etc. were abolished by the British in India but they exist in Hindu scriptures. Know WTF you are talking about.

Who are all the karsevaks that run around with Trishuls? I'm not judging 80 billion Hindus based on the activities of the Sangh Parivar - but now I'm really curious to know how many other Hindus subscribe to your ideologies.

I come into this thread to make a point about the expression 'Islamic Terror' and now you've dragged me into name-calling and religion bashing. Congratulations, you've succeeded admirably.

Edit: palehorse, I know those more in the know-how to interpret certain terms. Others, like Braznor don't which is why it pisses me off when these 'phrases' lead to more fear-mongering and ostracizing of the civil masses.

You know what, Sati is a barbaric practice which I'am glad has been done away with it. I never disputed that every religion has/had retrograde practices. But It's the will of the people to oppose them which counts. While you are right about pointing fingers against medieval practices in religion, I hope you are paying attention the terrible fates befalling muslim children in Hyderabad where their parents are pimping them to Arabs in temporary marriages. If you are so intent about compaing oppression of women, why not a word about honor killings happening in Islamic societies so much more frequently than sati?

Yep, Kar Sevaks are terrorists because they carry a trishul, right! :disgust: I bet they also plan to go about on a world conquest with them.

And what's wrong with the word 'Islamic terrorist' There people are fighting for an Islamic state based on Sharia laws. What would that make them? My original thread was a condolence one for all the victims involved and you began the tripe about freedom fighting and independence.

By the way, those marriages to dogs and whatever were symbolic acts of ignorant poor people in rural areas. Do you seriously think that they gonna make that child have sex with the animal unlike the most perfect of men, Muhammed who married Aisha when she was six and spent the night with her when she was 9.

 

[eecoil]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Show me where in the Quran Muslims are promised 72 virgins. Show me the exact passage where this '72' number appears because I've never seen it. You're a bloody extremist Hindu fanatic - who is barbaric & who is civilized you ask?

I am no expert on Islam, but there does NOT appear to be any specific number of virgins/houris specified in the koran. According to the hadiths, or sayings of the pomfret through here is what I found:

in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]

With regard to the promise of virgins themselves, as a reward to the people entering paradise, the Holy Koran does have to say the following:

sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Braznor

I hope you are paying attention the terrible fates befalling muslim children in Hyderabad where their parents are pimping them to Arabs in temporary marriages.

Yes, that is pitiful behavior. It's a problem when the girls are <18 and it's a crime punishable by law. Fair enough.

If you are so intent about compaing oppression of women, why not a word about honor killings happening in Islamic societies so much more frequently than sati?

Quran doesn't permit honor killings - it's the ignorant PoS followers that do. Honor killings have been made up by modern Muslims. It's sh!tty behavior and the perpetrators are punishable by death under Islamic law.

Yep, Kar Sevaks are terrorists because they carry a trishul, right! :disgust: I bet they also plan to go about on a world conquest with them.

Huge congregations of armed Kar Sevaks, chanting against the cancer of Christian Missionaries/Madrasas, a call for Ram Rajya (no secularism) and the elimination of minorities from this nation is civil behavior, sure. These guys are still hung up on Muslim Invaders from the medieval ages and go on and on about avenging something that happened hundreds of years ago. Yup, nothing wrong with that.

And what's wrong with the word 'Islamic terrorist' There people are fighting for an Islamic state based on Sharia laws. What would that make them? My original thread was a condolence one for all the victims involved and you began the tripe about freedom fighting and independence.

Don't tell me I thread-jacked this. All I said was, "This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism."

By the way, those marriages to dogs and whatever were symbolic acts of ignorant poor people in rural areas. Do you seriously think that they gonna make that child have sex with the animal unlike the most perfect of men, Muhammed who married Aisha when she was six and spent the night with her when she was 9.

Puberty was considered appropriate age for marriage back then. That is pretty much all I can say about that. It's not allowed these days but there is no real age specified in the Quran. From the accounts I've read, a person is allowed to marry as long as they understand and are capable of handling the responsibilities that go with it. As a 21st century person, I myself find it weird but maybe it's just our conditioning. Until a few years back, a 16 was the minimum age for an Indian girl to get married. Try creating a thread in AT about, "I'm 22, she's 16 - should I date/marry her?" and see the pedo-replies fly. 50 years ago, 13-14-year-olds would be married to men twice their age and it was considered normal - whether Muslim or Hindu. What works in Country A in Time A doesn't work in Country B in Time B.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Braznor

I hope you are paying attention the terrible fates befalling muslim children in Hyderabad where their parents are pimping them to Arabs in temporary marriages.

Yes, that is pitiful behavior. It's a problem when the girls are <18 and it's a crime punishable by law. Fair enough.

If you are so intent about compaing oppression of women, why not a word about honor killings happening in Islamic societies so much more frequently than sati?

Quran doesn't permit honor killings - it's the ignorant PoS followers that do. Honor killings have been made up by modern Muslims. It's sh!tty behavior and the perpetrators are punishable by death under Islamic law.

Yep, Kar Sevaks are terrorists because they carry a trishul, right! :disgust: I bet they also plan to go about on a world conquest with them.

Huge congregations of armed Kar Sevaks, chanting against the cancer of Christian Missionaries/Madrasas, a call for Ram Rajya (no secularism) and the elimination of minorities from this nation is civil behavior, sure. These guys are still hung up on Muslim Invaders from the medieval ages and go on and on about avenging something that happened hundreds of years ago. Yup, nothing wrong with that.

And what's wrong with the word 'Islamic terrorist' There people are fighting for an Islamic state based on Sharia laws. What would that make them? My original thread was a condolence one for all the victims involved and you began the tripe about freedom fighting and independence.

Don't tell me I thread-jacked this. All I said was, "This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism."

By the way, those marriages to dogs and whatever were symbolic acts of ignorant poor people in rural areas. Do you seriously think that they gonna make that child have sex with the animal unlike the most perfect of men, Muhammed who married Aisha when she was six and spent the night with her when she was 9.

Puberty was considered appropriate age for marriage back then. That is pretty much all I can say about that. It's not allowed these days but there is no real age specified in the Quran. From the accounts I've read, a person is allowed to marry as long as they understand and are capable of handling the responsibilities that go with it. As a 21st century person, I myself find it weird but maybe it's just our conditioning. Until a few years back, a 16 was the minimum age for an Indian girl to get married. Try creating a thread in AT about, "I'm 22, she's 16 - should I date/marry her?" and see the pedo-replies fly. 50 years ago, 13-14-year-olds would be married to men twice their age and it was considered normal - whether Muslim or Hindu. What works in Country A in Time A doesn't work in Country B in Time B.

Perhaps, such marriages were appropriate back then, but Muhammed being the most perfect man should have known better. Let's leave it at that as the issue is completely off topic and bought about by the ramblings of 5150Joker. Regarding the so called Hindu fascists, do not forget they made the greatest attempts of peace with Pakistan (Vajpayee) until Pakistan gifted India the Kargil war. And regarding the Ayodhaya issue, what's wrong for them to demand a return of a primary religion site? Especially after millions of Hindu places of worship destroyed by the Islamic invaders over the past 700 years? Would you keep quiet and preach secularism if a someone destroyed the Kabaa in Mecca and built a temple or Church over it?