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[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

 

[Aimster]

Islam = Muslim

A Jihad is a struggle against one's self (to better themselves) and it also means a religious conflict.

Most people think Jihad means to kill non-believers. Wrong. Jihad is when Muslims are being targeted by non-Muslims (A holy war).

For a Jihad to be declared religious leaders must call for it. One person alone cannot call on a Jihad. No religious leaders have called for a Jihad. Saddam Hussein called for a Jihad against U.S forces... Saddam Hussein is/was not a religious leader.

What you see in Palestine is a group of people raised to believe in a twisted religion of Islam. Promises of virgin heaven, rewards, etc. They are brought up to believe in the Hamas version of Islam which is all fabricated. They are brainwashed.

*There is no mention of a virgin heaven in the Quran
*There is no mention of rewards for suicide bombings (suicide bombings is not mentioned in the Quran)
*If a Jihad is delcared civilians cannot be harmed.
*Suicide is a sin in Islam

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

Dude, sometimes I can't tell what side of the fence you sit on. Radical Islamic extremists are exactly the cause of suicide bombs. Can you deny that? I think we can very well link it to religion, and more specifically to THAT religion, as well as the poisoned teachings to children, which will perpetuate this for years to come, until someone gets sane enough to say, enough, is enough.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

LOL, good one Moonie.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

Dude, sometimes I can't tell what side of the fence you sit on. Radical Islamic extremists are exactly the cause of suicide bombs. Can you deny that? I think we can very well link it to religion, and more specifically to THAT religion, as well as the poisoned teachings to children, which will perpetuate this for years to come, until someone gets sane enough to say, enough, is enough.

by Radical Islam do you mean like the palestinian example I gave in the post above this?

That isn't Islam. You cannot change the words of God to fit your needs. That is exactly what they are doing.

My views?
Islam is a slave religion. It isn't barbaric. It is a man made religion that makes men > women.

Those who make it barbaric are not true Muslims.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

You are not making a great point at linking suicide bombings to Islam.

I'll give you a great example:

Iraq:

Borders:
Arab nations + Iran + Turkey
Iran + Turkey have a combined population of 140 million people

That is far more than the Arab nations that surround Iraq.

99.9% of the suicide bombings in Iraq are the cause of Arabs.

There are many religious Iranians in Iran who could not possibly get anymore religious. The same goes for Turkey. Yet none of them are entering Iraq blowing themselves up.

I don't know about Turkey but I know Iran has suicide bombings inside Iran. Who does this? Arabs.

 

[compuwiz1]

Aimster, what does Turkey, Iran and other nations have to do with this discussion? You have dodged the real questions here. I have to step away for several hours, but I think your statements have opened up a can of worms, IMO. You might make a great politician, however.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Aimster, what does Turkey, Iran and other nations have to do with this discussion? You have dodged the real questions here. I have to step away for several hours, but I think your statements have opened up a can of worms, IMO. You might make a great politician, however.

I was taking the focus on suicide bombings away from Islam and towards Arabs since the majority of suicide bombings happen by Arabs. Arabs are not even close to being the majority of the Muslim world population.

If it was truely a Muslim problem, Turkey and Iran would have been sending in more people to be carrying out suicide bombings in Iraq. They are both Muslim countries with the largest populations in the M.E.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

You are not making a great point at linking suicide bombings to Islam.

I'll give you a great example:

Iraq:

Borders:
Arab nations + Iran + Turkey
Iran + Turkey have a combined population of 140 million people

That is far more than the Arab nations that surround Iraq.

99.9% of the suicide bombings in Iraq are the cause of Arabs.

There are many religious Iranians in Iran who could not possibly get anymore religious. The same goes for Turkey. Yet none of them are entering Iraq blowing themselves up.

I don't know about Turkey but I know Iran has suicide bombings inside Iran. Who does this? Arabs.

You have not answered my question; Telling me that there are millions of Muslims out there who would never even think about blowing themselves up to kill people doesn't answer it.

Why is it that ONLY Muslims carry out suicide bombings?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

You are not making a great point at linking suicide bombings to Islam.

I'll give you a great example:

Iraq:

Borders:
Arab nations + Iran + Turkey
Iran + Turkey have a combined population of 140 million people

That is far more than the Arab nations that surround Iraq.

99.9% of the suicide bombings in Iraq are the cause of Arabs.

There are many religious Iranians in Iran who could not possibly get anymore religious. The same goes for Turkey. Yet none of them are entering Iraq blowing themselves up.

I don't know about Turkey but I know Iran has suicide bombings inside Iran. Who does this? Arabs.

You have not answered my question; Telling me that there are millions of Muslims out there who would never even think about blowing themselves up to kill people doesn't answer it.

Why is it that ONLY Muslims carry out suicide bombings?

Because its their only way of defending themselves? What else can they do, they don't have the arms or the people to defend what they believe in, so they suicide bomb. While its wrong and against islam, it has nothing to do with them being muslims. If you actually sat down and read a Quran, you will see it forbids suicide and killing innocent civilians. Ok lets make a deal, give the muslims weapons and tanks and then they'll have weapons, so they won't suicide bomb.

Sound good?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

You are not making a great point at linking suicide bombings to Islam.

I'll give you a great example:

Iraq:

Borders:
Arab nations + Iran + Turkey
Iran + Turkey have a combined population of 140 million people

That is far more than the Arab nations that surround Iraq.

99.9% of the suicide bombings in Iraq are the cause of Arabs.

There are many religious Iranians in Iran who could not possibly get anymore religious. The same goes for Turkey. Yet none of them are entering Iraq blowing themselves up.

I don't know about Turkey but I know Iran has suicide bombings inside Iran. Who does this? Arabs.

You have not answered my question; Telling me that there are millions of Muslims out there who would never even think about blowing themselves up to kill people doesn't answer it.

Why is it that ONLY Muslims carry out suicide bombings?

How are they Muslim if they go against their religion?

Answer that one.

I'd love to hear what it is you have to say

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

That doesn't prove anything.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims.

.00000000000000000001% of them carry out suicide bombings

The religion doesn't mention anything about suicide bombings.

You cannot link it to religion.

Sorry

That's a twisted way of thinking.

I have yet to witness a massive number of suicide bombers who are not Muslim - like it or not.

Coincidence you say? I think not.

Who does suicide bombings?

You mean Arabs?

Blame it on the Arab culture.

99% of suicide bombers are Arab.

Would you please remind me when was the last time that a NONE-Muslim Arab became a suicide bomber?

You are not making a great point at linking suicide bombings to Islam.

I'll give you a great example:

Iraq:

Borders:
Arab nations + Iran + Turkey
Iran + Turkey have a combined population of 140 million people

That is far more than the Arab nations that surround Iraq.

99.9% of the suicide bombings in Iraq are the cause of Arabs.

There are many religious Iranians in Iran who could not possibly get anymore religious. The same goes for Turkey. Yet none of them are entering Iraq blowing themselves up.

I don't know about Turkey but I know Iran has suicide bombings inside Iran. Who does this? Arabs.

You have not answered my question; Telling me that there are millions of Muslims out there who would never even think about blowing themselves up to kill people doesn't answer it.

Why is it that ONLY Muslims carry out suicide bombings?

How are they Muslim if they go against their religion?

Answer that one.

I'd love to hear what it is you have to say

First of all, answering a question with a question is not a way of conducting a discussion, but I will go ahead and try to answer that. Your holy book may stress that it is forbidden, yet it contains the "mental/spiritual infrastracture" that is manipulated in order to get people to kill themselves in the name of god. Current "mullahs" may interpret Islamic laws in the most violent and extreme way possible, passing it on to the young generation. Couple that with a (mostly) uneducated and primitive society and you've got a recipe for a suicide bomber right there.

I'm off to watch a basketball game.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Trente
Why is it that ONLY Muslims carry out suicide bombings?

Because in this moment in time it's mainly the Muslims nations that feel they are under attack and have no other way to fight back. But if you were to go back a few years there are lots of cases of suicide bombings- Kamikaze and the I.R.A just to name a few

Suicide bombing

 

[Aimster]

Trente-

*"your holy book"? - So I am Muslim. Ok.

*It is against Islam to kill yourself. There is nothing in the Quran that allows for someone to kill themselves.
-Where in the holy book of Islam does it say anything about suicide bombings? It doesn't therefore the book doesn't have one ounce of influence on suicide bombings.

If they are uneducated as you claim then they are not true Muslims since they would be uneducated on the religion.

primitive society? So are you telling me there is a Muslim society or are you agreeing with me that it is an Arab problem? In that case it would have nothing to do with religion.

 

[Strk]

Over time, Islam will change -- it is that simple. Yes, some of the fundies will still remain, but that happens with any group. How long ago was it you were screwed if you weren't a specific denomination of Christianity, let alone a completely different religion, in the western world?

 

[imported_alp]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their should be no problem when everybody converts to Islam. It will also mean the Earth won't be easily knocked over by any potential alien invasion. Ten billion suicide bombers would be one heck of a challenge.

Suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam

What is the percentage of suicide bombers who are NOT Muslim?

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[Vic]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The real issue is not that people are trying to force their beliefs on other people, but that people continue to be afraid of other people's beliefs. Give it a fsckin' rest and quit acting the bigot trying to stereotype a billion-plus people into one image.

Wow! Bravo! I'm standing up and clapping like I'm at the SOTU.

Seriously, albatross, the vast majority of Muslims are everyday people. They enjoy freedom, they follow the laws of the country they reside in, they value their own culture but don't frown upon others...they are like a lot of other religious people. And a lot aren't even that religious; some just choose to go through the daily grind.

I have a lot of Muslim friends at Intel, and AFAIK they follow all the laws of my state and the US just as well as Christian/Jewish/Atheist people.

I have Muslim friends that I met in college that are barely religious at all; they may have been born in another country, but they grew up in the US and have adopted American culture wholeheartedly. Islam may forbid alcohol, but my Muslim friends attended as many 'wet' parties as I did.

Try to imagine for a second what you and many others in this forum are doing. Imagine 1.3+ billion people spread across the world, in nations with a variety of histories. Do you think Indonesian Muslims can fully relate to Yugoslavian Muslims? Do you think Muslims in Chechnya can fully relate to Muslims in Kuwait? The answer is no. Some have histories rich in culture, some have histories filled with persecution and genocide, some have been raised in free societies, some have been raised in dictatoships...

It's so varied, yet you and others continually try to lump them all together around whatever rallying cry Faux News or GWB uses to sway your emotions. You perpetuate the cycle of hate by allowing the actions of a few extremists to cloud your perception about the other 1.2999 billion Muslims.

Originally posted by: sandorski
You don't make friends by slapping them in the face.

There was a time when Christians would have acted the same way. Hell, I bet if those same European Newspapers exercised their Free Speech and printed pictures of Rats with Star of Davids on their arms, there'd be an equally loud uproar.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The real issue is not that people are trying to force their beliefs on other people, but that people continue to be afraid of other people's beliefs. Give it a fsckin' rest and quit acting the bigot trying to stereotype a billion-plus people into one image.

Wow! Bravo! I'm standing up and clapping like I'm at the SOTU.

Seriously, albatross, the vast majority of Muslims are everyday people. They enjoy freedom, they follow the laws of the country they reside in, they value their own culture but don't frown upon others...they are like a lot of other religious people. And a lot aren't even that religious; some just choose to go through the daily grind.

I have a lot of Muslim friends at Intel, and AFAIK they follow all the laws of my state and the US just as well as Christian/Jewish/Atheist people.

I have Muslim friends that I met in college that are barely religious at all; they may have been born in another country, but they grew up in the US and have adopted American culture wholeheartedly. Islam may forbid alcohol, but my Muslim friends attended as many 'wet' parties as I did.

Try to imagine for a second what you and many others in this forum are doing. Imagine 1.3+ billion people spread across the world, in nations with a variety of histories. Do you think Indonesian Muslims can fully relate to Yugoslavian Muslims? Do you think Muslims in Chechnya can fully relate to Muslims in Kuwait? The answer is no. Some have histories rich in culture, some have histories filled with persecution and genocide, some have been raised in free societies, some have been raised in dictatoships...

It's so varied, yet you and others continually try to lump them all together around whatever rallying cry Faux News or GWB uses to sway your emotions. You perpetuate the cycle of hate by allowing the actions of a few extremists to cloud your perception about the other 1.2999 billion Muslims.

Which Muslim nation is a free society? Tell me.

Even Turkey has killed millions during the Armenian genocide.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The real issue is not that people are trying to force their beliefs on other people, but that people continue to be afraid of other people's beliefs. Give it a fsckin' rest and quit acting the bigot trying to stereotype a billion-plus people into one image.

Wow! Bravo! I'm standing up and clapping like I'm at the SOTU.

Seriously, albatross, the vast majority of Muslims are everyday people. They enjoy freedom, they follow the laws of the country they reside in, they value their own culture but don't frown upon others...they are like a lot of other religious people. And a lot aren't even that religious; some just choose to go through the daily grind.

I have a lot of Muslim friends at Intel, and AFAIK they follow all the laws of my state and the US just as well as Christian/Jewish/Atheist people.

I have Muslim friends that I met in college that are barely religious at all; they may have been born in another country, but they grew up in the US and have adopted American culture wholeheartedly. Islam may forbid alcohol, but my Muslim friends attended as many 'wet' parties as I did.

Try to imagine for a second what you and many others in this forum are doing. Imagine 1.3+ billion people spread across the world, in nations with a variety of histories. Do you think Indonesian Muslims can fully relate to Yugoslavian Muslims? Do you think Muslims in Chechnya can fully relate to Muslims in Kuwait? The answer is no. Some have histories rich in culture, some have histories filled with persecution and genocide, some have been raised in free societies, some have been raised in dictatoships...

It's so varied, yet you and others continually try to lump them all together around whatever rallying cry Faux News or GWB uses to sway your emotions. You perpetuate the cycle of hate by allowing the actions of a few extremists to cloud your perception about the other 1.2999 billion Muslims.

Which Muslim nation is a free society? Tell me.

Even Turkey has killed millions during the Armenian genocide.

Yes, and it's especially salient since Turkey hasn't changed in 90 years......

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The real issue is not that people are trying to force their beliefs on other people, but that people continue to be afraid of other people's beliefs. Give it a fsckin' rest and quit acting the bigot trying to stereotype a billion-plus people into one image.

Wow! Bravo! I'm standing up and clapping like I'm at the SOTU.

Seriously, albatross, the vast majority of Muslims are everyday people. They enjoy freedom, they follow the laws of the country they reside in, they value their own culture but don't frown upon others...they are like a lot of other religious people. And a lot aren't even that religious; some just choose to go through the daily grind.

I have a lot of Muslim friends at Intel, and AFAIK they follow all the laws of my state and the US just as well as Christian/Jewish/Atheist people.

I have Muslim friends that I met in college that are barely religious at all; they may have been born in another country, but they grew up in the US and have adopted American culture wholeheartedly. Islam may forbid alcohol, but my Muslim friends attended as many 'wet' parties as I did.

Try to imagine for a second what you and many others in this forum are doing. Imagine 1.3+ billion people spread across the world, in nations with a variety of histories. Do you think Indonesian Muslims can fully relate to Yugoslavian Muslims? Do you think Muslims in Chechnya can fully relate to Muslims in Kuwait? The answer is no. Some have histories rich in culture, some have histories filled with persecution and genocide, some have been raised in free societies, some have been raised in dictatoships...

It's so varied, yet you and others continually try to lump them all together around whatever rallying cry Faux News or GWB uses to sway your emotions. You perpetuate the cycle of hate by allowing the actions of a few extremists to cloud your perception about the other 1.2999 billion Muslims.

Which Muslim nation is a free society? Tell me.

Even Turkey has killed millions during the Armenian genocide.

Yes, and it's especially salient since Turkey hasn't changed in 90 years......

And in that 90 years they haven't once confronted or admitted to this issue.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The real issue is not that people are trying to force their beliefs on other people, but that people continue to be afraid of other people's beliefs. Give it a fsckin' rest and quit acting the bigot trying to stereotype a billion-plus people into one image.

Wow! Bravo! I'm standing up and clapping like I'm at the SOTU.

Seriously, albatross, the vast majority of Muslims are everyday people. They enjoy freedom, they follow the laws of the country they reside in, they value their own culture but don't frown upon others...they are like a lot of other religious people. And a lot aren't even that religious; some just choose to go through the daily grind.

I have a lot of Muslim friends at Intel, and AFAIK they follow all the laws of my state and the US just as well as Christian/Jewish/Atheist people.

I have Muslim friends that I met in college that are barely religious at all; they may have been born in another country, but they grew up in the US and have adopted American culture wholeheartedly. Islam may forbid alcohol, but my Muslim friends attended as many 'wet' parties as I did.

Try to imagine for a second what you and many others in this forum are doing. Imagine 1.3+ billion people spread across the world, in nations with a variety of histories. Do you think Indonesian Muslims can fully relate to Yugoslavian Muslims? Do you think Muslims in Chechnya can fully relate to Muslims in Kuwait? The answer is no. Some have histories rich in culture, some have histories filled with persecution and genocide, some have been raised in free societies, some have been raised in dictatoships...

It's so varied, yet you and others continually try to lump them all together around whatever rallying cry Faux News or GWB uses to sway your emotions. You perpetuate the cycle of hate by allowing the actions of a few extremists to cloud your perception about the other 1.2999 billion Muslims.

Which Muslim nation is a free society? Tell me.

Even Turkey has killed millions during the Armenian genocide.

Yes, and it's especially salient since Turkey hasn't changed in 90 years......

And in that 90 years they haven't once confronted or admitted to this issue.

And Japan tries to gloss over what it did in WW2. Hell, how in depth is our system in America over the Native Americans? Unfortunately, some don't like to talk about the worst they've done. Yes, there is the rather major issue of Turkey not even admitting it, but still, governments/countries can be quite screwed up.

I wonder how the Chinese teach the Great Leap Forward?

 

[Proletariat]

As bad as the West may be sometimes we have confronted our past.

The Chinese are a fascist state so I don't expect so much from them. And the Japanese... well thats an issue as well.