Islam prophecy and why Iran (radical Islam) will suicide for religious beliefs

[GarfieldtheCat]

--- now you are over the deep end....the answer is none!! No Christain radical or not would believe that or be willing to sign up for such a war...

John Hagee? You know him, he supported McCain in 2008? I believe he supports Israel with the expressed view that we will get a holy war which will bring about the rapture.

That close enough?

 

[Artista]

First, though I did make the post I was talking about what I heard on a radio talk show and used Google to find some of the religious material/theory he was talking about.

I looked around again: remember back a few years ago when the world in general did not know that Iran had a secret nuclear (unmonitored) site, until the USA President announced it. That was a surprise. Remember?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092500289.html

I tried finding out about the missile issue the talk show person was talking about. (It did sound a little far fetched to me at the time I heard it but it was interesting.) Below is about missiles. Medium range, potentially placed in Venezuela.

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1714/iran-missiles-in-venezuela

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.c...ab-3-missiles-in-venezuela-that-can-reach-us/

Here is a article about other type missile. (I believe.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html

I posted because I never heard any of this stuff before. (The religious theory part.) The religious theory and that the highest authority of Iran (religious leader as well) believes it is also new to me. So I figured others may want to know about it as well.

It also seems beyond rational thinking that one sect of Arabs wants to destroy another sect of Arabs. If they do that to others close to them what will they do or what are their intentions towards a Jewish state or any other free people of a different faith and way of life?

We all should respect all non-radical religions that teach of love, peace, harmony, etc with fellow world citizens, etc.

How or what does one do when other collective individuals or a country, possibly its leaders, and a unknown number of it's citizens and other collective groups want to wipe the USA, Israel, etc. and other free countries from the face of the Earth?

 

[JEDIYoda]

John Hagee? You know him, he supported McCain in 2008? I believe he supports Israel with the expressed view that we will get a holy war which will bring about the rapture.

That close enough?

Did you even read what was posted??
Let me remind you -- It may sound strange, but if you told a radical Christians that they could bring Jesus back to life by starting a holy war how many Christians would be willing to sign up for such a war even today?


First of all you are using Hagee`s words out of context.
Second if what Hagee predicts it will NOT be because we are looking to bring the Messiah back, it will be due to us being forced to go to war...sort of like Survival......

Since hagee didn`t explicitly say that by going to war it would bring Jesus back your example is nothing more than mindless dribble...

 

[Duder1no]

Anyway apparently Iran already has missiles that can hit the east coast of the United States. (Thanks to North Korea)They just have to progress a little so they can get targeting/distance a little more accurate and be able to place a nuclear warhead on the missile.

source?

 

[SandEagle]

Even if they had the capability to nuke Washington (which they don't by a long shot TMK) they're still not stupid enough to call down that thunder. Remember we have more than enough nukes to literally turn every square inch of Iran into a glass sculpture multiple time over.

The real danger in Iran getting a nuke is them slipping it to terrorists, who smuggle it in (say through Mexico after paying off drug cartels) and detonate it in a major city. Unfortunately I doubt the border will be properly secured until such an event (or similar, dirty bomb?) takes place.

lol. brainwashed twit. is it that easy to slip nooks to people? grow a pear

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

lol. brainwashed twit. is it that easy to slip nooks to people? grow a pearb

First, :biggrin:

Second, yes, it is easy to slip a nuke to someone. It wouldn't be hard at all to show up at a pre-determined spot and give a terrorist courier the keys to a pickup with a nuke in the back to be driven to a boat or plane for loading. From there, it wouldn't be hard to bring it into a central american country and drive it up to the U.S., especially with some armed guards.

 

[Infohawk]

First, :biggrin:

His "nooks" spelling was funny too.

 

[finglobes]

Reza Kahlili was on the John Batchelor Show this week talking about Iran's new warheads. Kahlili was in Iran's Revolutionary Guards and now serves as an informant (he disguises his voice on radio). He recently released a video that the regime in Iran put out. The video declares the time of the coming of the Mahdi is at hand and Israel must be destroyed (as well as several European cities). He always says the West fails to understand Iran's theology inspired behaviour which makes sense. Groups like Al Qaeda actually pursue Islam as it was created and are not renegades as western leaders so often claim.

Here is Reza's article on his site

http://atimetobetray.com/blog/does-iran-now-have-nuclear-capable-warheads/

The video he released is here..

http://atimetobetray.com/blog/iran-...-–-israel-shall-be-destroyed-watch-the-video/

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Did you even read what was posted??
Let me remind you -- It may sound strange, but if you told a radical Christians that they could bring Jesus back to life by starting a holy war how many Christians would be willing to sign up for such a war even today?

I would say Hagee would say yes, since that is almost what he is saying now, nitpicks aside. (starting the rapture isn't close enough for you?)

Since hagee didn`t explicitly say that by going to war it would bring Jesus back your example is nothing more than mindless dribble...

Suuuuurrrrrreeeeee. He just wants to start a war so everyone can go to Jesus (ie Rapture) instead of the other way around. Talk about nitpicking. He is fine with starting a war for religious purposes, that should be enough for anyone.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just because the Iranian leadership views the world differently than we do doesn't make them crazy, no matter how much our own crazy people claim that they are...

 

[Artista]

source?

Guess you overlooked my second post in the thread with links to the articles on missiles?

Originally I hear it on a radio talk show. I cannot remember who it was though. Sorry.

Check out the links, read it. This isn't science fiction or make believe.

If anyone doesn't believe the hate that others have of America and its citizens go to Iran or Iraq or Afghanistan, etc. Then in the middle of town yell "God Bless America, I am American" in the local langage and see what happens.

Just have your last will and testament and other wordly affairs in order before you do!:whiste:

Reverse that to someone that isn't a terrorist and here in the US legally and they go to a average town in the USA and yell about "God Bless "fill in blank" country and "I am "fill in the blank" country citizen.

Most Americans could care less, would just look at them, if that, (to busy sending text) and no one is going to be trying to chop their head off on a live Internet stream. (One would hope that wouldn't happen anyway.)

 

[Nemesis 1]

Go fuck yourself.

He has a point. The britts got us doing their dirty work now. How is it we wouldn't enter WWII untill late to the point were us troops can occupy US states if the people are considered to be terrorist by asswipes in DC . Fact is a topic here says 1 asswipe can make that call now or soon.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Suuuuurrrrrreeeeee. He just wants to start a war so everyone can go to Jesus (ie Rapture) instead of the other way around. Talk about nitpicking. He is fine with starting a war for religious purposes, that should be enough for anyone.

more of your fear mongering....since whgen could you read HaGee`s mind???

or did you talk to him personally??/
Either way at best your are guessing...at worst your trolling...

 

[pcgeek11]

He has a point. The britts got us doing their dirty work now. How is it we wouldn't enter WWII untill late to the point were us troops can occupy US states if the people are considered to be terrorist by asswipes in DC . Fact is a topic here says 1 asswipe can make that call now or soon.

I don't think he does.

I was only expressing my true inner feeling about all these pro radical islamic ass holes that thinks everything that doesn't go IAW their wishes is because of the USA. They are just a bunch of coward lunatics that enjoy killing innocent men women and children for their stupid ass religion. But its OK to corn hole some young boy as long as you don't touch a girl...

Too much stupid going on over there. IF I had my way we would pull everything out of all the middle east, no aid, no money, no food nothing and let them throw rocks at each other until they sort it out for themselves.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Either way at best your are guessing...at worst your trolling...

LOL coming from you.

Try googling this: john hagee israel rapture

and see what you find...plenty of articles.

How about this one? Link

Hagee's quote:

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."

So I don't need to read his mind when he makes public statements such as the above.

So again: Hagee supports a war to get the rapture. Are you done trolling yet?

 

[Oric]

When was the last time Iran started a war with another nation ?

P.s. It was Saddam which started the iran - iraq war ...

Trying to portray iran as an over aggresive nation is a delibrate act by those who have an agenda to control what iran owns today

 

[JEDIYoda]

So I don't need to read his mind when he makes public statements such as the above.

So again: Hagee supports a war to get the rapture. Are you done trolling yet?

Source.....or are you to dense to read and understand exactly what is being said?

"The United States must join---when , now or later? Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, so...when? Now? later? when exactly is the biblical end time? Even though you claim to quote HaGee...ie no links.....you do not understand HaGee.....which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."

Your problem is that Israel with or without our help will conduct a pre-emptive strike against Iran if it feels its very survival is at stake. Possibly several of them...when is the US going to join in? On which strike??

Your supposed quote of HaGee with or without a supporting link proves only one thing and that is that you believe that HaGee is advocating a pre-emptive strike NOW
We are hardly in the end times....


But YES there all hell is suppose to break out in the end time, if that is what you believe.
A battle of good versus evil so to speak......

 

[JEDIYoda]

So again: Hagee supports a war to get the rapture. Are you done trolling yet?

Trolling.....your the one who is trolling....
Please supply a link that says that HaGee supports a war to get to the rapture????
That is the most assinine comment I have ever heard somebody say.....you like taking HaGee`s words out of context don`t you?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Trolling.....your the one who is trolling....
Please supply a link that says that HaGee supports a war to get to the rapture????
That is the most assinine comment I have ever heard somebody say.....you like taking HaGee`s words out of context don`t you?

Troll, go up a couple of posts and read the quote from Hagee (BTW, it's Hagee, not HaGee, can't you at least spell?) It's directly out of his mouth.

Which part of joining Israel in a pre-emptive attack on Iran to bring about the end times is too hard for you to understand? Reading comprehension fail on your part?

Here is another source directly quoting Hagee:

Link

Hagee holds many other radical beliefs. In a 2006 address to CUFI, Hagee declared:

The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.

So again, these are his words directly. Sounds like a Christian wanting to start a religious war to me.

Now go away Troll, because you don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[routan]

Troll, go up a couple of posts and read the quote from Hagee (BTW, it's Hagee, not HaGee, can't you at least spell?) It's directly out of his mouth.

Which part of joining Israel in a pre-emptive attack on Iran to bring about the end times is too hard for you to understand? Reading comprehension fail on your part?

Here is another source directly quoting Hagee:

Link



So again, these are his words directly. Sounds like a Christian wanting to start a religious war to me.

Now go away Troll, because you don't even know what you are talking about.

Trolls like JediYoda will no doubt continue arguing despite being shown factual evidence.

 

[routan]

I heard a reporter talk about this today on the radio. I guess he is also a true expert on middle east, etc and has a show on it. (forgot his name)

Anyway apparently Iran already has missiles that can hit the east coast of the United States. (Thanks to North Korea)They just have to progress a little so they can get targeting/distance a little more accurate and be able to place a nuclear warhead on the missile. (Within a year or two) He talked about how basically Iran leaders are religiously motivated not political. He also mentioned that the Iran leaders are basically suicidal and want to die for their beliefs. (Which means, they want to nuke Israel and USA as we are the "evil" they talk about.)

So this being the case it is NOT just a Israel problem.

The reporter spoke of how "Washington" does not know how to deal with Iran because Washington deals in politics, not suicidal religious beliefs.

People have to understand that to radical Islam the USA, Democracy, freedom, etc IS the evil their holy books talk about and that is why they want to die and kill/destroy America and Israel.

They are just plain nuts of course because educating women and allowing people freedom to choose is NOT evil.

I say if they want to die so bad, bring our troops home, break out the heavy duty nuclear weapons and turn most of the mid-east into a sea of radioactive glass. :twisted: (Yet many innocents would die, so we cannot.)

http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Can you please point out specifically where Islam (radical or otherwise) believes democracy or freedom is evil? Nice that you throw in the women education bit. Factually, at least three Muslim nations have had a female head of government. How many female head of governments has our country had?

 

[Artista]

How many female head of governments has our country had?

Hillary ran Bill...does that count?:biggrin:

In Saudia Arabia women cannot drive, vote, must always have a guardian even if she is a grown woman, etc. Same way in many Arab countries along with shame/revenge killing, cutting noses off, etc. Very modern.

Let us face it if a woman in many Arab countries walked outside in a pair of mom jeans and a loose sweater she would be beaten, killed, raped, arrested, etc.

I heard another show where some Saudi college age women showed up to register to vote in Saudi Arabia, just to register mind you, and they were turned away. They did it because according to the girls it is illegal to vote, not register, so they wanted to make a political statement about womens rights. The police came soon after to investigate those high crimes.:whiste:

Please note: radical extremist Islam, the hard line rules/theology/religious law, not moderate. and how that effected the government in Iran was what the speaker I heard on the radio talk about.

Also why is there a non-point hijack of the thread going on?

Please discuss ideology/thoughts/philosophy/etc. not hurl personal insults.

Take personal fights to PM please.

 

[routan]

Hillary ran Bill...does that count?:biggrin:

In Saudia Arabia women cannot drive, vote, must always have a guardian even if she is a grown woman, etc. Same way in many Arab countries along with shame/revenge killing, cutting noses off, etc. Very modern.

Let us face it if a woman in many Arab countries walked outside in a pair of mom jeans and a loose sweater she would be beaten, killed, raped, arrested, etc.

I heard another show where some Saudi college age women showed up to register to vote in Saudi Arabia, just to register mind you, and they were turned away. They did it because according to the girls it is illegal to vote, not register, so they wanted to make a political statement about womens rights. The police came soon after to investigate those high crimes.:whiste:

Please note: radical extremist Islam, the hard line rules/theology/religious law, not moderate. and how that effected the government in Iran was what the speaker I heard on the radio talk about.

Also why is there a non-point hijack of the thread going on?

Please discuss ideology/thoughts/philosophy/etc. not hurl personal insults.

Take personal fights to PM please.

No, it doesnt count. Again, I ask you, Can you please point out specifically where Islam (radical or otherwise) believes democracy or freedom is evil?

In America, 90,000 women are raped every year. There is an arrest rate of 25%. Wow. That must mean America is really a terrible country, yes?

In Saudi Arabia, a women is not allowed to drive. But in Egypt, she is. Which one these countries in your mind reflects Islam?

Tell you what, why dont you go back to your radio, and learn ideologies/philosphy/world religions from some mutt, yes?

 

[Artista]

It is not so cut and dry, meaning it is a complicated issue. Here is a good start that at least covers the basics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

Perhaps it is better said: There are those that kill in the name of and use Islam as justification to do harm and murder to others.

One has to admit that the strict religious laws and attitudes of zealots makes life very hard on the common folk. (...and that is just regarding the Republican neo-cons...then there is strict Islamic law and strict Islam states/nations to consider.)

Perhaps if no religion existed the world would be a better place. (Since man takes even good things and twists it into Evil.):|

 

[Rainsford]

It is not so cut and dry, meaning it is a complicated issue. Here is a good start that at least covers the basics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

Perhaps it is better said: There are those that kill in the name of and use Islam as justification to do harm and murder to others.

But is that really a conclusion about anything? There are those that kill for other reasons, and justify it in their own minds some other way. "Radical Islam" is frequently given special treatment as an excuse, but I'm not really sure that really makes sense except that Islam itself is more alien in the west than other reasons people kill each other.

One has to admit that the strict religious laws and attitudes of zealots makes life very hard on the common folk. (...and that is just regarding the Republican neo-cons...then there is strict Islamic law and strict Islam states/nations to consider.)

I would say that's probably true, but while some terrorists seem to spring from the ranks of the bottom rung of societies that are already pretty far down to begin with, plenty of terrorists come from parts of their societies that you couldn't really call especially repressed. I'm not really sure anyone has figured out why extreme ideologies catch on with some people and not others, but I don't think it's limited to folks who are just pissed off at society in general to begin with.

Perhaps if no religion existed the world would be a better place. (Since man takes even good things and twists it into Evil.):|

I'm not so sure. I think assholes would find some other excuse for their actions. Religion IS a great justification for doing things that otherwise seem totally ridiculous, but there are plenty of others out there.