Islam prophecy and why Iran (radical Islam) will suicide for religious beliefs

Artista

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I heard a reporter talk about this today on the radio. I guess he is also a true expert on middle east, etc and has a show on it. (forgot his name)

Anyway apparently Iran already has missiles that can hit the east coast of the United States. (Thanks to North Korea)They just have to progress a little so they can get targeting/distance a little more accurate and be able to place a nuclear warhead on the missile. (Within a year or two) He talked about how basically Iran leaders are religiously motivated not political. He also mentioned that the Iran leaders are basically suicidal and want to die for their beliefs. (Which means, they want to nuke Israel and USA as we are the "evil" they talk about.)

So this being the case it is NOT just a Israel problem.

The reporter spoke of how "Washington" does not know how to deal with Iran because Washington deals in politics, not suicidal religious beliefs.

People have to understand that to radical Islam the USA, Democracy, freedom, etc IS the evil their holy books talk about and that is why they want to die and kill/destroy America and Israel.

They are just plain nuts of course because educating women and allowing people freedom to choose is NOT evil.o_O

I say if they want to die so bad, bring our troops home, break out the heavy duty nuclear weapons and turn most of the mid-east into a sea of radioactive glass. :twisted: (Yet many innocents would die, so we cannot.)

http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi
 
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Infohawk

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What program was this? I really doubt they have the ability to strike the East Coast of the US, but if you have evidence i'm open to it.

Edit: this is the kind of misguided fear that led to the Iraq debacle. I am a big critic of Islam, but it doesn't pose a conventional threat. The way to deal with Islam is to contain it just like we did with communism.
 
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pcgeek11

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What program was this? I really doubt they have the ability to strike the East Coast of the US, but if you have evidence i'm open to it.

This. Show us the money.... I don't think they have the ability to hit anything outside of the middle east.
 

irishScott

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Even if they had the capability to nuke Washington (which they don't by a long shot TMK) they're still not stupid enough to call down that thunder. Remember we have more than enough nukes to literally turn every square inch of Iran into a glass sculpture multiple time over.

The real danger in Iran getting a nuke is them slipping it to terrorists, who smuggle it in (say through Mexico after paying off drug cartels) and detonate it in a major city. Unfortunately I doubt the border will be properly secured until such an event (or similar, dirty bomb?) takes place.
 

IGBT

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they're waiting for their religious troll who fell into a well eons ago to return.
 

Craig234

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Another example of why right-wing talk radio is bad. They're RADICAL, I say USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO KILL EVERYONE IN THEIR COUNTRY, radical is bad!
 

Siddhartha

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I doubt North Korea has a launching platform that could reach that far. What other countries besides the US and Russia has an intercontinental missle?
 

EagleKeeper

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NK missiles have failed in their long distance launches. - those that might be able to reach Alaska (more of a mid range)

Iran needs to photoshop their mid range missile launches.

Please think of what you are posting about before echoing nonsense.
 

pcgeek11

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Another example of why right-wing talk radio is bad. They're RADICAL, I say USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO KILL EVERYONE IN THEIR COUNTRY, radical is bad!

Why would you want to do this? No one said this. Irishscott just stated that we have a capability to do this many times over, not that we would or should do it.

Even the somewhat looney OP said he wanted to nuke the entire Mid East, but put this as a note at the end: " (Yet many innocents would die, so we cannot.) "
 

Zebo

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Just read Quran and study history of Islamic Conquests, half of Europe at one time. Lots will die before Americans wake up to the fact it's fascism dressed as religion and we start a new colonization to buffer them.
 

ProfJohn

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People forget that Iran is a Shia country who believes:
Shi'as believe that Imam al-Mahdi will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war emerges between the human race for no reason. At this time, it is believed, half of the true believers will ride from Yemen carrying white flags to Makkah, while the other half will ride from Karbala, in Iraq, carrying black flags to Makkah. At this time, Imam al-Mahdi will come wielding Allah's Sword, the Blade of Evil's Bane, Zulfiqar (Arabic: &#1584;&#1608; &#1575;&#1604;&#1601;&#1602;&#1575;&#1585;, &#240;&#363; l-fiq&#257;r), the Double-Bladed Sword. He will also come and reveal the texts in his possession, such as al-Jafr and al-Jamia.
Some of them may even believe that they can bring about the return of the Mahdi be starting this chaos.

It may sound strange, but if you told a radical Christians that they could bring Jesus back to life by starting a holy war how many Christians would be willing to sign up for such a war even today?
 

Siddhartha

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How many nukes does Iran have?

How would turning their country into a radioactive waste land, which would happen if they fired a nuke at the US, be beneficial?

Why would they do that?
 

Abwx

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Just read Quran and study history of Islamic Conquests, half of Europe at one time. Lots will die before Americans wake up to the fact it's fascism dressed as religion and we start a new colonization to buffer them.

LOLZ...
The white supremacist clothing the others with his own
racists and fascist beliefs as a covert to justify eventual
futurs crimes...

Truth is that democratically elected government of Iran
was removed by a US/UK sponsored state coup to bring
the shah as ruler..

Keep on your land and stop using such propagandas
as a covert to have a say in their ressources , since
you cant live without looting other s nation s wealthes..
 

pcgeek11

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LOLZ...
The white supremacist clothing the others with his own
racists and fascist beliefs as a covert to justify eventual
futurs crimes...

Truth is that democratically elected government of Iran
was removed by a US/UK sponsored state coup to bring
the shah as ruler..

Keep on your land and stop using such propagandas
as a covert to have a say in their ressources , since
you cant live without looting other s nation s wealthes..

Go fuck yourself.
 

ProfJohn

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LOLZ...
The white supremacist clothing the others with his own
racists and fascist beliefs as a covert to justify eventual
futurs crimes...

Truth is that democratically elected government of Iran
was removed by a US/UK sponsored state coup to bring
the shah as ruler..

Keep on your land and stop using such propagandas
as a covert to have a say in their ressources , since
you cant live without looting other s nation s wealthes..
You're so clueless that it is scary.

60 years ago we put the Shah in power, does that excuse the Iranian government from its actions today? Such as shootings its own people in the street?

Or excuse their often stated goal of eliminating Israel from existence?
 

NoStateofMind

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LOLZ...
The white supremacist clothing the others with his own
racists and fascist beliefs as a covert to justify eventual
futurs crimes...

Truth is that democratically elected government of Iran
was removed by a US/UK sponsored state coup to bring
the shah as ruler..

Keep on your land and stop using such propagandas
as a covert to have a say in their ressources , since
you cant live without looting other s nation s wealthes..

This is what a pre-emptive, progressive, democracy at the barrel of a gun to protect our "interests" produces. Can you really blame Arab countries for thinking this way? How many have we had our bombs on? Bases? Political influence? Our foreign policy has needed to change for decades. The question now is, once we have realized how our intervention has shaped minds and political opposition, if we pull back now what would the consequences be? Surely those who have been wronged will want revenge. It disgusts me that we have erred so far from our values abroad and domestically.
 

Zebo

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This is what a pre-emptive, progressive, democracy at the barrel of a gun to protect our "interests" produces. Can you really blame Arab countries for thinking this way? How many have we had our bombs on? Bases? Political influence? Our foreign policy has needed to change for decades. The question now is, once we have realized how our intervention has shaped minds and political opposition, if we pull back now what would the consequences be? Surely those who have been wronged will want revenge. It disgusts me that we have erred so far from our values abroad and domestically.

Not really that's what Islam produces. Nice try though. Thomas Jefferson studied the religion when we had no bases or entanglements after muslims waged a war of piracy and enslavement against all shipping that passed through the Strait of Gibraltar, taking a thousands of commercial ships, and more than a million Europeans and Americans were sold into slavery and TJ had this to say when politicians kept it real:
http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/
"The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise. "

The Barbary Wars and subsequent colonization was result of their aggression. I think we'll see same in future unless they chill the fuck out and get into 21st century.
 
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Zebo

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LOLZ...
The white supremacist clothing the others with his own
racists and fascist beliefs as a covert to justify eventual
futurs crimes...

Truth is that democratically elected government of Iran
was removed by a US/UK sponsored state coup to bring
the shah as ruler..

Keep on your land and stop using such propagandas
as a covert to have a say in their ressources , since
you cant live without looting other s nation s wealthes..

I'm least racist person you'll ever meet. But I am also most intolerant of intolerance.
 

Craig234

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Even the somewhat looney OP said he wanted to nuke the entire Mid East, but put this as a note at the end: " (Yet many innocents would die, so we cannot.) "

I didn't see that last bit when I posted. I see his post was edited, so I'm not sure if it was there or not.

Regardless, it doesn't completely change the point. Calling for "break out the heavy duty nuclear weapons and turn most of the mid-east into a sea of radioactive glass" isn't changed all that much by a paranthetical and contradictory restraint - the sentiment is still there.

It's a little like telling your next door neighbors whose ball goes in your yard you should get your shotgun and blow them into little pieces - but can't since it's excessive.
 

Jaskalas

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At this time, Imam al-Mahdi will come wielding Allah's Sword, the Blade of Evil's Bane, Zulfiqar (Arabic: &#1584;&#1608; &#1575;&#1604;&#1601;&#1602;&#1575;&#1585;, ð&#363; l-fiq&#257;r), the Double-Bladed Sword.

Doubled edged sword... nuclear weapons?
 

SunnyD

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#1 - North Korea doesn't have the capability to hit the US yet (aside from outlying islands in Alaska), let alone ICBM technology.

#2 - There's nothing wrong with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion. The problem is with extremists, across ALL religions. Islam actually is probably one of the most peaceful religions on the planet... but just like any religion it's meaning can be twisted and perverted by an extremist.

#3 - Yep, I'll give you the one where Iran is ruled by religious zealots with no notion of "politics".
 

JEDIYoda

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It may sound strange, but if you told a radical Christians that they could bring Jesus back to life by starting a holy war how many Christians would be willing to sign up for such a war even today?
--- now you are over the deep end....the answer is none!! No Christain radical or not would believe that or be willing to sign up for such a war...