ISIS executes 19 girls for refusing to perform sexual jihad

[OutHouse]

This thread needs locked, thanks to the usual thread capper it's totally off topic.

 

[Orignal Earl]

This thread needs locked, thanks to the usual thread capper it's totally off topic.

Man...even when you ignore me you can't stop seeing info that goes against your belief system.
Maybe you need to withdrawn even more to retain it

 

[WhipperSnapper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I said: "...they don't like their true religion...just like many Catholics don't like religious prohibitions on birth control and abortion."

I don't see how the No True Scotsman fallacy applies here. Prohibitions on birth control and abortion are core tenets of Catholicism. Likewise, ISIS is closer to the Quran than the less devout Muslims.

 

[Darwin333]

Maybe it isn't, but if so we need to be consistent. Close down our military bases, bring all our troops home, stop spying, just lock down our borders and stick to ourselves. If this isn't our fight, then nothing is our fight until it arrives on our shores or everyone agrees it's the next world war. I'm okay either way, but for fuck's sake let's pick a lane and stay in it.

Well for the time being we need the region to keep the oil flowing, anything that seriously threatens that or might be a threat and we will intervene.

FAR worse atrocities have happened and are happening in Africa and how many calls for full scale invasions have you heard, completely wiping the responsible groups off the face of the Earth or how many Carrier Battle Groups do we have constantly in their waters?

 

[dank69]

The people under control of ISIS are all slaves.
The nature of slavery is abuse, and disposal.

It is the very reason I call for the organized extermination of ISIS via military force.

How about you go in first, since you are so eager to send thousands more of our kids to their deaths?

 

[Ricochet]

Everything I read about ISIS is that they are very Islamic. Westernized & peaceful Muslims don't follow the Qur'an to the letter for obvious reason. It's pretty much the same as Christians choosing to ignore much of the Old Testament. They don't like to admit it but modern Muslims & Christians adapted secular ideology to co-exist with each other, other religious groups, and non-believers. When you follow ancient text it's going to get violent.

 

[davmat787]

It's sad that the Islamphobes start to do their thing in every Daesh thread, maybe you could give me a hand in trying to set them straight

Ok, let's continue playing your game.

Please quote the specific islamphobic statement that made you feel the need to make your post and set things straight.

Thread is about ISIS aka daesh, and you are trying to set things straight, so quoting the islamophobic statement should be easy.

These are your rules that I quoted and are using. Calling out ISIS for what they are isn't an example of islamophobic hysteria either.

 

[davmat787]

How about you go in first, since you are so eager to send thousands more of our kids to their deaths?

The injury that dq'ed me from the military while in ROTC eats at me now more than ever. I'd love to take point and assist the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS.

And I'd be a prolific uploader of kill shots and enjoy trolling the hell out of the bastards while it lasted.

I couldn't think of any more righteous path than turning those pedophile assholes into pink martyr paste. To be the tip of God's avenging spear would be incredibly fulfilling and I don't even believe in God(s). If you've ever witnessed the sheer terror in the children's faces up top Mt. Sinjar as they witnessed wholesale slaughter of parents and villages in addition to being surrounded by ISIS and still not favor the extermination of ISIS because they weren't "our people" one must be dead inside.

Recruiters talked me out of enlisting right out of high school and instead do the college/ROTC route. Had I not listened the injury never would have happened but that's life.

Still talk is cheap, especially in an internet forum, so I do understand your point. However the military is supposed to be under civilian control ultimately and not having a personal stake shouldn't preclude one from being able to give opinion on the use of military force.

 

[davmat787]

The neocon dreams of some liberal democratic enclave in the ME is bullshit, and certainly won't be built by our bombs. There is no winning there, just making things shitty in a different way.

You're perhaps referring to the Kurds achieving their long sought after statehood. Kurdistan of course being the country.

With all that is in play due to ISIS, Syrian civil war and territory lost, Turkey showing their true colors, .etc, the Kurdish dream of a modern secular state with Western values and democracy, religious freedom, and equal rights for the womens is probably closer to reality now than any other time in the last 50 years. Still probably won't happen however.

A Kurdistan of this nature would truly be a source of light that is surrounded by darkness and medieval mentality.

With so much media showing Kurdish bravery and success and leadership in fighting ISIS more people around the world than ever support Kurdish independence.

Worst case they return to their autonomous regions and self government.

 

[DCal430]

ISIS is Islamic, it represents the heart of Islam. People who say ISIS aren't Muslim are no different than those who claim the westboro baptist church followers aren't Christian, or those who claim Hitler and the Nazi weren't mostly Christians. They are and were Christians.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ok, let's continue playing your game.

Please quote the specific islamphobic statement that made you feel the need to make your post and set things straight.

Thread is about ISIS aka daesh, and you are trying to set things straight, so quoting the islamophobic statement should be easy.

These are your rules that I quoted and are using. Calling out ISIS for what they are isn't an example of islamophobic hysteria either.

Pretty sure this thread is about ISIS; never miss your chance to take a shot at the US or deflect from Islam do you?

Religion of peace?

So people keep saying. Ignore the evidence, just Listen and Believe.


(Everyone should look up "taqiyya".)

These are aimed at Islam not Daesh
Do you want me to look up other quotes from the same posters ?

 

[davmat787]

These are aimed at Islam not Daesh
Do you want me to look up other quotes from the same posters ?

No, I want you to quote the exact islamophobic statement that prompted your U.S. - ISIS equivocation. You said you make these kind of remarks in hopes of setting things straight.

There was only 3 posts in the thread before you made the remarks in post #4. Two of the three were authored by me even.

So it should be easy to quote the islamophobic portion that gives you cause to make your comments that are in question.

 

[Orignal Earl]

No, I want you to quote the exact islamophobic statement that prompted your U.S. - ISIS equivocation. You said you make these kind of remarks in hopes of setting things straight.

There was only 3 posts in the thread before you made the remarks in post #4. Two of the three were authored by me even.

So it should be easy to quote the islamophobic portion that gives you cause to make your comments that are in question.

Like I said before, and posted examples of, I've often posted about the human trafficking problem in the US.
I guess I should not of brought up Americans involved in the sexual slavery trade in your Daesh sexual slavery thread
It upsets too many people

 

[davmat787]

Like I said before, and posted examples of, I've often posted about the human trafficking problem in the US.
I guess I should not of brought up Americans involved in the sexual slavery trade in your Daesh sexual slavery thread
It upsets too many people

People aren't upset because of a perceived slight at the U.S. Many times you have tried saying this is to blame but no.

The problem as many different people have told you is your addiction to making false equivocations with the U.S. or elsewhere in Islam related threads and that everyone sees through this while you continue to deny it.

In this thread you felt it appropriate to suggest human trafficking on U.S. soil is the same as ISIS human trafficking and the other aspects to it that I mentioned in my OP.

You said you do this when Islamophobic statements are made, what did I say that was islamophobic?

It seems anything that can be perceived as a negative connection to Islam makes you so upset that you think the enslavement, buying and selling, sexual abuse, and execution of religious minorities is identical to U.S. human trafficking.

ISIS does all this and more in a fucking town square and provides pricing for children as young as 1! And do all this to further fund the same behavior and the brutality they are notorious for!

And then suggest we take exception to all this because we're butthurt you mentioned the U.S.!! That's what is exceptionally offensive.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You said you do this when Islamophobic statements are made, what did I say that was islamophobic?

Can you show me where I said this?

 

[DCal430]

Like I said before, and posted examples of, I've often posted about the human trafficking problem in the US.
I guess I should not of brought up Americans involved in the sexual slavery trade in your Daesh sexual slavery thread
It upsets too many people

You brought up something totally irrelevant. You think Canada and Europe don't have human trafficking. Their is a huge difference in the human trafficking that ISIS promotes and illegal trafficking in the west

 

[Orignal Earl]

I've never made an equivalence of anything in America to Daesh either
You seem to be imagining things

 

[Orignal Earl]

You brought up something totally irrelevant. You think Canada and Europe don't have human trafficking. Their is a huge difference in the human trafficking that ISIS promotes and illegal trafficking in the west

You need to reread my posts in this thread

 

[Orignal Earl]

Oh wait..is it because I said you could start your own execution channel when you suggested making the executions public?

 

[davmat787]

In an attempt to foster discussion of the war against ISIS, here are a couple of videos showing Kurdish forces bringing the pain home to ISIS. Both are not too recent, but rather classics.

As one should expect of videos documenting warfare, all warnings apply. If the death of pedophile rapist murderers offends you or your on Team ISIS you may not want to view.

Kurds Raid ISIS Stronghold, Suicide Bomber Detonates to win gold in the freestyle mega air category: http://www.funker530.com/kurds-raid-isis-stronghold-suicide-bomber-detonates/

Kurds Destroy 2 ISIS Armored Vehicles In Minutes, the second is hit with an ATGM right as the fleeing ISIS fighters are about to get in: http://www.funker530.com/kurds-destroy-2-isis-armored-vehicles-in-minutes/

 

[davmat787]

Can you show me where I said this?

Either it was in a different thread, in an edited post, or completely a figment of my imagination. Didn't you recently say something to the effect of making the posts many take exception with to show the behavior in question isn't unique to Muslims and expose islamophobic thinking?

If I did attribute this falsely to you I sincerely apologize, that wasn't my intention.

Besides you could clarify all of this by telling us why you continuously make equivocating posts when you read what you consider to be islamophobic thinking. An example of this world be post #4 in tho thread, which I believe is your first post of this thread.

Why did you feel the need to mention human trafficking in the U.S. and suggest it equal to the behavior I mentioned in my OP?

I am genuinely interested.

 

[MongGrel]

 

[Orignal Earl]

Either it was in a different thread, in an edited post, or completely a figment of my imagination. Didn't you recently say something to the effect of making the posts many take exception with to show the behavior in question isn't unique to Muslims and expose islamophobic thinking?

If I did attribute this falsely to you I sincerely apologize, that wasn't my intention.

Besides you could clarify all of this by telling us why you continuously make equivocating posts when you read what you consider to be islamophobic thinking. An example of this world be post #4 in tho thread, which I believe is your first post of this thread.

Why did you feel the need to mention human trafficking in the U.S. and suggest it equal to the behavior I mentioned in my OP?

I am genuinely interested.

I know it really bothers people when I point to our own backyard

This is what I said in this thread, when I have pointed out posters being hypocrites about foreign news stories
This has nothing to do with any Islam threads

Besides you could clarify all of this by telling us why you continuously make equivocating posts when you read what you consider to be islamophobic thinking. An example of this world be post #4 in tho thread, which I believe is your first post of this thread.

Why did you feel the need to mention human trafficking in the U.S. and suggest it equal to the behavior I mentioned in my OP?

I don't continuously make equivocating posts when I read what I consider to be islamophobic thinking
Unless I guess when I've pointed out that some posters here are no different then the Taliban, like Capt Death Threat
There was no islamophobic thinking going on yet when I mentioned the American human trafficking in this thread

Its now been pointed out to me that there is a big difference between American human trafficking and Daesh human trafficking because they do it and their executions in public

 

[werepossum]

"That new name is ‘Daesh’. If you've followed coverage of this attempted official linguistic sea change, you'll have gathered that the new name, although it’s just an Arabic acronym equivalent to the English 'ISIS', apparently delegitimises the organisation, mocks them, and thus drives them to threaten taking violent retribution on anyone who uses it."

...

the use of this word is part of a multi-pronged, diverse range of efforts by Arabs and Muslims to reject the terrorists’ linguistic posturing, their pseudo-classical use of Arabic, their claims to Quranic authority and an absolute foundation in sacred scripture, as reflected in their pompous name

https://www.freewordcentre.com/blog/2015/02/daesh-isis-media-alice-guthrie/

I'm sure you see some value in allowing them to establish their state while attacking their feelings. Personally I don't see it. Pretending to ignore their Islamic fundamentalist nature may make a lot of people feel better about themselves but it is not worth much to those people forced to live under their rule.

Bit hyperbolic eh? I think there is a middle part between re-invading Iraq/Syria and turtling-up.




As said above, no one else is lining up to take another run at the briar patch. So many of them are more impacted than we are, but do nothing overly aggressive. So why us?

Boko Haram, al shabab, Mexican drug cartels, Kony, list goes on and on where bad shit is going on, humans are being abused/enslaved/murdered, and we aren't going to move in. Why Syria?

You get past the tear jerking stories and bravado of conquest, and you hear nothing of a plan of how we actually achieve any better state.

The neocon dreams of some liberal democratic enclave in the ME is bullshit, and certainly won't be built by our bombs. There is no winning there, just making things shitty in a different way.

Ain't nothing in the middle of the road but dead skunks. Although I am satisfied with Obama's strategy (to the degree he has a strategy) as whether by design or default, he is forcing the neighboring states to shoulder the bulk of their own defense, as is proper.

'Daesh' adopted as new name for ISIS by U.S., France

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daesh-adopted-as-new-name-for-isis-by-u-s-france-1.2861108

Hopefully now you won't choose to be willfully blind, but I doubt it
You could always ignore me like a lot of Islamphobes do

lol I am not being willfully blind, I am rejecting the value of political correctness in fighting a war for the future of civilization. Hint: refusing to call the Third Reich National Socialists would not have kept them out of France.

 

[werepossum]

The injury that dq'ed me from the military while in ROTC eats at me now more than ever. I'd love to take point and assist the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS.

And I'd be a prolific uploader of kill shots and enjoy trolling the hell out of the bastards while it lasted.

I couldn't think of any more righteous path than turning those pedophile assholes into pink martyr paste. To be the tip of God's avenging spear would be incredibly fulfilling and I don't even believe in God(s). If you've ever witnessed the sheer terror in the children's faces up top Mt. Sinjar as they witnessed wholesale slaughter of parents and villages in addition to being surrounded by ISIS and still not favor the extermination of ISIS because they weren't "our people" one must be dead inside.

Recruiters talked me out of enlisting right out of high school and instead do the college/ROTC route. Had I not listened the injury never would have happened but that's life.

Still talk is cheap, especially in an internet forum, so I do understand your point. However the military is supposed to be under civilian control ultimately and not having a personal stake shouldn't preclude one from being able to give opinion on the use of military force.

Well said, sir.