IS250 vs. TSX

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

That's not true at all. Most FWD cars suffer from at least mild torque steer and understeer. That can be felt quite easily by a driver (especially the enthusiast driver).

In some cases that's correct. Under normal driving on a smooth road, you probably wouldn't be able to tell what type of driveline is under you. Now add poor road conditions, bumps, and quick changes in elevation and you'll definitely feel that torque steer and loss of traction with a FWD.

 

[Vegito]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


That's not true at all. Most FWD cars suffer from at least mild torque steer and understeer. That can be felt quite easily by a driver (especially the enthusiast driver).

That is true for the tsx... not going to lie and tell you how great it was, but a 99 dollar 22mm rear anti-sway bar fix that understeer problem.. comptech usa (rubber bushing), H&R (poly bushing) , progressive (with poly bushing). Takes about 1 hour to install if you got jacks and friends...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

That's not true at all. Most FWD cars suffer from at least mild torque steer and understeer. That can be felt quite easily by a driver (especially the enthusiast driver).

Yes, and 99.9% of driving is done in situations where torque steer and understeer wouldn't be a factor, e.g. straight line cruising, steady acceleration, going less than very aggressively around turns

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Vegito

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: spidey07

Unless you are making over 100K a year you shouldn't even be looking at either of these.

Uh, ok?

spidey is right.. even making over 100k, why would u waste money on something that depreciates..

Utility, obviously.

How about fun? If you never buy anything that depreciates about the only thing you'll ever own is an empty house.

Oh yeah, same reason a lot of people here like manual trans; Its just more FUN!

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

the tsx w/ navi is <30k OTD. my sister bought it for 29.3k. You'll be lucky to find a barebones IS250 MT w/ navi for 33k right now. Most dealers have it w/ atleast the premium package, which puts the price over 35 w/ navi. Even at that price you're not getting xenon headlamps.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
It seems the primary reason people get RWD cars these days is to impress high school kids who talk like this:

Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

and for autocross... altho, having FWD really helped me out in the rain it seems at the last event

 

[Vegito]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

spidey is right.. even making over 100k, why would u waste money on something that depreciates..

Utility, obviously.[/quote]

How about fun? If you never buy anything that depreciates about the only thing you'll ever own is an empty house.

Oh yeah, same reason a lot of people here like manual trans; Its just more FUN![/quote]

given todays high interest rate.. it's not fun to see peoples house get foreclose and other stuff.. but its fun for me to see since i'm in the market to buy..

 

[NutBucket]

Meh, I bought mine at a low rate. I can't condone what other do or don't do....only offer possible reasoning

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

It seems the primary reason people get RWD cars these days is to impress high school kids who talk like this:

Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

[Edit] And yes, I currently own one of each, RWD and FWD

HAHA, calling me a high school kid. Now that's rich.

LOL, I learned to drive when I was 8. I was actually DRIVING when I was 11. It's legal down here in texas you know to actually drive without a drivers license in one of two circumstances. 1) On private property only or 2) if using a vehicle for farm use only and then it can be driven on a public roadway. I used to help drive bails of hay around for my uncles farm So yah, I started driving a truck before you probably knew what a stick shift was.

And adrenaline factor is only there because of inexperience usually due to age. It's NEW so it drives up the adrenaline for everything. Also, different people react differently. So age has nothing to do with it. Experience and training does when it comes to handling a car. OR anything else for that matter. Plus a bit of talent doesn't hurt either.

And I've driven FWD, AWD, RWD, and even cars with 3 wheels. Okay, well I've ridden in 3 wheel cars, crazy brits, but got enough of a feel to know how they handle (badly). I still stand by my claim. AWD or RWD. FWD you feel as if someone else is doing the driving. Just like why I can't stand ATs. Plus, the damn torque steering from accelerating is annoying on FWD cars. GAH. Plus, I don't like wearing the clutch and brakes out as fast when I like to drive the car hard. If you want to slide in a FWD you have to hit the brakes to oversteer instead of just accelerating through the turn. Not that I do it much anymore mind you, but it can be a thrill to do it in my RX8 on occasion. Made one guy almost crap his pants that was riding with me

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

It seems the primary reason people get RWD cars these days is to impress high school kids who talk like this:

Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

[Edit] And yes, I currently own one of each, RWD and FWD

HAHA, calling me a high school kid. Now that's rich.

LOL, I learned to drive when I was 8. I was actually DRIVING when I was 11. It's legal down here in texas you know to actually drive without a drivers license in one of two circumstances. 1) On private property only or 2) if using a vehicle for farm use only and then it can be driven on a public roadway. I used to help drive bails of hay around for my uncles farm So yah, I started driving a truck before you probably knew what a stick shift was.

And adrenaline factor is only there because of inexperience usually due to age. It's NEW so it drives up the adrenaline for everything. Also, different people react differently. So age has nothing to do with it. Experience and training does when it comes to handling a car. OR anything else for that matter. Plus a bit of talent doesn't hurt either.

And I've driven FWD, AWD, RWD, and even cars with 3 wheels. Okay, well I've ridden in 3 wheel cars, crazy brits, but got enough of a feel to know how they handle (badly). I still stand by my claim. AWD or RWD. FWD you feel as if someone else is doing the driving. Just like why I can't stand ATs. Plus, the damn torque steering from accelerating is annoying on FWD cars. GAH. Plus, I don't like wearing the clutch and brakes out as fast when I like to drive the car hard. If you want to slide in a FWD you have to hit the brakes to oversteer instead of just accelerating through the turn. Not that I do it much anymore mind you, but it can be a thrill to do it in my RX8 on occasion. Made one guy almost crap his pants that was riding with me

wrong, adrenaline is a factor because of the amount of testosterone coursing thru the body of an adolescent boy. this is not an opinion of mine, it's fact.

 

[PKPunk]

Those prices are way off, I bought my TSX with nav and leather steering wheel for 27,700 it was 30,300 out the door. The IS is a sweet car and I would have bought it if it were out last year, but the TSX is a much better value.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I once had a chance to play along with a TSX on the freeway. Without looking at numbers, it did pickup quite quick around the 70-80mph range but still no comparison to mine. Then I looked at its 1/4mile time and it's pulling low 16's, high 15's. I couldn't believe it was that slow. A TL on the other hand would be side by side with mine, I think.

On a side note, this girl at work is getting an IS250. Upgrading from a TSX.

i have no idea why someone would actually trade in a tsx for an is250. i think if they cost the same the is250 is the better car. but it probably isnt worth losing all that money in trade for such as that.

also for the people who are saying torque steer this torque steer that.

the tsx isnt a nissan maxima. honda is well in my opinion a lot better about dialing out torque steer than nissan. plus its only got 166 lb ft or torque (for 05 anyway) which is not in the "too much for fwd" category that say an avalon, neon srt4 etc are in.

also i know that in california you HAVE to buy a premium package and 18" rims jsut to buy an is250 unless you buy one that is awd which each dealer has maybe 0 of.

that is what every dealer told me, and on lexus' site you cannot configure it without the sport rims and a premium package.

seriously is250 , really slow baby gs. the manual time was 0-60 in 7.9 and that is lexus' published figures.

plus the manual one gets worse gas milage than the is350 auto for some reason. lexus' claimed 0-60 on the is350 is 5.3 by comparison. i dont think acura puts up times for 0-60 but i know 6mt is about 7.2-7.5 just about 8 seconds flat on the 5at maybe a few tenths more.

someone commented that the tsx 0-60 on auto is 8.5 or 9 depending on skill. regardless of the actual time, i'm wondering exactly how much skill there is to mashing the throttle?

anyway, one thing i've noticed in the tsx is it has a lot of freeway passing power in the 30-80 range relative to its mediocre 0-60 for its class. i suppose for a real person who drives this car not as a wannabe race car that is more important. as i dont find myself doing stoplight races anywhere near as often as changing lanes on the freeway.

 

[ShowdOWN]

nothing really interesting to write home about the TSX. just a plain jane acura with standard features. the IS on the other hand has some hot features. keyless entry, push button ignition, xenon style interior lights, gauges that glow from whtie to orange when you hit 80Mph...... nuff said. o yeah, i forgot about the looks and performance comparison.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: NFS4
IS250 FTW. Nuff said

:laugh:

LMAO thanks for the laughs :thumbsup:

 

[Vegito]

Originally posted by: ShowdOWN
nothing really interesting to write home about the TSX. just a plain jane acura with standard features. the IS on the other hand has some hot features. keyless entry, push button ignition, xenon style interior lights, gauges that glow from whtie to orange when you hit 80Mph...... nuff said. o yeah, i forgot about the looks and performance comparison.

again you're comparing an old car thats been out for a while to a new model.. of course they'll throw all the good stuff in there... and btw the tsx is basically an accord for skinny people...

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
It seems the primary reason people get RWD cars these days is to impress high school kids who talk like this:

Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

DING DING DING DING

:thumbsup:


EDIT: Autocross? Riiight, because a large percentage of Lexus buyers actually go auto-x. lol... let alone the people here who preach RWD > *.