IS250 vs. TSX

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hans007

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i bought a 2005 tsx with nav a month ago for $26300 + tax. since all of you guys who don't own either car seem to be experts on them, i will chime in since i actually have one of them. for a lot of people its a great car, it also costs about 5 or 6 grand less than a TL.

yes it is no rwd. i have owned a g35 coupe (apparently everyone's favorite car here) and it is rwd. driven a bunch of bmws and i've test driven the is350 at the lexus test event.

anyhow, equivalently equipped a is250 will cost like $5000 more than a tsx. i guess the difference is not so bad since you want a manual. but you wont be able to haggle on an is250 and you can easily get $1500 under msrp even on a 2006 tsx.

i've never actually driven an is250, but i've driven an is350. is350 is really cramped inside the rear leg room is probably worse than sitting in the back of a g35 coupe and the headroom is pretty bad too. specs say its over 5 cubic feet less interior space. in my opinion they should hav ejust made the IS a coupe, since it is barely useful as a sedan.

most reports online say they should be around the same 0-60 wise or the is250 is a bit slower (i'm comparing auto ones, since i have an AUTO tsx), the disparity is suppoed to be even bigger for stick ones.

yes i know you have just branded me not a man, my g35 coupe was also auto. for normal driving the rwd vs fwd aspect probably doesn't make much of a difference.

the only time a g35 with rwd really felt like the rwd matter was at over 100 mph , in fact it really helped at 130mph because the weight is on the rear wheels at that speed. i wouldn't even drive the tsx at that speed if i could it would be stupid.

anyways, for a normal person who wants a fairly sporty car, i think for the money the tsx is probably better. i also think that from my experience driving the is350, that the tsx's steering and traction control are not as intrusive. the IS has a very intrusive traction control system which makes it less controllable than say a bmw 5 series in high speed turns. my opinion anyway (they had a 5 series at the event to compare with which i also drove).

anyways, i know you guys are very pro rwd, etc etc. pro manual etc. this totally depends on where you live. if it takes 40 minutes to drive 5 miles in your town ever such as mine, you may like the auto.

if you are going to extensively autocross or race the car you end up buying, dont get EITHER of these cars. buy a mazdaspeed6, an STI, EVO9 anything.

if you want a fairly sporty luxury car, neither of these cars will be driven at 90+ mph for long enough for the fwd/rwd factor to matter.

the tsx weighs about 200 pounds less than an equivalent IS250 for auto and about 150 pounds less for stick. 2006 tsx's have more hp, bluetooth and a few other features etc. now, with only $5000 or so difference, the IS could be the right car for you , but if you are gonna buy a lexus IS , buy an IS350 at least you'll have good straight line speed. the IS250 for what it is not the best value , even a bmw 325i if you must have rwd is a far superior choice. it will roast an is250 and costs more or less the same if it is speed and handling you are concerned with and it has more interior room than the TSX and far more than the IS250.
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: puffpio
how much do both cars weigh and do they have an LSD?

You'd have to be on LSD to buy a TSX for 32k!

word! if you paid $32k for a TSX, do give the dealer more vaseline. b/c your ass just got raped!! i drove the is250/350 at taste of lexus and the is250 is marginally better then the tsx.

rwd v fwd. i'll state that rwd is better, but 90% of you bishes haven't even done a performance driving course....much less been to a track!!
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: hans007
if you are going to extensively autocross or race the car you end up buying, dont get EITHER of these cars. buy a mazdaspeed6, an STI, EVO9 anything.

heh, i dunno why i feel surprised someone actually brought that up.. heh. I just made the assumption they probably aren't auto-xing :) I really want to trade in my 3 for the mazdaspeed6 though.... ah, the joys of depreciating new cars.. and the pure lack of ability to afford it.

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
Is the 6-speed a SMG gearbox or a slushbox in the IS350? I didn't know that wasn't coming out with a manual 6!!

EDIT: slushbox :(


when i said 6sp, i meant waiting for the manual. i don't want smg or the lesser variants. heh.

 

mitmot

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
The TSX costs as much as a TL?
Therein lies the problem. Its overpriced by about $4000...or for that price it should come with a 6-cylinder and/or RWD/SH-AWD.

I dunno, I'm thinking about one of these cars when I get out of school, but then again I might just go for a slightly used G35.

Unless you are making over 100K a year you shouldn't even be looking at either of these.
If all goes well that'll be my salary + bonus.

You plan on making 100k+ your first year out of school?
 

akubi

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Originally posted by: CtK
my mom bought a TSX auto without Navi for $26,500 out the door!!

QFT. my college roommate bought one for around that, brand new.

correction: with navi included!
 

Vegito

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You're comparing a tsx thats been out for more than 4 year to a brand spanking new model.. of course Lexus will throw in all the stuff you wouldn't find on a tsx and charge you more.

I paid 27,400 with Navi for my 05 tsx in 02/05 .. 28,990 sticker, 26,900 invoice, 500 over invoice. 06 tsx price went up around 800 but you add another 15 hp, or 5 hp net

Granted I like the lexus because it has all the feature but 33k vs 27k, thats a 6k difference... for that 33k, I spend a little more and buy a TL, you can probably get the TL for high 33, mid 34. With over 60hp more than an IS and more roomy

06 tl invoice - 32,205
06 tl msrp - 35,325

06 250 rwd invoice - ?
06 250 rwd msrp - 33,540
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
The TSX costs as much as a TL?
Therein lies the problem. Its overpriced by about $4000...or for that price it should come with a 6-cylinder and/or RWD/SH-AWD.

I dunno, I'm thinking about one of these cars when I get out of school, but then again I might just go for a slightly used G35.

Unless you are making over 100K a year you shouldn't even be looking at either of these.

Uh, ok?
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: spidey07
I don't see much of a comparision there.

And since when does a TSX cost as much as at TL?

No kidding. A friend of mine bought one with NAV and all the bells and whistles for about $29k a couple years ago. His wife has the TL.
 

Vegito

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: spidey07

Unless you are making over 100K a year you shouldn't even be looking at either of these.

Uh, ok?

spidey is right.. even making over 100k, why would u waste money on something that depreciates..
 

HumblePie

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FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.
 

CtK

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Originally posted by: akubi
Originally posted by: CtK
my mom bought a TSX auto without Navi for $26,500 out the door!!

QFT. my college roommate bought one for around that, brand new.

correction: with navi included!

damn with Navi?!?!? was it a demo??
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

i drove a Mustang LX 5.0 (manual 5 speed) for 5 yrs, including 2 winters in Michigan. i drove it thru all kinds of snow. can i do it, yes, do i enjoy driving that kind of RWD in the snow? no.

i think any parent who buys a 16 yr old that kind of car (rwd, high torque) where you have any real rain or snow, is just asking to see their child die.

mb some of the lexuses are miraculous cars and can put a lot of power to the rear wheels and eliminate losing the rear end phenomenon you get from hitting the gas just a tad to hard in wet or snowy conditions, i don't know, i haven't ever driven a rwd lexus. but in general, i think fwd is safer unless the roads are dry.
 

Vegito

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

i drove a Mustang LX 5.0 (manual 5 speed) for 5 yrs, including 2 winters in Michigan. i drove it thru all kinds of snow. can i do it, yes, do i enjoy driving that kind of RWD in the snow? no.

i think any parent who buys a 16 yr old that kind of car (rwd, high torque) where you have any real rain or snow, is just asking to see their child die.

mb some of the lexuses are miraculous cars and can put a lot of power to the rear wheels and eliminate losing the rear end phenomenon you get from hitting the gas just a tad to hard in wet or snowy conditions, i don't know, i haven't ever driven a rwd lexus. but in general, i think fwd is safer unless the roads are dry.



Didn't some guy bought their son a viper and he drove it into the wall and kill his best friend ?
 

HumblePie

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

i drove a Mustang LX 5.0 (manual 5 speed) for 5 yrs, including 2 winters in Michigan. i drove it thru all kinds of snow. can i do it, yes, do i enjoy driving that kind of RWD in the snow? no.

i think any parent who buys a 16 yr old that kind of car (rwd, high torque) where you have any real rain or snow, is just asking to see their child die.

mb some of the lexuses are miraculous cars and can put a lot of power to the rear wheels and eliminate losing the rear end phenomenon you get from hitting the gas just a tad to hard in wet or snowy conditions, i don't know, i haven't ever driven a rwd lexus. but in general, i think fwd is safer unless the roads are dry.

LOL age has nothing to do with it. Training does. 17 and bought the same thing as you had. I was in Colorado and never had a problem. People get babied in FWD cars. Unlike most kids I was actually TAUGHT how to really drive a car. Not some 4 hour drivers ed course on Saturday morning where people are half asleep to take a test that a monkey seems able to pass for a license. That's how easy it is to get a license in Texas. Age has nothing to do with it. Experience and training have everything to do with it. I was trained well on how to drive RWD in any weather and do it well and I got experience from an early age. My parents and grandparents started showing me how to drive since I was 8.

Hence my above comment still holds true. But I admit, many 16 year olds don't know how to drive, hence the loser part, so they need FWD. Better training, education, and earlier experiences would make all the difference in the world for most people.
 

UNCjigga

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So general consensus seems to be that the price I got for the TSX from their 'build your own' tool is completely ludicrous, and that I shouldn't expect to pay $30k or more for a TSX unless I like it when people put things in my anus.

I will not be auto-xing. I will not take it to the track. I am not a 'racy' driver either--in fact I *JUST* learned how to drive stick after tossing around a friend's old Integra...so I've only been able to drive stick for like 6 months or so (but I love it!) That said, I probably wouldn't notice the difference between FWD and RWD, but I do like the option of AWD. Perhaps the Legacy GT should also be put in consideration (though I suspect the TSX and IS250 both get better mileage.)
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: HumblePie
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

i drove a Mustang LX 5.0 (manual 5 speed) for 5 yrs, including 2 winters in Michigan. i drove it thru all kinds of snow. can i do it, yes, do i enjoy driving that kind of RWD in the snow? no.

i think any parent who buys a 16 yr old that kind of car (rwd, high torque) where you have any real rain or snow, is just asking to see their child die.

mb some of the lexuses are miraculous cars and can put a lot of power to the rear wheels and eliminate losing the rear end phenomenon you get from hitting the gas just a tad to hard in wet or snowy conditions, i don't know, i haven't ever driven a rwd lexus. but in general, i think fwd is safer unless the roads are dry.

LOL age has nothing to do with it. Training does. 17 and bought the same thing as you had. I was in Colorado and never had a problem. People get babied in FWD cars. Unlike most kids I was actually TAUGHT how to really drive a car. Not some 4 hour drivers ed course on Saturday morning where people are half asleep to take a test that a monkey seems able to pass for a license. That's how easy it is to get a license in Texas. Age has nothing to do with it. Experience and training have everything to do with it. I was trained well on how to drive RWD in any weather and do it well and I got experience from an early age. My parents and grandparents started showing me how to drive since I was 8.

Hence my above comment still holds true. But I admit, many 16 year olds don't know how to drive, hence the loser part, so they need FWD. Better training, education, and earlier experiences would make all the difference in the world for most people.

age is still relevant. it's not just inexperience that makes the difference, i know for a fact with me there was definitely a difference in adrenalin levels from when i was 16/17 to when i turned 26. that adrenalin level could be the difference between life and death in a car.
 

jtvang125

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I once had a chance to play along with a TSX on the freeway. Without looking at numbers, it did pickup quite quick around the 70-80mph range but still no comparison to mine. Then I looked at its 1/4mile time and it's pulling low 16's, high 15's. I couldn't believe it was that slow. A TL on the other hand would be side by side with mine, I think.

On a side note, this girl at work is getting an IS250. Upgrading from a TSX.
 

Vegito

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Perhaps the Legacy GT should also be put in consideration (though I suspect the TSX and IS250 both get better mileage.)

When i bought mine, i compared tsx & legacy gt... the legacy was faster but i couldn't stand the interior...
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor :)

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

It seems the primary reason people get RWD cars these days is to impress high school kids who talk like this:
Originally posted by: HumblePie
FWD is for mini vans, wagons, towncars, limos, and losers :) AWD or RWD is for anything else. If you are driving anything else but what was mentioned above and it's a FWD then you fall into the loser category. Just my 2 cents.

[Edit] And yes, I currently own one of each, RWD and FWD
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Vegito
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: spidey07

Unless you are making over 100K a year you shouldn't even be looking at either of these.

Uh, ok?

spidey is right.. even making over 100k, why would u waste money on something that depreciates..

Utility, obviously.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: spidey07
No manual.

Don't buy.

That's the problem w/ today's *manual* brainwashed.

W/ a Toyota (Lexus) you don't need a manual anymore. They shift so smoothly and so intelligently,.........(I enjoy the *smooth* part, but manual lovers should love the *intelligent* part as they downshift & upshift in an instant if you want)........ I can't see a time I'd ever want a manual again!!

It's the e-penis factor :)

Same this goes for RWD

The average driver (even the enthusiast driver) would not be able to tell what sort of driveline he's got underneath his car for 99.9% of driving.

That's not true at all. Most FWD cars suffer from at least mild torque steer and understeer. That can be felt quite easily by a driver (especially the enthusiast driver).
 

Vegito

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
I once had a chance to play along with a TSX on the freeway. Without looking at numbers, it did pickup quite quick around the 70-80mph range but still no comparison to mine. Then I looked at its 1/4mile time and it's pulling low 16's, high 15's. I couldn't believe it was that slow. A TL on the other hand would be side by side with mine, I think.

On a side note, this girl at work is getting an IS250. Upgrading from a TSX.

TSX is a SLOW car.. the weight is like 3200 for 5AT

IS250 is even more.. at least they got a v6 with more torque :)

3,527 lb (1,599 kg) (IS 350)
3,435 lb (1,558 kg) (IS 250 RWD A/T)
3,455 lb (1,567 kg) (IS 250 RWD M/T)
3,651 lb (1,656 kg) (IS 250 AWD)

250
0 to 60 in 7.9 seconds (RWD)
0 to 60 in 8.3 seconds (AWD)


04 tsx rated 0-60 7.2 6MT
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp...ion_id=3&article_id=6742&page_number=3

05 tsx rated 0-60 8.1 6MT
http://www.automobilemag.com/test_data/

I believe the 5AT is rated around a 8.5 by a good driver or over 9 for a bad driver.

So it is a pretty slow car..