Is weed really harmful?

[Pyroclazm]

It depends on quantity and quality. One hit of Hydro V.S. 2 bowls of normal weed. And with normal weed its like a stupid cloudy high, compared to good weed you actually can think fine and everything is clear, your just high.

 

[kami]

Not really my thing...I don't like smoking anything...prefer the booze.

Except waking up with a nasty headache and generally sh!tty feeling like I do now every time this happens i say i won't drink that much again....but it never happens. and i have class in an hour....damnit!

 

[Pyroclazm]

kamie we joined at like the exact same time and you have 8796 more post then me. Man I'm glad I am back at the forums. I went through like a year period without ever posting.

 

[NeoV]

all you weed smokers should get a life....what is so bad or wrong with your lives that you need an escape, or that you need to get stoned? Don't give me any of that crap that its no different than alchohol...it is....alchohol is legal, provided you are old enough.....weed is not, at any age. Say what you will about the war on drugs, but weed isn't flown up from S.America, so it is much more readily available and difficult to control...but the bottom line is that it is against the law for a reason, and your total lack of respect for the laws of this country is part of the problem we have in America today.

"now that school has started, I only do it on the weekends"....great, I am sure your parents are very proud of you..put that on your resume when you go to get a job, they will be very impressed.

 

[glen]

<< but the bottom line is that it is against the law for a reason >>


Yes, but is it a good reason?
Alcohol is CLEARLY worse for you in both the long and short term.
I don't use any drugs, including alcohol.
I think they are generally a bad idea.
The WAR on drugs is far more harmful.
I don't break the law, but I sure as hell question it. It is our duty to do so.

 

[Pyroclazm]

all you weed smokers should get a life....what is so bad or wrong with your lives that you need an escape, or that you need to get stoned? Don't give me any of that crap that its no different than alchohol...it is....alchohol is legal, provided you are old enough.....weed is not, at any age. Say what you will about the war on drugs, but weed isn't flown up from S.America, so it is much more readily available and difficult to control...but the bottom line is that it is against the law for a reason, and your total lack of respect for the laws of this country is part of the problem we have in America today.

Hmm.. Have you ever smoked weed? It isnt like going to mars, or seeing monsters etc. It isnt even a getaway, it just makes having fun a bit more enjoyable. Not saying I dont enjoy my life becuase I do. It is something to do. Everything is bad for you, and everyone has broken a law no matter what it may be. Weed to some is a hobby, which isnt a good thing, and you should never depend on it. But it isnt that bad aslong as you have yourself under control. Just think about it. If you have tried it your a hypocrite, and if you havent you dont know what its like.

 

[NeoV]

It is not you duty to question the law....your duty is to vote and elect people that make those decisions for you. Do you really think it should be legal? Alchohol use among teens is a big enough problem, do we need to encourage even more weed use as well? I know it is already a problem, but does that mean it shouldn't be illegal?

There are so many thousands of things to do other than getting high/drunk, it is sad that so many people have nothing to look forward to other than these things on weekends or evenings.

 

[gopunk]

Short-term effects include

increased heartbeat and pulse rate
bloodshot eyes
dry mouth and throat
panic attacks
impaired learning, memory, judgment and complex motor skills
difficulty speaking, listening, thinking, retaining knowledge and problem solving
loss of sense of speed and time
altered heart rate (increased by about 40 beats per minute)
anxiety
paranoia

Long-term effects include

psychological dependence
increased levels of truancy, delinquency, fighting, arrests and health problems
bronchitis
sexual dysfunction, lowered sperm production, inhibited ovulation
emphysema
asthma
heart attack
cancer

i never said these happen to everybody, just that these are the documented side effects. all you naysayers can reply and say that it doesn't happen to you and your friends, but this does happen to some people nevertheless.

 

[crabbyapple1]

NeoV, sit down and be quiet. This thread was about is it harmful, we don't need your flaming a$$ here. thanks for your opinion but this isn't about obeying laws. do you drive? do yo uobey all speed laws?

"It is not you duty to question the law....your duty is to vote and elect people that make those decisions for you. "

WTF is that?! We are supposed to elect these ppl and guide them how we like. It's not like we vote for them and they do what they want cuz we voted for them. We still voice our opinions to them. sheesh!

as for the legalization of certain substances, well this debate can go on forever and will no go on here. so like I said, now not so kind, shut up and sit down.

 

[Pyroclazm]

Well make it legal. Have extremly strict fines on drinking and driving. Prison 5-10 years I dunno maybe even more. That would make people think twice. Anyone can get weed now, so if the government became involved they could purify it, filters, labs etc. They could make money taxing it, growing it and so on. Teens are always going to be out of control in this country, because society teaches them they can be and will continue being. It is sad I know but making pot illegal would be a fad to most, and it would loose is outlashing effect. Alot of people do it because they are BREAKING the LAW, believe you me.

 

[Arkitech]

For the people who smoke weed, how do you what you're getting/smoking is'nt laced with something highly addictive or dangerous?

I've heard stories/rumours of people who thought they were smoking simply weed but it was laced with other drugs that left them strung out or worse.

 

[glen]

Weed is harmful.

Cigarettes are MORE harmful.

Alcohol is MORE harmful.

It is illegal in the US.

It is legal in Holland.

Percentage of 10th graders that have tried marijuana in the USA 41%
Percentage of 10th graders that have tried marijuana in the Holland 28%

Yes we should question laws.
We have a history of improving the laws in this country by reviewing, questioning and repealing many of them. Segregation used to be legal. If you can't understand how questioning laws actually strengthens this country, you need to at least read "A Letter From A Birmingham Jail."

 

[glen]

<< For the people who smoke weed, how do you what you're getting/smoking is'nt laced with something highly addictive or dangerous? >>



This is a good point and one of the many reasons not to do it. However, it is pretty rare. Your dealer wants return buisness and most likely smokes it himself. Making it legal would make it safer. While I want to see it legalised, this is not a reason IMHO to change the law.

We know from addicts who have kicked the habit, that they had to make a spiritual descition about their drug use. Whether it was alcohol or illegal drugs did not change the nature of their addiction. So, what helps addicts is their own descition making, and not the laws. Making some drugs legal, suggests incorrectly, that legal drugs, like alcohol are safer. This muddies the waters and has led many alcoholic to justify his useage becasue alcohol is legal.

The reason the law should change is becasue it is harmful and arbitrary to make pot illegal, and alcohol and tobacco legal.

 

[KBrinks]

weed may not be bad for you but it's bad for the people around you.. most of my friends started smokeing pot..s ure no problem.. but as time went on there personalitys died out.. aka burnt out... it's annoying to hang out with burns outs or hippys.. blah

 

[luv2chill]

<< For the people who smoke weed, how do you what you're getting/smoking is'nt laced with something highly addictive or dangerous?

I've heard stories/rumours of people who thought they were smoking simply weed but it was laced with other drugs that left them strung out or worse. >>

The chances of this occurring with marijuana are VERY slim. glen made some very good points (e.g. dealers want repeat business), but I also wanted to point out that most of the time when drugs are laced it is to dilute them. What I mean is that if a dealer wants to make his supply of an expensive drug last longer, he will lace it with a cheap drug (hoping that the buyer won't notice).

Weed is inexpensive to begin with (comparitively), so there's no monetary incentive to lace it with anything (it's also more difficult to lace than a powder/crystalline drug because it's a plant).

Folks like NeoV dangerously believe that all laws are just and that nothing is to be questioned. I don't believe that God gave us the ability to reason so that we can let it go to waste while corrupt politicians make laws to further their own agendas. All one must do is look to the Netherlands, an extremely progressive European country which has decriminalized the possession, use, and cultivation of marijuana. Not only do they (as a country) have a lower percentage of marijuana users, but those who do choose to use it pay lower prices for high quality, pure product. Furthermore, law enforcement officers there are able to concentrate on real criminals.

Arkitech, my best advice is for you to try it yourself, with the caveat that anything in excess is bad. If you're the type of person who tends to let things go to excess, you may want to think twice about opening that door.

But marijuana is non-lethal, non-addictive, and in almost every way safer than many "legal" drugs. It is enjoyed in moderation by many, many, many people all over the world.

l2c

 

[NeoV]

Hold on a second...I don't believe all laws are just...but if you want to be the ones going to your elected officials to push for the legalization of pot, be my guest Crabby. Don't tell me that it is no worse than smoking....pot impairs your senses, as well as various other side effects, long and short term.

There are age restrictions on cigarettes and alchohol, but of course these aren't really enforced much at all. There are laws about driving under the influence of alchohol as well. How on earth would you propose the legalization of pot would work? Would there be pot-smoking areas in addition to tobacco smoking areas? Certainly everyone who smokes cigs wouldn't want to get high from second-hand smoke, so they would have to be apart. It just couldn't work.

The war on drugs really isn't about pot now, is it?

You pot-heads are sad....don't b1tch about me because I tell you to obey the laws or do something else with your time. There is so much to see and do in this world, but if you want to be holed up in your smelly back-rooms getting high, go right ahead....if you really think there is no harm done to you....fine with me.

 

[Nutdotnet]

What we need to do is legalize the green, leafy stuff.

Then, the government needs to tax the piss out of it and put regulations on it just like Alchohol.

Like, must be 21 to smoke it, and if you are caught driving while high you should get the same treatment as being drunk.

 

[glen]

I don't smoke pot, cigarrets, consume alcohol or any other drugs.

I believe fewer people would use drugs if they were legalized.

NeoV, why do you think more teens in America smoke pot than in Holland where it is legal?

 

[LaBang]

Yes weed is harmfull but so is alcohol, tobacco and sugar. I smoke a fair ammount and know people that use more than you could even imagine (2 ounces a week) for years. It harms your short term memory (it is hard to remember what someone told you to do yesterday), harms your lungs (that is if you smoke it. you don't have to!)



Marijuana has MANY benefits. I have a friend that is termanily ill. He has cancer throughout his body and cannot afford to pay $8-12,000 a month on medicine. Marijuana is essential in helping him eat, sleep, think and it most importantly makes his life less misserable. He would not be alive today were it not for marijauna. California has many legal medicinal marijuana users for whom marijuana is essential to life. marijuana.org is a great resource about marijuana in california put together by people that I have met.

 

[glen]

You have to realise that it is complicated.
There are many consequences of criminalizing pot.
One if the WORST, is that it tacitly makes alcohol seem ok.

 

[NeoV]

so the thrill of doing something illegal is what makes our teens smoke pot and drink? No, it is the fact the we practically glorify these things, not to mention all the drinking/smoking done by people of legal drinking age that kids try to emulate...

Look at alchohol......why would legalized pot be any different? Besides, I don't want to breath in any of that sh1t if you are smoking it by me, whereas I could at least tolerate cig' smoke for a little while anyway.....would you have "pot" smoking sections at restaraunts? "Smoking, non-smoking, or pot?"

 

[glen]

1. No, we glorify alcohol in this country.

2. I imagine you would not be allowed to smoke anything in a restaurant.

 

[hungrypete]

<< NeoV, why do you think more teens in America smoke pot than in Holland where it is legal? >>



its taboo here and that makes it cool to some people.

 

[glen]

This is clear to me:
We have a major problem with drugs.
Alcohol is a drug.
Having certain drugs legal and other illegal actually makes matters worse than if they were all legal.
I am against doing drugs, but I think making them illegal is a horrible idea.

 

[Looney]

NeoV, why do you think more teens in America smoke pot than in Holland where it is legal?

That is SUCH a myth... percentage wise, there are more people in Holland smoking pot than in the US. It's just less sensational, because it's legal.