The only thing to be gained by vista is anxiety and frustration. I keep seeing people mention that "FUD" is being spread around about vista much like XP, however I've yet to see any of this "FUD". How about you give examples of "FUD" for both vista and XP since I like neither.
Not limited to 8000 series. Does that on my 6800GS all the time.
I'm literally waiting for the next paycheck to come around so I can order a HD2600 for $100 and yank out my 6800GS.
I have used Vista for a while. I have not had any reliability problems. It is as stable as XP is. It also looks quite nice.
That said, Vista is far heavier on the system. Super Fetch aside, the OS uses more than double the memory that XP uses at idle. It takes longer to open various programs. Vista looks nice and is reliable. The problem is, it only offers very minor convenience benefits versus XP. The performance cost to get those nice little luxuries is far too great. If Vista was as revolutionary a jump as XP was from Windows 98, then yes, it would be worth it. As is though, Vista is just a nicer looking, slower version of XP.
That said, Vista is far heavier on the system. Super Fetch aside, the OS uses more than double the memory that XP uses at idle. It takes longer to open various programs. Vista looks nice and is reliable. The problem is, it only offers very minor convenience benefits versus XP. The performance cost to get those nice little luxuries is far too great. If Vista was as revolutionary a jump as XP was from Windows 98, then yes, it would be worth it. As is though, Vista is just a nicer looking, slower version of XP.
I am running Vista 32 bit with 4 gig o ram (3.5 showing in Winderz) I have to say I really like it.
I have played Quake 4, Quake 3, TF2, HL2, CS:S and all of the play very well.
My system specs.
core2duo e6300 1.86 at 2800
Asus p5ne-sli
4 gig ddr 667 ram at 840
ATI x1900xtx (Soon replaced by 8800 gts)
xfi fatality
yada yada yada
I have played Quake 4, Quake 3, TF2, HL2, CS:S and all of the play very well.
My system specs.
core2duo e6300 1.86 at 2800
Asus p5ne-sli
4 gig ddr 667 ram at 840
ATI x1900xtx (Soon replaced by 8800 gts)
xfi fatality
yada yada yada
Windows 98 to 2000 was a "revolutionary jump" not to much 98 to XP. The reason I'm saying this is because mentioning "98 to XP" would be skipping a step which isn't fair. Now if you said Windows 2000 to XP, that'd be more fair but if you were to say that then I'd say you were wrong because XP was incremental at best.
Windows 2000 was not really marketed much as a consumer OS, especially since 98 and ME were still around. Most consumers went from the 9x kernel to XP.
Do tell then! What are these Orwellian features of which you speak? It's one thing to make claims, but claims without actually mentioning what they are is 100% useless.
then please, point out the specific errors. you see, that's the process of a debate. What you are doing is nothing more than spouting rhetoric without any specifics, proof or any facts of any kind.
How about you just peruse a few Vista threads right here in the OS forum and answer your own question?
The amount of FUD spread about Vista has been mind-blowing. From the "DRMed to Death!" nonsense to the idea that one needs an 8-core with 32GB of RAM to run it.
Like it or not, Vista is where it's at. You can either get with the times or be left in the dust, the choice is yours.
No kidding. I felt more "in the dust" while I was running Vista. I actually just switched back to XP 64bit recently.
It seems like he is being paid to spread bs on several fronts.
i would like to know why so many are having sound problems with vista? i have an audigy 2 Zs and have absolutely no problems at all with in vista ultimate 64 bit. i have been running it now for over a month and am sticking with it. other than 1 piece of software that i could not get to run i have had no troubles getting drivers and installing games and such.
Well I bet you're not even aware that audigy 2zs is of no use in vista because it's treated the same as an integrated sound card sadly.
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Sound on my Audigy 4 works fine in Vista x64,I have been trying out the free Universal Creative Alchemy wrapper for older games that use Direct Sound3D and that seems to work ok too.
I think you'll find that most problems were related to the X-fi cards in the early days with Vista,however the recent drivers that CL has released has cleared up most of the problems those users were having.
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I think most users know that the sound engine in Vista was rewritten,basically to take sound part out of kernel where most of the driver bugs,crashes were occuring(a good move IMHO).
A lot of users are still using software sound anyway even with XP for gaming.
A few people go on about how it increases CPU usage,some argue that even with dual core/quad core you take a hit,fact is the hit is minimal,if you can game fine then why worry?..Are people still going to bitch about CPU usage when we are on 8/16 core CPUs,I bet you they will for no reason.
Think I would rather take a minimal cpu usage hit for increase stability anyday.
I'd hardly call it a "minimal" cpu usage hit, it's a pretty big hit when you're going from a highend Xfi soundcard to integrated sound. Not to mention you're not getting any of the features your soundcard has when you use vista. Sure they have that wrapper now, but all the wrapper does is forgo vista's implementation of audio and use OpenAL, which IS kernel based and therfore negates any benefit of taking DXAudio out of the kernel is the first place! So basically you've gained absolutely nothing by having vista remove kernel level audio support and have only gained the potential for any audio related problems not to be supported by microsoft and are at the mercy of OpenAL. BRILLIANT!!
Ever heard of Alchemy ? And there is a free version that supports all Creative cards. Free Alchemy
Direct3D is translated into Open AL and restores the functionality of these cards on Vista.
That means you can still get the full functionality of the cards in Vista.
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I hate to burst your bubble but X-FI accounts for less then 1% sales World Wide on the PC when you take into account onboard sound and other sound cards,so frankly the minimal CPU usage X-FI has does not even make a dent or impact in the big picture,also you can thank Creative Labs for having a closed market for full EAX support ,if they had opened up their EAX support earlier(way before Vista was even alpha and not just EAX2) things might have been different.
It's funny since processors,video cards keep getting faster with multi-core etc but people still go on about CPU usage with software sound like we was back in the early 90s,wake up people we are almost in 2008,things have moved on.
i upgraded to vista then went back to xp
i will wait for vista to grow up then switch,
btw microsoft owns all windows! lol@ "It seems like he is being paid to spread bs on several fronts"
i will wait for vista to grow up then switch,
btw microsoft owns all windows! lol@ "It seems like he is being paid to spread bs on several fronts"
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