is vista worth using now?

[imported_spike99]

Send me your PC I have it up and running in 30 minutes

LOL, Well if you live in the NY area, I'll take you up on your offer Mem...

Btw Spike99 I fixed my "The Witcher" problem so now have all my 40+ games running fine with excellent stability,it was not Vista's fault (I knew that anyway,thankyou Atari for another buggy but great game).

I wish I could say the same...

Mine does this, but it's due to overheating. The stock GPU is 550, and it starts doing the black screen freezup at 650. I turned it down to 630 and the problem went away completely. Try getting one of those fans that goes under the video card.

I know that my GPU generates heat but I'm not sure how to monitor the temp on GPU... But I don't think my problems are GPU heat related... If heat related... I would think you can duplicate quite easy... my video driver issues are sporadic...

 

[Mem]

I know that my GPU generates heat but I'm not sure how to monitor the temp on GPU... But I don't think my problems are GPU heat related... If heat related... I would think you can duplicate quite easy... my video driver issues are sporadic...

Old trick air duster to clean out the video fan,case open and have a desk fan blowing in from outside,another option is to use an overclocking tool and underclock your card,soon find out if its a heat problem.

 

[ShawnD1]

Also try not to smoke next your computer. One of my friends keeps telling me how one room in his parents' house destroys computers and it has something to do with power surges and what not. The real problem is that this computer-killing room is his mom's office, and she's a chain smoker who works at home. She spends a good 90% of her time in that room (TV and computer in this room), smoking probably 2 packs per day. Hmm I wonder what keeps killing their computers

Smoking next to your PC is bad. The computer can crash in all sorts of ways. Blue screen = CPU overheat. Black screen = video card GPU overheat. Blurry screen = video card vram overheat.
Other things can cause these errors, but smoking is a good place to start. Look to see if your CPU heatsink has tar on it. If so, you can expect the PSU to die shortly; you can clean the heatsink but you can't clean the PSU.

 

[imported_spike99]

Btw I hope people are uninstalling their drivers when they try new ones and not installing over the top.

At the beginning I was not uninstalling my drivers, I was trying new ones over the top... but then I tried removing driver by going to "Progams and Features" and removing "NVIDIA Drivers". That didn't help.

BTW, There is a "NVIDIA ForceWare Network Access Manager", I was not sure if I should remove this or not... so I did not remove it when installing new nvidia drivers.

I went as far as inserting the CD that came with video card... that completely uninstalled drivers... That brought my display back to 800x600. Installed drivers from CD then went to NVIDIA's web site and downloaded latest drivers....

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. But in my own opinion it never will be, so you're dealing with some heavy bias here.

When I see comments like above,I think those sort of people should stick to console systems and never touch a PC or any OS.

Sure, that's logical. Not like I can run linux on my pc's and a mixed BSD cluster for my servers or anything. After all, anyone who isn't 4 1/2 feet up microsofts butt is just simply useless. While I'm at it I'll turn in all my certifications, education, and experience. Thanks for clearing everything up for us fanboi.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Nope. But in my own opinion it never will be, so you're dealing with some heavy bias here.

In other words "Change is bad! Run away!".

In other words, OMG he can think for himself and has reasoned out why Vista is the second worst operating system of all time! Run away!!!

Look, if you like it, fine. We all have our preferences.

 

[Nothinman]

In other words, OMG he can think for himself and has reasoned out why Vista is the second worst operating system of all time! Run away!!!

No, in otherwords he jumped the gun. It may not work too well for you now but chances good are that in a year or two you'll be running Vista anyway. The same crap happened with XP, everyone loved Win2K and XP was bloated to hell and everyone hated the "Fisher Price UI" but now everyone loves XP and Vista's the new readheaded stepchild.

Look, if you like it, fine. We all have our preferences.

Actually I don't like it, I have a single Windows machine but I can be objective and Vista is clearly the better OS and that will become clear to you too once you either replace the hardware you have with crappy drivers or you just get better drivers.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: spike99

Btw I hope people are uninstalling their drivers when they try new ones and not installing over the top.

At the beginning I was not uninstalling my drivers, I was trying new ones over the top... but then I tried removing driver by going to "Progams and Features" and removing "NVIDIA Drivers". That didn't help.

BTW, There is a "NVIDIA ForceWare Network Access Manager", I was not sure if I should remove this or not... so I did not remove it when installing new nvidia drivers.

I went as far as inserting the CD that came with video card... that completely uninstalled drivers... That brought my display back to 800x600. Installed drivers from CD then went to NVIDIA's web site and downloaded latest drivers....

That's to do with Nvidia firewall no wonder you have problems,don't know why you are installing that,that causes more issues then XP v Vista,I would uninstall it and use Vista default firewall,btw if you click on Nvidia drivers in programs and features you will have the option of choosing which drivers etc....also installing driver over the top can cause problems too.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. But in my own opinion it never will be, so you're dealing with some heavy bias here.

When I see comments like above,I think those sort of people should stick to console systems and never touch a PC or any OS.

Sure, that's logical. Not like I can run linux on my pc's and a mixed BSD cluster for my servers or anything. After all, anyone who isn't 4 1/2 feet up microsofts butt is just simply useless. While I'm at it I'll turn in all my certifications, education, and experience. Thanks for clearing everything up for us fanboi.

Lol now you call me a fanboi,have you ever bothered to use Vista for any real extended period of time,for your information I have been using computers since Commodore 64 days,ATARI ST,Amiga,486 PC and onwards,oh did I meantion my other PC is XP based,I based my input on real experience,not hear say or bias / FUD ,but how it has been in the real world for me,I call it as I see it ,if you got a problem with that tough luck!...

Btw for the record I consider myself a longterm gamer rather then a fanboi.

 

[imported_spike99]

That's to do with Nvidia firewall no wonder you have problems,don't know why you are installing that,that causes more issues then XP v Vista,I would uninstall it and use Vista default firewall,

I did not know what this was... I have uninstalled it....

btw if you click on Nvidia drivers in programs and features you will have the option of choosing which drivers etc

I'm not sure what you mean here ? Can you explain ?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: spike99

That's to do with Nvidia firewall no wonder you have problems,don't know why you are installing that,that causes more issues then XP v Vista,I would uninstall it and use Vista default firewall,

I did not know what this was... I have uninstalled it....

btw if you click on Nvidia drivers in programs and features you will have the option of choosing which drivers etc

I'm not sure what you mean here ? Can you explain ?

For example in my case,I have Nvidia video drivers,nforce 4 ultra chipset drivers ,ethernet driver,I can select to choose to remove the video driver only or all of them or ethernet driver only.So example being I get a new video driver from Nvidia I want to try,I choose to remove video driver only from the Nvidia list,reboot my PC ,install the new nvidia driver ,reboot again all done.

Btw make sure you reboot your PC and run CCleaner,don't want any leftover crap from the uninstall.

 

[imported_spike99]

For example in my case,I have Nvidia video drivers,nforce 4 ultra chipset drivers ,ethernet driver,I can select to choose to remove the video driver only or all of them or ethernet driver only.So example being I get a new video driver from Nvidia I want to try,I choose to remove video driver only from the Nvidia list,reboot my PC ,install the new nvidia driver ,reboot again all done.

OK, I got... Well i played 1 game of COH without any issues... Hurray !!!! Well, it's only 1 game I have to play at least 3 games to be somewhat comfortable that my PC is not crashing.... dunno let's see... I'm not celebrating until then... Most likely I wont know until the end of the weekend...

 

[katka]

Vista is VERY VERY slow AND unstable if you do things which have IE opening more than 10 windows at a time. It stalls and crashes. Specifically, it stalls the system and crashes IE. I do only have an ati 8500 with 128mb of memory BUT I have a 3.2 processor and 2 gb of ram. I don't game but the actual performance and the response time is a shame.

It was VERY VERY easy to setup though. I barely had to install any drivers when setting up the motherboard. But after it is set up it will need to be used and I just don't find it usable for my heavy internet usage at this point.

I'm back on Athlon 1800 with 1 gb of ram, all-in wonder radeon 3200 mb and it flies.

Shame

 

[imported_spike99]

That's to do with Nvidia firewall no wonder you have problems,don't know why you are installing that,that causes more issues then XP v Vista,I would uninstall it and use Vista default firewall,

Yesterday I did 2 things, unistall Nvidia firewall and unistalled video driver... and then only installed latest beta video driver.... since then... I have been playing various COH games... and no problems.... There were times where I was like.... Oh Oh, I think this may be the time for game to crash... but the gods heard my prayer It did not crash at all... Hell, I can even start Crysis from 64BIT folder now... Man this is great... !!!

In the beginning Crysis was starting from 64BIT folder but after I started to re-install hotfixes/patches/video drivers I must have installed NVIDIA ForceWare Network Access Manager and then I was not able to start Crysis from 64BIT folder.

The funny thing is that before I started to install hotfixes/patches... COH was crashing... The only thing I can think that I did wrong before... Was that I did not uninstall nvidia video driver... I just installed latest video driver on top of the old.... I guess this must have been the difference... But at the same time I'm not 100% sure if I had the Nvidia firewall installed since the beginning.... don't know for sure....

Although I think my problems have been solved... I'm gonna do some extra testing....

And very special thanks to Mem !!!!

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

In other words, OMG he can think for himself and has reasoned out why Vista is the second worst operating system of all time! Run away!!!

No, in otherwords he jumped the gun. It may not work too well for you now but chances good are that in a year or two you'll be running Vista anyway. The same crap happened with XP, everyone loved Win2K and XP was bloated to hell and everyone hated the "Fisher Price UI" but now everyone loves XP and Vista's the new readheaded stepchild.

Look, if you like it, fine. We all have our preferences.

Actually I don't like it, I have a single Windows machine but I can be objective and Vista is clearly the better OS and that will become clear to you too once you either replace the hardware you have with crappy drivers or you just get better drivers.

Nope. I'm opposed not only to the flaws, but the business model and the apparant philosophy of the OS (controlling, intrusive, etc). I will never use it, I will never allow it on my networks. Period. Microsoft is dead to me now, and I don't miss anything about it.

 

[Nothinman]

Nope. I'm opposed not only to the flaws, but the business model and the apparant philosophy of the OS (controlling, intrusive, etc). I will never use it, I will never allow it on my networks. Period. Microsoft is dead to me now, and I don't miss anything about it.

It's not like their philosophy has changed with Vista, but if that's what you think now good for you.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: spike99
Not to step on anyone's shoes... But if anyone is considering between XP & VISTA.... Then stay away from VISTA !!!

I'm not talking about how long it took XP to fix hardware/software or how long it's gonna take VISTA to get up to speed with drivers... People should be considering what is rock solid right now... not tomorrow but right now... and that would be XP hands down.

I'm a gamer with VISTA 64BIT (I also experienced VISTA 32BIT) and I previously had XP, and let me tell you... I never had a BSOD or games crashing due to video driver issues with XP.... with VISTA, It's a different story... I've been pulling my hair out with all the video driver issues.... I'm currently considering going back to XP, but I wanna try to give VISTA more time...

Although some people may not have any issues with VISTA, I really believe most people are having problems... especially if you are a gamer...

I would suggest waiting a year before considering VISTA... That's my take anyway...

You are right that some people are having problems but are completely wrong to make the assumption that most people are having problems. The reality is that a lot smaller percentage of people are having problems with Vista than people who are having no problems.

Everyone I know using Vista loves it and except for some minor issues are running it problem free. The minor issues most of the time are due to poorly coded software they own from their XP days that has some trouble with Vista. To make the assumption that the majority of people who switched to Vista are having problems is just nonsense.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: spike99

That's to do with Nvidia firewall no wonder you have problems,don't know why you are installing that,that causes more issues then XP v Vista,I would uninstall it and use Vista default firewall,

Yesterday I did 2 things, unistall Nvidia firewall and unistalled video driver... and then only installed latest beta video driver.... since then... I have been playing various COH games... and no problems.... There were times where I was like.... Oh Oh, I think this may be the time for game to crash... but the gods heard my prayer It did not crash at all... Hell, I can even start Crysis from 64BIT folder now... Man this is great... !!!

In the beginning Crysis was starting from 64BIT folder but after I started to re-install hotfixes/patches/video drivers I must have installed NVIDIA ForceWare Network Access Manager and then I was not able to start Crysis from 64BIT folder.

The funny thing is that before I started to install hotfixes/patches... COH was crashing... The only thing I can think that I did wrong before... Was that I did not uninstall nvidia video driver... I just installed latest video driver on top of the old.... I guess this must have been the difference... But at the same time I'm not 100% sure if I had the Nvidia firewall installed since the beginning.... don't know for sure....

Although I think my problems have been solved... I'm gonna do some extra testing....

And very special thanks to Mem !!!!

No problem spike99,most issues can be fixed ,its very easy to blame the OS however with some time and troubleshooting they can be solved.

 

[nerp]

Just use it.

 

[fleabag]

People on this forum seem to be very biased towards windows vista, not sure why, whether it's the fact that "newer is better" mentality or what but it bothers me to no end. They sure love to tout how vista is so great and how they'd "never look back" yet forget to mention all the things you'll lose, the annoying shit that pops up all the time and their Orwellian environment they've propagated, progressively evolving with recent windows releases.


Oh and please don't say my statements are unfounded because the last thing I'd want or would wantonly do is discourage the usage of windows and subsequently become a proponent of Apple's OS.

 

[Modelworks]

My feeling about vista is if your using it for work that is either mission critical or could cost you serious money, then no vista is not ready.
There are too many situations it hasn't been tested in that only time can provide.
Otherwise, for home/student/office use, its fine.

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: fleabag
People on this forum seem to be very biased towards windows vista, not sure why, whether it's the fact that "newer is better" mentality or what but it bothers me to no end. They sure love to tout how vista is so great and how they'd "never look back" yet forget to mention all the things you'll lose, the annoying shit that pops up all the time and their Orwellian environment they've propagated, progressively evolving with recent windows releases.

It's not that newer is better. It's that better is better. Vista is a better OS than XP in general. As for this "orwellian environment" you mention, I assume you mean UAC pop ups. Frankly, they don't bother me in the slightest. Maybe because I'm pretty Orwellian about what I allow to run on my system. I regularily check to see what apps are trying to autolaunch at startup, I never do normal installs because of additions to google or yahoo toolbars being installed. UAC just sort of fits in with my philosophy of wanting to be in control of what can and can't run on my PC so it's actually not a negative for me and on top of that it DOES help protect against malware in the process.

As all the things I've lost by going to Vista, care to point any out to me? I haven't found any myself. But it's a pretty consistant argument against Vista. Yet, I haven't come across any yet. Now, I'm sure there are some drivers out there that may not ready for Vista or that the hardware manufacturers have made a decision to to support under Vista but we had the same problems going from Windows 9x to Win2k/XP. I have yet to see anything nearly as difficult as that transition.

Oh and please don't say my statements are unfounded because the last thing I'd want or would wantonly do is discourage the usage of windows and subsequently become a proponent of Apple's OS.

Ok, how about unsubstantiated? You are telling us that we lose stuff, you make references to things without explination. Until you give real world examples of all this your claims are, in fact, unfounded. The truth is, most negative comments about Vista have been really nothing more than incorrect, misunderstood, or out right lies.

This isn't to say that I would recommend everyone I know to immediately upgrade to Vista. Far from it. On the other hand, I see very few reasons to have someone chose XP over Vista and many reasons to chose Vista over XP.

 

[Nothinman]

yet forget to mention all the things you'll lose, the annoying shit that pops up all the time

If you mean UAC that's laughable, but otherwise please explain.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: fleabag
People on this forum seem to be very biased towards windows vista, not sure why, whether it's the fact that "newer is better" mentality or what but it bothers me to no end. They sure love to tout how vista is so great and how they'd "never look back" yet forget to mention all the things you'll lose, the annoying shit that pops up all the time and their Orwellian environment they've propagated, progressively evolving with recent windows releases.


Oh and please don't say my statements are unfounded because the last thing I'd want or would wantonly do is discourage the usage of windows and subsequently become a proponent of Apple's OS.

That's because a lot of XP users spread FUD about Vista,I remember 2K users doing the same thing when XP arrived and ironically I was doing the same thing ie... defending XP against 2K users,same thing is happening again with Vista ,you can bet it'll happen again when Vienna is released down the road and the cycle will continue etc....UAC(your so called pop-ups) only took me 2 weeks to get use too and if it annoys you ,it can be disabled so is it really a problem?

You say about things you lose,what about the more things you gain,remember it works both ways.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: fleabag
People on this forum seem to be very biased towards windows vista, not sure why, whether it's the fact that "newer is better" mentality or what but it bothers me to no end. They sure love to tout how vista is so great and how they'd "never look back" yet forget to mention all the things you'll lose, the annoying shit that pops up all the time and their Orwellian environment they've propagated, progressively evolving with recent windows releases.

It's not that newer is better. It's that better is better. Vista is a better OS than XP in general. As for this "orwellian environment" you mention, I assume you mean UAC pop ups. Frankly, they don't bother me in the slightest. Maybe because I'm pretty Orwellian about what I allow to run on my system.

If it brings you any comfort (which it shouldn't) vista incorporates tons of "features" that most people have no idea are running because they're at the kernel level. UAC is not what I'm talking about when I say an orwellian environment.

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Ok, how about unsubstantiated? You are telling us that we lose stuff, you make references to things without explination. Until you give real world examples of all this your claims are, in fact, unfounded. The truth is, most negative comments about Vista have been really nothing more than incorrect, misunderstood, or out right lies.

From what I've seen posted, I've observed people giving out semi incorrect information and then I see vista supporters "correct" these people with even more incorrect information.