nakedfrog
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I'm going to try this again. This is a direct question, I'd like you to try to answer it directly.
A "yes" or "no" would be neat, and if you want to include some expository text, that's fine too.
Of course Indus will never answer that direct question of yours.
It's like saying "Hitler is a German male (well, Austrian, but who's counting?), Trump is a male of German descent... they have so much in common!"
Here's one of Hitler's famous sayings:
"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."
Who's winning the millennials? Bernie Sanders?!!! He has soooo much in common with Hitler! Sanders, Hitler, what a perfect pair! Right there is a new thread to create in this forum.
"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."
Who's winning the millennials? Bernie Sanders?!!! He has soooo much in common with Hitler! Sanders, Hitler, what a perfect pair! Right there is a new thread to create in this forum.
nakedfrog
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Is this supposed to be your answer? It's not a direct "no", but it feels like it's intended to be a "no".
I don't like or support Trump, I strongly disagree with him on a number of things he says and the reasons people give for supporting him are often difficult for me to understand.
But I don't see most of these comparisons as particularly valid.
1) "Eminent domain to take lands" is an actual government privilege already. Trump saying that it was necessary, while heavily debatable, is not a particularly radical or Hitler-esque position.
2) "Blacks (BLM) are the enemy" opposing or taking issues with BLM doesn't mean you consider black people to be the enemy or that you think black lives don't matter. I'm pretty sure that's not automatically the case for the black people who have issues with BLM too. I perhaps support their overall movement but there's definitely stuff to criticize, like the attitude in which their supporters have co-opted other things, spread accusations of white supremacy to anyone who isn't on board 100%, or paint a misleading image of issues with police corruption/brutality in America being purely race-based.
3) "Waterboarding" I don't agree with it at all but some levels of torture/coercion of this nature are again hardly limited to Nazi ideology.
4) "Mexicans" this is another case where what Trump said, while being something I very much don't support, has been woefully misrepresented. His stance is that immigrants from Mexico contain a large portion of undesirables that can't function at home or are otherwise being driven out. While that statement badly needs support it's not the same as hating Mexicans in general or being hostile towards Mexicans (in Mexico) or Mexican Americans (who are legitimate citizens)
5) "Asians" what about them? Is this about how Trump asked if someone was from South Korea and therefore allegedly considers Asian Americans perpetual immigrants, even though he asked because he was being questioned on South Korea?
6) "Walls" again very much not limited to or particularly relevant to Nazi ideology and the Atlantic Wall and air-defense over Germany were defensive measures against invasion during a war. Very different application.
7) "Deportation squads" there's a huge difference between wanting to deport people who didn't receive proper citizenship and wanting to deport minorities among the citizenry (or put them in ghettos)
8) "Not being nice" a lot of people aren't nice. Hillary Clinton doesn't come off as that nice to me.
9) "Anchor babies not being citizens" is the standard in nearly every country in the world outside of America and Canada, which have a different standard because of their unique heritage. It's not really that radical to propose that things have changed and America is better off being like everyone else now. Although I personally support right by birth more than right by distant ancestry (beyond parents) which some other countries have.
10) "Take take take for America" so uhh what are you saying, that Trump has shown real ambitions of taking over other countries? What can you point at that is legitimately comparable to Hitler's invasions and annexations?
11) "Killing families of enemies of America" okay, this one was pretty fucked up. I really hope that he at least meant this to be about families that were also involved in terrorism and just messed up how he said it.
But I don't see most of these comparisons as particularly valid.
1) "Eminent domain to take lands" is an actual government privilege already. Trump saying that it was necessary, while heavily debatable, is not a particularly radical or Hitler-esque position.
2) "Blacks (BLM) are the enemy" opposing or taking issues with BLM doesn't mean you consider black people to be the enemy or that you think black lives don't matter. I'm pretty sure that's not automatically the case for the black people who have issues with BLM too. I perhaps support their overall movement but there's definitely stuff to criticize, like the attitude in which their supporters have co-opted other things, spread accusations of white supremacy to anyone who isn't on board 100%, or paint a misleading image of issues with police corruption/brutality in America being purely race-based.
3) "Waterboarding" I don't agree with it at all but some levels of torture/coercion of this nature are again hardly limited to Nazi ideology.
4) "Mexicans" this is another case where what Trump said, while being something I very much don't support, has been woefully misrepresented. His stance is that immigrants from Mexico contain a large portion of undesirables that can't function at home or are otherwise being driven out. While that statement badly needs support it's not the same as hating Mexicans in general or being hostile towards Mexicans (in Mexico) or Mexican Americans (who are legitimate citizens)
5) "Asians" what about them? Is this about how Trump asked if someone was from South Korea and therefore allegedly considers Asian Americans perpetual immigrants, even though he asked because he was being questioned on South Korea?
6) "Walls" again very much not limited to or particularly relevant to Nazi ideology and the Atlantic Wall and air-defense over Germany were defensive measures against invasion during a war. Very different application.
7) "Deportation squads" there's a huge difference between wanting to deport people who didn't receive proper citizenship and wanting to deport minorities among the citizenry (or put them in ghettos)
8) "Not being nice" a lot of people aren't nice. Hillary Clinton doesn't come off as that nice to me.
9) "Anchor babies not being citizens" is the standard in nearly every country in the world outside of America and Canada, which have a different standard because of their unique heritage. It's not really that radical to propose that things have changed and America is better off being like everyone else now. Although I personally support right by birth more than right by distant ancestry (beyond parents) which some other countries have.
10) "Take take take for America" so uhh what are you saying, that Trump has shown real ambitions of taking over other countries? What can you point at that is legitimately comparable to Hitler's invasions and annexations?
11) "Killing families of enemies of America" okay, this one was pretty fucked up. I really hope that he at least meant this to be about families that were also involved in terrorism and just messed up how he said it.
nakedfrog
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It honestly completely fails, as far as being a direct answer to the question I was asking.
A direct answer would be something like "Yes, I genuinely believe Trump will call for the killing of all Muslims in the US" or "No, I don't literally believe that to be true".
What you're providing are direct answers to questions no one asked. I'm not sure why this should be so difficult. Perhaps you're preparing to enter politics yourself
SP33Demon
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You realize Kasich will be endorsing Trump if Trump beats him in OH right? They are buddies.
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OutHouse
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shortylickens
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If you ever look at those political quizzes that show the X/Y axis (see below), both Obama and Hillary fall onto the authoritarian side, it's just that the GOP falls WAY into the authoritarian side. Then there are those who are ACTUALLY on the left. There's a reason that Bernie is popular, he's the first candidate in who knows how long that actually is left wing at all. Unfortunately the public is a bit too authoritarian in this country, thanks mostly to fear based rhetoric. (For reference most people I know that actually hold left wing view fall about halfway into the bottom left quadrant, myself included)
Bernie wants government-funded-everything.
His is NOT a libertarian. He's not even on the left side of the line.
Dont get me wrong, I like the guy much better than everyone else. He's the only politician than understands if you want something, you actually have to PAY for it. Previous presidents seem to think lousy budgets and massive debts are perfectly acceptable.
lopri
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Isn't there a hint of irony? The U.S. is the most powerful nation the world has ever known, yet here is a presidential candidate who blames everyone else for the nation's alleged misfortunes. There is no country that can force the U.S.' hands at gunpoint and it has been that way for quite some time. Imagine the incredulity of the world citizens, especially those who are frequent targets of the Duck. He is like a spoiled kid who always eats first on the table then blame the other kids for his obesity.
And who are the Duck's targets? It's always countries like China, Mexico, or those countries with "darker" or "shorter" peoples. You will not hear him singling out countries like Germany or Canada. And no, it is not because he has been briefed scholarly reports on particular trade imbalances.
Last but not least, the Duck openly flirts with violence, always reminding his supporters that it is an option when he (or they) doesn't get his way. He does so in a cowardly manner, btw - just yesterday he threatened violence against the protesters yet again. He says things like "I don't condone violence, but if anyone is up to it I will pay for your legal fees."
The Duck and his supporters value styles over substance - a familiar symptom in fascist circles. And they lash out all kinds of insults to their detractors (e.g. "losers," "suckers," "scums," "bimbo," to name a few), but they themselves are incredibly thin-skinned to criticism. (I was attacked for uttering "low information voters" by Trumpeters who hurled aforementioned insults around, to give you an idea)
All the ingredients are there. Their alternatives are not any more attractive. They have my condolence.
HamburgerBoy
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lol, I love it when liberals conveniently choose to forget that some countries have strong labor and environmental protection laws and other ones don't. You're right. The only difference between Germany and China as trade partners is that the former are ubermensch Aryans. Everyone knows this.
lopri
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HamburgerBoy
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Are you a big proponent of free-trade and buying things from countries with virtually no worker protections? I am, actually. While the downsides are obvious, it has turned China (as well as many other developing/newly developed nations) from a starving authoritarian shithole into a country with booming production and growth of their middle class. I didn't have you pegged as a libertarian type, but maybe I got you wrong.
So just to make sure I have things straight, here's the question reworded in an easy-to-interpret pictorial form:
This?
Or this?
HamburgerBoy
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No, but he is concerned about the advantage it gives companies to manufacture things in China rather than here.
I haven't heard him mention Japan as much lately, although you can easily find videos of him making similar comments about Japan in the 80s. Not a surprise since Japanese manufacturing was scaring Americans the most around that time. Oh, I guess I forgot to mention Japan being one of the most protectionist nations in the world, but yeah, I guess them folk being yellow is the real problem.
I haven't heard him mention Japan as much lately, although you can easily find videos of him making similar comments about Japan in the 80s. Not a surprise since Japanese manufacturing was scaring Americans the most around that time. Oh, I guess I forgot to mention Japan being one of the most protectionist nations in the world, but yeah, I guess them folk being yellow is the real problem.
He definitely is.
He will never answer that question with a yes or no. He made ignorant (wrong) statements and when asked to back them up, fails. This is common for him.
From Louie C K
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking wise and beautiful woman billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “fuck it. Fuck them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete. - Louis C.K.
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking wise and beautiful woman billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “fuck it. Fuck them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete. - Louis C.K.
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