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[MetalMat]

I'm having a tough time picking two to start in a PPR league between:
Blackmon @ Broncos, Nicks @ Bears, and Colston @ Pats. I guess this is what happens when you wait on WR...

Any thoughts?

KT

I would go with Blackmon. Jimmy Graham is essentially the Saints #1 WR, hard to trust Nicks, and the Broncos Defense is not that good.

 

[AMDZen]

Champ Bailey should be back this week, I don't know that I agree on Blackmon but obviously I'm biased.

 

[KeithTalent]

I would go with Blackmon. Jimmy Graham is essentially the Saints #1 WR, hard to trust Nicks, and the Broncos Defense is not that good.

Yeah, pretty much decided on Blackmon, he seems to a beast no matter who is throwing. Should be some decent junk time too.

Can't decide between Nicks and Colston though for the other spot.

KT

 

[KeithTalent]

Champ Bailey should be back this week, I don't know that I agree on Blackmon but obviously I'm biased.

I'm not that worried about Champ. Besides, most of the team could be sitting by the half, particularly a veteran coming back for his first game after an injury. If they are up 48-0 by the half, I think Blackmon could get some junk time yards and even a TD later in the game.

KT

 

[glenn1]

So far my Alex Smith choice hasn't killed me as much as it could have. He's #12 overall out of all the QBs, which isn't great obviously, but he's consistent, and for the QB/WR/RB/TE flex I can easily make do with Jordan Cameron. What's really killed me is David Wilson underperforming and losing Ahmad Bradshaw. Solid RB2s are hard to come by, though I feel good about Bolden in PPR so long as Vereen is out.

I'm making some offers now, but I'm also not going to be ripped off. Plenty of players getting hurt now (Julio Jones, Owen Daniels on IR) and that increases the value of some of my players like Dez Bryant and Gronk or Cameron, so I'd rather wait than sacrifice my one good WR or RB for something mediocre. I've made a ton of offers already, but no one is budging except for some really, really terrible offers where I'd lose someone good to get a crappy QB like Freeman.

No thanks, I'd rather gamble with waiver wire QBs. Quarterbacks are still deep enough that I can get by with Henne or Foles week by week depending on matchup. Guys like Cassel have put up more points in some games than QBs like Kaepernick or RGIII - it's all about the garbage time.

EDIT: Dropped Simpson for Keenan Allen.

Uhhh.. I suppose congratulations are in order for the trade you did. Alex Smith for Tom Brady (who has less points than Smith, fewer weapons, and is probably a lateral move at this point), Dez Bryant for Randall Cobb (downgrade), and Jordan Cameron for C.J. Spiller (confused). Which even after the trade leaves you rolling with Henne as your QB2.

I am completely baffled by it, but hope you got the deal you wanted.

 

[MetalMat]

Uhhh.. I suppose congratulations are in order for the trade you did. Alex Smith for Tom Brady (who has less points than Smith, fewer weapons, and is probably a lateral move at this point), Dez Bryant for Randall Cobb (downgrade), and Jordan Cameron for C.J. Spiller (confused). Which even after the trade leaves you rolling with Henne as your QB2.

I am completely baffled by it, but hope you got the deal you wanted.

I cant blame him, Alex Smith has a low ceiling and Tom Brady should bounce back with Amendola and Gronk back in action. You gotta shake things up when you are 1-4 and he did

 

[glenn1]

I cant blame him, Alex Smith has a low ceiling and Tom Brady should bounce back with Amendola and Gronk back in action. You gotta shake things up when you are 1-4 and he did

If he had kept Alex Smith and gotten Brady, then sure. But again since this is a effectively a 2QB league I'd say getting an upgrade for Henne would have been a better trade focus.

Again, if he's happy then that's all that matters.

 

[SP33Demon]

Yeah, I dunno, man. I might have to agree with Slayer on this. I wouldn't say terrible, but I don't think it was in your favor. I don't play PPR though, so I'm not familiar with it's rules/setup. Maybe due to that I'm missing something that you see.

Out of curiosity, why are you down on Rice?

Edit: Also, isn't David Wilson out for awhile?

Not PPR. I partially explained why I'm down on Rice, his team is second worst in the league to Jacksonville in Run Blocking and furthermore Rice is in the bottom 10% in Elusive rating on PFF (#25 of 28, only Chris Johnson, Law Firm, and L.Miller are worse). He may as well be a slightly better version of MJD at this point with that team, and at least MJD is middle of the pack in Elusive rating (#14) so Rice is probably even worse. His two TDs were last week were even fluky because they were at the goalline. He's probably going to get a good amount of yards just off volume alone (3-5 pts) but he's not even playable against a good Run Defense and his chances of ripping a long run for a TD is very low since he's not even making anyone miss on his extended runs. For example, against Miami he busted free and only had 1 man in the secondary to beat to get open field and failed. This is the epitome of Rice's year, maybe it's because of his hip but I'm not waiting around for him. Less than half of his games left that are favorable are Pitt next week where he may not be 100%, and Pitt, Minn, Chi later on. The rest of the games are a murderer's row of Run Defenses (Cle, NYJ, NE, CinX2, Green Bay this week).

I have Moreno, Richardson, and SJax (back in week 7) so he's expendable. With Daniels gone, I had no tight end other than Fleener and Witten has the best schedule of all top 5 Tight Ends remaining. Wilson was more or less a shot in the dark, if he plays week 8 then that's fine, if not then that's fine as well. Keep in mind he has a very juicy matchup against Philly in week 8 should he return by then, he just scorched them last week. Worst comes to worst, if his checkup on Monday is bad then I pick up J.Stewart instead. BTW J.Stewart isn't showing up on Yahoo projections yet so now's a good time to stash him, he'll allegedly be back in the next 2 weeks and should split time with D.Williams. Carolina is rocking an 11.8 Run Block rating so far (2nd best in the league behind Philly) and latter part of top 10 Pass Block which means that their O-Line is performing great (#6 overall).

The bottom line is that Witten is way better value than Rice and should outscore him by a good chunk in their remaining games. I picked up Fleener off WW so it really wasn't a big loss, he would only be a bye week standin for Witten anyway.

 

[MetalMat]

I explained why I'm down on Rice, his team is second worst in the league to Jacksonville in Run Blocking and Rice is in the bottom 10% in Elusive rating on PFF. He may as well be a slightly better version of MJD at this point. His two TDs were last week were even fluky because they were at the goalline. He's probably going to get a good amount of yards just off volume alone but he's not even playable against a good Run Defense and his chances of ripping a long run for a TD is very low since he's not even making anyone miss on his extended runs. For example, against Miami he busted free and only had 1 man in the secondary to beat to get open field and failed. This is the epitome of Rice's year, maybe it's because of his hip but I'm not waiting around for him.

Furthermore, I have Moreno, Richardson, and SJax (back in week 7) so he's expendable. I had no tight end other than Fleener and Witten has the best schedule of all top 5 Tight Ends remaining. Wilson was more or less a shot in the dark, if he plays week 8 then that's fine, if not then that's fine as well. Keep in mind he has a very juicy matchup against Philly should he return by then, he just scorched them last week. Worst comes to worst, if his checkup on Monday is bad then I pick up J.Stewart instead. BTW J.Stewart isn't showing up on Yahoo projections yet so now's a good time to stash him, he'll allegedly be back in the next 2 weeks and should split time with D.Williams. Carolina is rocking a 9.8 Run Block so far which means that O-Line is performing admirably.

I'm totally with you. With the loss of Julio Jones the Falcons are going to lean on SJax even more. Knowshown Moreno is and will continue to be the starting RB for Denver. On paper it might seems like a semi bad deal but I think its a great trade for you, Witten will be a top 5 TE for the rest of the season.

 

[Fingolfin269]

OK guys need some help... here is my team as it currently stands. I think for a 12 team league this lineup is fantastic (thanks to keeping Peterson for so cheap and doing well/getting lucky in the auction) but the loss of Jones and health concerns with White are starting to make me worry about Ryan.

Starters:
QB - Matt Ryan
RB - Adrian Peterson
RB - Matt Forte
WR - Demaryius Thomas
WR - Victor Cruz
TE - Heath Miller (started season with Cook but apparently he sucks)

(Yes I have a K/DEF but not worried about changing those)

Reserves of note:
WR - Alshon Jeffery
WR - Denarius Moore
RB - Knowshon Moreno

So my reserves are basically set up to cover my remaining bye weeks very well. Both WR are off in week 9 and Jeffery/Moore will fit in nice. Forte still has a bye as well so Moreno can cover there.

But with that said people are coming at me pretty hard for Jeffery/Moreno. Would you move on trying to upgrade QB using Moreno or Jeffery? Or heck possibly either Cruz or Thomas? Or if you were me would you stand pat with the lineup as/is considering it looks like I have insurance pretty much across the board (sans QB since my backup is the now atrocious Andy Dalton)? I can see it either way but don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves.

 

[slayer202]

try for a QB or TE(ideally both since you have two pieces to trade). you don't need to touch your WRs

 

[slayer202]

The bottom line is that Witten is way better value than Rice and should outscore him by a good chunk in their remaining games.

I strongly strongly disagree

 

[MetalMat]

OK guys need some help... here is my team as it currently stands. I think for a 12 team league this lineup is fantastic (thanks to keeping Peterson for so cheap and doing well/getting lucky in the auction) but the loss of Jones and health concerns with White are starting to make me worry about Ryan.

Starters:
QB - Matt Ryan
RB - Adrian Peterson
RB - Matt Forte
WR - Demaryius Thomas
WR - Victor Cruz
TE - Heath Miller (started season with Cook but apparently he sucks)

(Yes I have a K/DEF but not worried about changing those)

Reserves of note:
WR - Alshon Jeffery
WR - Denarius Moore
RB - Knowshon Moreno

So my reserves are basically set up to cover my remaining bye weeks very well. Both WR are off in week 9 and Jeffery/Moore will fit in nice. Forte still has a bye as well so Moreno can cover there.

But with that said people are coming at me pretty hard for Jeffery/Moreno. Would you move on trying to upgrade QB using Moreno or Jeffery? Or heck possibly either Cruz or Thomas? Or if you were me would you stand pat with the lineup as/is considering it looks like I have insurance pretty much across the board (sans QB since my backup is the now atrocious Andy Dalton)? I can see it either way but don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves.

Is it a PPR league?

 

[glenn1]

I strongly strongly disagree

Well, it depends on the scoring system and lineup requirements, but I'm of the same opinion. Jimmy Graham outscoring Rice, probably. Gronk and Orange Julius or Jordan Cameron, plausible. Witten, well......

 

[glenn1]

OK guys need some help... here is my team as it currently stands. I think for a 12 team league this lineup is fantastic (thanks to keeping Peterson for so cheap and doing well/getting lucky in the auction) but the loss of Jones and health concerns with White are starting to make me worry about Ryan.

Starters:
QB - Matt Ryan
RB - Adrian Peterson
RB - Matt Forte
WR - Demaryius Thomas
WR - Victor Cruz
TE - Heath Miller (started season with Cook but apparently he sucks)

(Yes I have a K/DEF but not worried about changing those)

Reserves of note:
WR - Alshon Jeffery
WR - Denarius Moore
RB - Knowshon Moreno

So my reserves are basically set up to cover my remaining bye weeks very well. Both WR are off in week 9 and Jeffery/Moore will fit in nice. Forte still has a bye as well so Moreno can cover there.

But with that said people are coming at me pretty hard for Jeffery/Moreno. Would you move on trying to upgrade QB using Moreno or Jeffery? Or heck possibly either Cruz or Thomas? Or if you were me would you stand pat with the lineup as/is considering it looks like I have insurance pretty much across the board (sans QB since my backup is the now atrocious Andy Dalton)? I can see it either way but don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves.

Not much room to upgrade from Cruz and Thomas. Ryan is fine unless you can upgrage to Payton, Brees, or Rogers then sit tight unless someone makes you a ridiculously favorable offer. Andy Dalton is a serviceable backup, no need to give up other pieces to upgrade him. Maybe package him and Moore for a better TE?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Is it a PPR league?

Good question should have included that. It is not PPR. QBs get 4 per TD and all others get 6 per TD.

 

[MetalMat]

I strongly strongly disagree

Why do you think that? Look at Cowboys schedule for the rest of the season

 

[MetalMat]

Good question should have included that. It is not PPR. QBs get 4 per TD and all others get 6 per TD.

Hmmm, that makes it interesting. I may be higher on Matt Ryan than most people but I would stick with him for now unless you can get a huge upgrade at QB like Brees of Rodgers. Otherwise I would look for an upgrade at TE, you may be able to sling a trade for Tony Gonzalez or Julius Thomas

 

[Fingolfin269]

Hmmm, that makes it interesting. I may be higher on Matt Ryan than most people but I would stick with him for now unless you can get a huge upgrade at QB like Brees of Rodgers. Otherwise I would look for an upgrade at TE

Yeah I've actually been very happy with Ryan this season. If he can continue producing at the same level for the rest of the year then I think I'll be fine. I just hope he doesn't take a noticeable dive due to losing Julio.

 

[Adrenaline]

OK guys need some help... here is my team as it currently stands. I think for a 12 team league this lineup is fantastic (thanks to keeping Peterson for so cheap and doing well/getting lucky in the auction) but the loss of Jones and health concerns with White are starting to make me worry about Ryan.

Starters:
QB - Matt Ryan
RB - Adrian Peterson
RB - Matt Forte
WR - Demaryius Thomas
WR - Victor Cruz
TE - Heath Miller (started season with Cook but apparently he sucks)

(Yes I have a K/DEF but not worried about changing those)

Reserves of note:
WR - Alshon Jeffery
WR - Denarius Moore
RB - Knowshon Moreno

So my reserves are basically set up to cover my remaining bye weeks very well. Both WR are off in week 9 and Jeffery/Moore will fit in nice. Forte still has a bye as well so Moreno can cover there.

But with that said people are coming at me pretty hard for Jeffery/Moreno. Would you move on trying to upgrade QB using Moreno or Jeffery? Or heck possibly either Cruz or Thomas? Or if you were me would you stand pat with the lineup as/is considering it looks like I have insurance pretty much across the board (sans QB since my backup is the now atrocious Andy Dalton)? I can see it either way but don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves.

You could wait. Ryan is on bye this week and Big Ben loves to throw to Miller.

If you want to upgrade, I would shoot for a better QB over the TE. I would hold Moreno at a high value as well.

 

[slayer202]

Why do you think that? Look at Cowboys schedule for the rest of the season

non-ppr makes it closer but barely. TEs aren't as valuable as RBs, and Rice is still a top guy since there is uncertainty once you get past the top 5. It's not even close imo


And with regards to Matt Ryan, I might be worried now that julio is done. Without roddy at 100% he doesn't have many options.

 

[glenn1]

non-ppr makes it closer but barely. TEs aren't as valuable as RBs, and Rice is still a top guy since there is uncertainty once you get past the top 5. It's not even close imo


And with regards to Matt Ryan, I might be worried now that julio is done. Without roddy at 100% he doesn't have many options.

The more relevant question is what it would cost him to upgrade from Ryan, and if in the end he would be better off. Moreno is his best Flex option and I doubt including him and Ryan in trade would net Manning. Anything more realistic trade option like Stafford wouldn't be worth it.

 

[slayer202]

well he has no flex spot. but maybe it's still not worth it. maybe he can find someone with a TE and QB, bundle deal

 

[MisterJackson]

Not PPR. I partially explained why I'm down on Rice, his team is second worst in the league to Jacksonville in Run Blocking and furthermore Rice is in the bottom 10% in Elusive rating on PFF (#25 of 28, only Chris Johnson, Law Firm, and L.Miller are worse). He may as well be a slightly better version of MJD at this point with that team, and at least MJD is middle of the pack in Elusive rating (#14) so Rice is probably even worse. His two TDs were last week were even fluky because they were at the goalline. He's probably going to get a good amount of yards just off volume alone (3-5 pts) but he's not even playable against a good Run Defense and his chances of ripping a long run for a TD is very low since he's not even making anyone miss on his extended runs. For example, against Miami he busted free and only had 1 man in the secondary to beat to get open field and failed. This is the epitome of Rice's year, maybe it's because of his hip but I'm not waiting around for him. Less than half of his games left that are favorable are Pitt next week where he may not be 100%, and Pitt, Minn, Chi later on. The rest of the games are a murderer's row of Run Defenses (Cle, NYJ, NE, CinX2, Green Bay this week).

I have Moreno, Richardson, and SJax (back in week 7) so he's expendable. With Daniels gone, I had no tight end other than Fleener and Witten has the best schedule of all top 5 Tight Ends remaining. Wilson was more or less a shot in the dark, if he plays week 8 then that's fine, if not then that's fine as well. Keep in mind he has a very juicy matchup against Philly in week 8 should he return by then, he just scorched them last week. Worst comes to worst, if his checkup on Monday is bad then I pick up J.Stewart instead. BTW J.Stewart isn't showing up on Yahoo projections yet so now's a good time to stash him, he'll allegedly be back in the next 2 weeks and should split time with D.Williams. Carolina is rocking an 11.8 Run Block rating so far (2nd best in the league behind Philly) and latter part of top 10 Pass Block which means that their O-Line is performing great (#6 overall).

The bottom line is that Witten is way better value than Rice and should outscore him by a good chunk in their remaining games. I picked up Fleener off WW so it really wasn't a big loss, he would only be a bye week standin for Witten anyway.

I see where you're going with the logic, and your reasoning makes sense, but like someone else said, on paper Witten is not more valuable then Rice.

You clearly know your shit though, and as long as you're comfortable with it, that's all that matters. I am curious to see how it pans out.

 

[AstroManLuca]

non-ppr makes it closer but barely. TEs aren't as valuable as RBs, and Rice is still a top guy since there is uncertainty once you get past the top 5. It's not even close imo


And with regards to Matt Ryan, I might be worried now that julio is done. Without roddy at 100% he doesn't have many options.

Non-PPR tips things further toward Rice being the more valuable side of the equation. Witten is a middle of the road TE1 in standard, but a high TE1 in PPR because he tends to catch a large number of passes even if he doesn't score. Last year he set the NFL record for catches by a TE. He catches more passes per game than Rice, thus making him relatively less valuable in non-PPR vs. PPR.

Matt Ryan is not a QB you want to sell now. Too many people are nervous about him losing Julio. You'll just have to sit on him and hope that he is able to produce with Harry Douglas, Kevin Cone, and Drew Davis (and of course Steven Jackson and Tony Gonzalez underneath).