Hey AmusedOne, you're from SoCal too? Guess you checked immorality at the state border when you left yah? 
Kev
Kev
uhh they never bothered to contact my friend. its not like he lied or anything. why is it dishonest? People are busy in their lives, are we supposed to drop everything for some sloppy company?
You people are so young and naive.
It may be a big deal to you, but to me honesty is worth a few minutes of my time.
I don't know how old you are, but I don't think honesty spells naivete.
Perhaps the lack thereof spells immaturity?
Viper GTS
You people are so young and naive.
It may be a big deal to you, but to me honesty is worth a few minutes of my time.
I don't know how old you are, but I don't think honesty spells naivete.
Perhaps the lack thereof spells immaturity?
Viper GTS
HomeBrewerDude
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aaronp = 12 years old?
At least he seems about that mature. Go find another forum if you can't discuss topics rationally without relying on insults and personal attacks.
At least he seems about that mature. Go find another forum if you can't discuss topics rationally without relying on insults and personal attacks.
<< and we're suppose to be ultra accomidating to them? >>
Is returning $1800 worth of goods you didn't pay for ultra accomidating? Its not like you'd have to do it next day air or anything, but if you take 5 minutes to call them, they mail you a return sticker and have ups pick it up off your door step it doesnt seem like that much work to me. If you're walking behind me and see my wallet fall from my pocket would you yell my name to stop me and give it back or is all that talking too accomidating?
kranky, that reminds me of a friend of mine who ordered a case of 12 duck decoys. The paintjob on that batch was bad so he sent them back, when the company sent him new ones, somewhere along the line, 1 case of 12 turned into 12 cases!! 144 deeks for the price of 12!!!
I guess Aaron is around an age of 10, from the facts that:
1) he rates another person 1 coz' other people say that he is immoral
2) picks on where people live...
if you even care to read this aaron, i am not saying whether it is stealing or not. in fact i don't care. but you are right, i am picking on you, and most likely a lot of other people in the forum
1) he rates another person 1 coz' other people say that he is immoral
2) picks on where people live...
if you even care to read this aaron, i am not saying whether it is stealing or not. in fact i don't care. but you are right, i am picking on you, and most likely a lot of other people in the forum
i wouldn't consider it stealing unless, you ordered a mouse.. and they sent you a monitor or something.. plus.. if it's somthing closer in price.. and they don't ask for i back...its a free "gift!"
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I guess I agree with AmusedOne the most, much as I hate to. (I like freebies!)
There are so many things that are not illegal from the perspective of the law, but are "morally" illegal.
I'll just draw a dangerous line for myself--if the freebie does not cost a lot and would actually cause more hassle for vendor and myself than it's worth, then I'll just not do anything about it.
1YP
There are so many things that are not illegal from the perspective of the law, but are "morally" illegal.
I'll just draw a dangerous line for myself--if the freebie does not cost a lot and would actually cause more hassle for vendor and myself than it's worth, then I'll just not do anything about it.
1YP
Did you pay for it? Di they agree to give it to you> If the answer is no you must return it. You may not think you are hurting anybody, but these losses are felt at companies of all sizes
<<There's no moral problems there either. At least not to me or him.
The only problem is your morals then.
Viper GTS
>>
I second that. Both of you are sorry if you don't agree.
The only problem is your morals then.
Viper GTS
>>
I second that. Both of you are sorry if you don't agree.
ohh no, Mollymawk of tennesseeeeee doesn't approve of me, I'm gonna have to cry myself to sleep tonight. So, how are Cletus and Billy Joe doing?
I agree with Aaron, although obviously the way he chose to fight this battle is in very bad taste.
Yes, I believe a large number of people are naive.
Yes, it probably has something to do with geography because people who grow up in places where crime is a common thing will have a different outlook than those who grow up in a small town where everyone is nice and says 'howdy ya'll' every day.
No I don't think that by failing to notify a company of a shipment is wrong, as mentioned earlier they would do the same. Loss prevention? Whatever happened to TRYING to keep a customer by having good service. Besides, unless every person on earth starts being nice to companies, Loss Prevention (aka needless dicking around) won't be ending anytime soon. Try spending some time in a city for more than 2 years and having to deal with large companies. "Dicking around", as well as numerous other crackhead tactics employed by companies will make you realize that treating them with morals and expecting to get the same back is just foolish.
It's obvious, that most of the people here will disagree with what I said. Maybe they are, as Aaron hypothesized, from out in the middle of nowhere, or maybe they simply have been completely lucky their entire life. Regardless, there is no way to win a battle of morals on these forums unless you gain a majority of support and post the same drivel until everyone gives up, so I'll give up now and save you the trouble. G'night, and good luck, you'll need it.
Yes, I believe a large number of people are naive.
Yes, it probably has something to do with geography because people who grow up in places where crime is a common thing will have a different outlook than those who grow up in a small town where everyone is nice and says 'howdy ya'll' every day.
No I don't think that by failing to notify a company of a shipment is wrong, as mentioned earlier they would do the same. Loss prevention? Whatever happened to TRYING to keep a customer by having good service. Besides, unless every person on earth starts being nice to companies, Loss Prevention (aka needless dicking around) won't be ending anytime soon. Try spending some time in a city for more than 2 years and having to deal with large companies. "Dicking around", as well as numerous other crackhead tactics employed by companies will make you realize that treating them with morals and expecting to get the same back is just foolish.
It's obvious, that most of the people here will disagree with what I said. Maybe they are, as Aaron hypothesized, from out in the middle of nowhere, or maybe they simply have been completely lucky their entire life. Regardless, there is no way to win a battle of morals on these forums unless you gain a majority of support and post the same drivel until everyone gives up, so I'll give up now and save you the trouble. G'night, and good luck, you'll need it.
I have been overcharged for items at the grocery store, not had coupons deducted, been ripped through the drive-through of fast food chains, and have gotten wrong (or had small missing items) on several Internet purchases. I have also gotten items pushed through the register and not rung up, a lower price scanned for the item that I have purchased, someone elses (more expensive order) through the drive-through and an extra, or more expensive item delivered from an Internet purchase.
My feeling is that you win some and lose some, and it usually evens out in the end. Therefore I never worry about it either way unless I ordered a $3000 laptop and recieved TI calculator in it's place
My feeling is that you win some and lose some, and it usually evens out in the end. Therefore I never worry about it either way unless I ordered a $3000 laptop and recieved TI calculator in it's place
Amused
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<< I agree with Aaron, although obviously the way he chose to fight this battle is in very bad taste.
Yes, I believe a large number of people are naive.
Yes, it probably has something to do with geography because people who grow up in places where crime is a common thing will have a different outlook than those who grow up in a small town where everyone is nice and says 'howdy ya'll' every day.
No I don't think that by failing to notify a company of a shipment is wrong, as mentioned earlier they would do the same. Loss prevention? Whatever happened to TRYING to keep a customer by having good service. Besides, unless every person on earth starts being nice to companies, Loss Prevention (aka needless dicking around) won't be ending anytime soon. Try spending some time in a city for more than 2 years and having to deal with large companies. "Dicking around", as well as numerous other crackhead tactics employed by companies will make you realize that treating them with morals and expecting to get the same back is just foolish.
It's obvious, that most of the people here will disagree with what I said. Maybe they are, as Aaron hypothesized, from out in the middle of nowhere, or maybe they simply have been completely lucky their entire life. Regardless, there is no way to win a battle of morals on these forums unless you gain a majority of support and post the same drivel until everyone gives up, so I'll give up now and save you the trouble. G'night, and good luck, you'll need it. >>
And you simply become part of the problem, and contribute nothing to solving the problem.
For some reason, you are under the mistaken impression that I've led a sheltered life, have never beed screwed over by people or companies and I am naive. I assure you, you're wrong on all counts.
I am, however, mature enough to realize that it is counter productive to screw over everyone else, just because I've been had.
Morality and ethics begins with YOU. You can't expect everyone else to treat you right, if you're not willing to treat everyone else right. Shirking your moral responsibilities just because you think "everyone else does it" is merely an excuse, and solves nothing. If company A rips you off, that is NO reason for you to rip off company B. You simply become part of a vicious cycle.
You seem to think a person is a sucker if they have ethics and treat others as they would be treated. How terribly sad. One can have ethics, and still protect themselves from people who lack the proper ethics and morality to do honest business transactions with. We just have to "d!ck you around" a bit so we can check out your story.
Finally, when companies lose money to dishonest folks, they don't just take it up the rear, they add that cost into the prices they charge.
No. It's not theft. It's their fvck up. You were honest - you picked up the item, placed it at the cash register, and the cashier missed it. It's not like you hid it away from people in your jacket.
I appreciate threads like this. You get to see how 'honest' ppl really are. It's comforting to know that I can put AaronP on my Do-Not-Trade-With list w/o having to lose money on a trade first. That ppl think like that are the reason there is such a thing as loss prevention in large companies. If more ppl were honest, do you really think they'd need a service like that? Highly doubtful.
I'm not standing on the soapbox proclaiming to be perfect. Far from it. But I try to be the best person I can be. And the largest part of that is Doing Unto Others as AmusedOne mentioned. I sell things on occasion, too, not just buy. So I'd rather know that if I goof up, I'm dealing with an honest person who isn't going to screw me for a mistake. God forbid someone do the right thing in this world of ours :disgust:
I'm not standing on the soapbox proclaiming to be perfect. Far from it. But I try to be the best person I can be. And the largest part of that is Doing Unto Others as AmusedOne mentioned. I sell things on occasion, too, not just buy. So I'd rather know that if I goof up, I'm dealing with an honest person who isn't going to screw me for a mistake. God forbid someone do the right thing in this world of ours :disgust:
<< Helpless: even if they want it back, you do not have to give it to them. If someone sends something you did not order it is yours no matter what. This is to prevent companies from shipping out items and then demanding payment. A practice that used to be common. >>
Like those Columbia House idiots who sent my sister a CD and asked her to "ship it back" if she doesn't want it.
YEah like if you get your paycheck one day and it has too many 0's, and you go cash it and spend it, if the company realizes that they gave you too much money they can ask for it back and by law get it back. but if they don't. it's a free money gift.
I always take the honest route-
CaseETC sent me a radiator that cost twice as much at the waterblock they were su pposed to send me. I mailed it back, and they sent me the waterblock. Reading these posts makes me feel a little better about not keeping the incorrect/more expensive item...
On the other hand- here's a great one:
Back in 1997 I won a bid on a box of ethernet cards from Onsale.com. I won a bid at $49 for 1 box of 5 SMC 10baseT combo cards. Onsale contacted me and told me that they ran out of combo cards, and asked if I would take a box of cards with only RJ-45 jacks on them. I accepted on the condition that they reduce the price to $39, and they agreed.
Somehow, when the order got to the warehouse, it went from 1 box at $39 to 39 boxes at $1 each. They backordered 7 boxes, and shipped 32. To top it off, the cards they sent were the ones that they said were out of stock! Nobody even caught it until I got the UPS email, and called them to see what the hell was going on. They said that I could return however many boxes I wanted on their UPS account. Keep in mind that I did pay for all these boxes- at $1 plus $12 shipping each. That's a lot of money for a starving college student. I figured that if it cost $12 a box for them to send it to me, sending it all back to them would cost them more money than it's worth, plus I didn't have a car to load up with 32 boxes and drive out to UPS. I called back, talked with them- and they said it would be fine if I kept all the boxes.
In the end, I got 160 ethernet cards for $416... and UT campus here had just networked their dorms. Well, the campus computer store was selling cards for $75 each (maybe $80?) at the time... I turned around and sold 75 cards to a local shop the first day I had them.. for $1000. New burner! I dumped the rest for $20 each to anyone that needed a card for their machine. That may seem like a lot now, but it was pretty cheap back then.
I guess this was a little off topic, but I think it's still related.. plus it's a cool story of how a big company can just blow off a loss when it's more expensive for them to go back and fix it.
CaseETC sent me a radiator that cost twice as much at the waterblock they were su pposed to send me. I mailed it back, and they sent me the waterblock. Reading these posts makes me feel a little better about not keeping the incorrect/more expensive item...
On the other hand- here's a great one:
Back in 1997 I won a bid on a box of ethernet cards from Onsale.com. I won a bid at $49 for 1 box of 5 SMC 10baseT combo cards. Onsale contacted me and told me that they ran out of combo cards, and asked if I would take a box of cards with only RJ-45 jacks on them. I accepted on the condition that they reduce the price to $39, and they agreed.
Somehow, when the order got to the warehouse, it went from 1 box at $39 to 39 boxes at $1 each. They backordered 7 boxes, and shipped 32. To top it off, the cards they sent were the ones that they said were out of stock! Nobody even caught it until I got the UPS email, and called them to see what the hell was going on. They said that I could return however many boxes I wanted on their UPS account. Keep in mind that I did pay for all these boxes- at $1 plus $12 shipping each. That's a lot of money for a starving college student. I figured that if it cost $12 a box for them to send it to me, sending it all back to them would cost them more money than it's worth, plus I didn't have a car to load up with 32 boxes and drive out to UPS. I called back, talked with them- and they said it would be fine if I kept all the boxes.
In the end, I got 160 ethernet cards for $416... and UT campus here had just networked their dorms. Well, the campus computer store was selling cards for $75 each (maybe $80?) at the time... I turned around and sold 75 cards to a local shop the first day I had them.. for $1000. New burner!
I dumped the rest for $20 each to anyone that needed a card for their machine. That may seem like a lot now, but it was pretty cheap back then.I guess this was a little off topic, but I think it's still related.. plus it's a cool story of how a big company can just blow off a loss when it's more expensive for them to go back and fix it.
But vryce, you were honest in dealing w/ the company about it. That's not the issue here, unfortunately. Seems some on here think it would've been perfectly fine to just keep all the cards w/o saying anything to the company.
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