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is this racist? scholarship for whites only

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Many scholarships are privately funded, and they can fund anyone they choose to. If they want to give money only to white supremacists, they're entirely within their rights, and I fully encourage that. You should be able to give money anyone, or any group you choose to.
 
Bignate603 said:
The paradox is that as long as there are things like affirmative action or scholarships that target specific groups based on ethnicity there will be a need for them. Choosing people based on race rather than merit or need breeds dependence and also sends the message that it's ok for them to be less skilled, knowledgeable or hard working because of "past injustice".

As long as people keep on believing that they're owed something due to their race it's impossible for them to be equal. That belief is the definition of inequality.
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You do realize AA makes up for a VERY small overall percentage of jobs and scholarships right? White people who aren't qualified for a job get hired over minorities all the time, there just isn't a term for it. Even with AA in place, me being white still gives me a huge advantage for getting a job or a grant over a minority.
 
QueBert said:
You do realize AA makes up for a VERY small overall percentage of jobs and scholarships right? White people who aren't qualified for a job get hired over minorities all the time, there just isn't a term for it. Even with AA in place, me being white still gives me a huge advantage for getting a job or a grant over a minority.
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And that's not right either. My whole argument is that programs that favor some people over others based on race is just going to perpetuate inequality. What we're striving for is there to be no preference given at all because of your race. Creating any program, quota, or preference based on race is a step backwards. It perpetuates the idea that there is something different between races which is the exact opposite of racial equality.

Like I said before, they need to start basing the aid and things on a person's situation. There are black people that have plenty of advantages and white people that have almost none.
 
Black ATOT member right here- I personally don't see anything wrong with this. What does it hurt? Who does it hurt? Not anyone. White only scholarship.... no problem with it.
 
QueBert said:
You do realize AA makes up for a VERY small overall percentage of jobs and scholarships right? White people who aren't qualified for a job get hired over minorities all the time, there just isn't a term for it. Even with AA in place, me being white still gives me a huge advantage for getting a job or a grant over a minority.
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There is strong evidence against this. If this was true you would see people who are identified as whites having lower qualifications on average when accepted, but they don't.

AA also harms people who are labeled as being Asian. When AA is eliminated the number of people who are labeled as Asian increase dramatically at major universities.

Remember though these are labels put on people by society. In reality there are no whites, asians, blacks, ect. There are only people.
 
lxskllr said:
Many scholarships are privately funded, and they can fund anyone they choose to. If they want to give money only to white supremacists, they're entirely within their rights, and I fully encourage that. You should be able to give money anyone, or any group you choose to.
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I agree you should be able to choose whomever you want to give your money to, that doesn't mean you're not a racist though.

I can't recall ever hearing an argument on why you should give a scholarship to only one race that didn't make the person seem like a racist to me.
 
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actuarial said:
I agree you should be able to choose whomever you want to give your money to, that doesn't mean your not a racist though.

I can't recall ever hearing an argument on why you should give a scholarship to only one race that didn't make the person seem like a racist to me.
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Racism has an unfair negative stigma. It isn't bad, or good, but a descriptive term. Let's assume I somehow make millions of dollars, and want to contribute something back to the community. I start a scholarship fund that only gives money to white girls because they remind me of my daughter. Not only is that racist, but sexist also. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and nothing should be inferred from the restrictions I placed on the grant.
 
I was thinking about this yesterday and realized they do have these - they're called scholarships for people of European descent. I'm sure you can find an organization that hands out scholarships only to people with German, French, Italian, Finnish, Slavic, etc. origins. And almost all of those people are white.
 
depends how you want to define racist. imo it is, but so are all other minority scholarships. if the color of your skin, or your heritage is part of a qualification/decision making process, its racist.
 
Bignate603 said:
The paradox is that as long as there are things like affirmative action or scholarships that target specific groups based on ethnicity there will be a need for them. Choosing people based on race rather than merit or need breeds dependence and also sends the message that it's ok for them to be less skilled, knowledgeable or hard working because of "past injustice".

As long as people keep on believing that they're owed something due to their race it's impossible for them to be equal. That belief is the definition of inequality.
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And for reference most successful blacks in America repeat this speech ad infinitum. Shame no one listens to them about race issues. Angry liberals only want a celebrity spokesman when it supports their agenda.
 
shortylickens said:
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And for reference most successful blacks in America repeat this speech ad infinitum. Shame no one listens to them about race issues. Angry liberals only want a celebrity spokesman when it supports their agenda.
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Well Colin Powell and Condi Rice both support affirmative action, both conservatives.
 
classy said:
Well Colin Powell and Condi Rice both support affirmative action, both conservatives.
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Ward Connerly and Thomas Sowell both oppose affirmative action, both conservatives. Now that we have established that there are blacks on both sides of the issue that should make the race of the opinion holder meaningless.
 
Linflas said:
Ward Connerly and Thomas Sowell both oppose affirmative action, both conservatives. Now that we have established that there are blacks on both sides of the issue that should make the race of the opinion holder meaningless.
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Didn't you watch the racial draft? Condi Rice and Colin Powell are both white.
 
White males who are approx 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth so they already have all the advantages.

Minority scholorships are geared to level the playing field. All you people who bitch about unqualified minorities getting jobs should have no complaints.

Scholorships to whites only are just a big FU to minorities.
 
Bignate603 said:
The paradox is that as long as there are things like affirmative action or scholarships that target specific groups based on ethnicity there will be a need for them. Choosing people based on race rather than merit or need breeds dependence and also sends the message that it's ok for them to be less skilled, knowledgeable or hard working because of "past injustice".

As long as people keep on believing that they're owed something due to their race it's impossible for them to be equal. That belief is the definition of inequality.
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I both agree and disagree. I think it is important that merit is the only thing to be considered amongst all things, but I don't see how scholarships, which again--are generally based on private entities--foster dependence and encourage class status above merit.

The problem is within selection--Once you choose the candidate based on these issues above merit, you foster dependence to this notion. Scholarships, however, simply insure that if the candidate is selected, they will have a means for support. Whatever person or group a private organization chooses to represent, that is their business. It is a fact that blacks and other minorities are underrepresented, and at a very real economic disadvantage to white Americans. This is completely undeniable. Extra support is indeed necessary.

Admissions/selection vs. support are different issues.
 
HomerJS said:
White males who are approx 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth so they already have all the advantages.

Minority scholorships are geared to level the playing field. All you people who bitch about unqualified minorities getting jobs should have no complaints.

Scholorships to whites only are just a big FU to minorities.
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I'm white and grew up poor. Rich black kids in my school who got scholarships just for being black was like a big FU to me.

You're just helping to point out that ANY race based criteria is fucked up to begin with.
 
Who cares if it's racist? White people are screwing everything that moves. Haven't you watched the American Documentary 'Jungle Fever' by one of the greatest directors of all time Spike Lee, starring Wesley Snipes and some white bitch?

The real travesty is that you need to be male. This shit is sexist as hell. How is my sugar-momma supposed to support my blow addiction because some homosexual white-columbian druglord is stealing her scholarship.

I hate America.
 
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