If you WERE Jewish, and decided to hang a menorah up next to the tree I'd give two sh1ts less. Isn't the main tenant of most religions the teaching of tolerance? I mean come the fvck on. It's kids like you who ruin this stuff for the rest of us, in schools and in the real world. If I was still in highschool I'd seek you out and beat you.
Oh boo fvcking hoo... someone has a pine tree in/around their high school. Or are you calling it a Christmas tree these days?
The Christmas tree has become a secular symbol. I am not Christian, and I don't really care about the supposed origins of December 25. All I know is that it is a time to share gifts, people get days off from work/school, and there's lots of football on TV.
That is so fking stupid. When I was at school they decorated for, and celebrated, all major holidays - Christmas, Diwali, Chinese new year, etc. It gave the kids a chance to learn about world cultures and wear funny hats. This wasn't in America though. I don't know if it would be accepted in such a litigious country...
This is why some people have started calling it a holiday tree so any fvck tard that wants to make a big deal out of this would have to STFU
moshquerade
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moshquerade
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where in the constitution does it mention separation of church and state? our forefathers were very religious mind you. it's people like you who are bringing that foundation down.
The tree is not a Christian symbol. It's a symbol of long dead religions, and is now secular. Moshquerade, he isn't part of the problem- religious symbols have no place in a public school. It's just that a tree is not a religious symbol.
What's next? Forcing a student to take a cross off from around their neck because it's "religious?" Come on....
moshquerade
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why can't we have any religious symbols in our schools? do you think our forefathers forbade them? we have become so afraid of offending the minority that what the majority thinks doesn't mean crap.
i think the majority has become the new minority.
Hi. Is that the Constitution? Does it not state in that article that it was never written in the constitution, only in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Dansbury Baptists? As an added bonus, that article is in dispute for its neutrality. Thus, my declaration stands. Show me where that is mentioned in the Constitution.
P.S. I am adamantly against ID and I don't particularly care for organized religion.
moshquerade
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Here's what's next:
(CNSNews.com) - A Christmas-themed event to raise money at a public elementary school in Warwick, N.Y., has been altered to accommodate a parent's complaints that the program would illegally spotlight a "religious" figure - Santa Claus.
"Breakfast With Santa" has since been changed to "Winter Wonderland Breakfast," and -- in an effort to be inclusive of all beliefs -- the bearded one will now be joined at the Dec. 9 event by Frosty the Snowman.
Organizers made the changes after one parent charged that she and others in the community were offended that the Parent Teacher Association at the Sanfordville Elementary School was sponsoring a program geared toward one religion.
That parent, who did not wish to have her name used, wrote a letter to the school board asserting that Santa represents Christmas -- a Christian holiday -- and by law, a public school is not allowed to promote religion.
According to the Warwick Advertiser, the PTA offered to include Hanukkah traditions in the event, but the parent said she felt this still wasn't fair because it included religious activities.
"I look forward to sponsoring an event that is within the law and inclusive of all," the parent wrote in a letter to the school superintendent, Dr. Frank Greenhall. "This is not an argument about religion; it is about the law of our land. Discrimination is simply detestable."
Greenhall then contacted an attorney, who advised him in a letter that the district "should, at a minimum, modify the events to avoid potential litigation."
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?...lture/archive/200611/CUL20061130e.html
ViviTheMage
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I see no problems with it. Christmas, while originally a Christian-themed holiday, has become largely non-religious to many people. Besides that, it's also a time of the year when many different religions celebrate some type of event.
dartworth
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There are those who say that the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution. They are correct. The words "a wall of separation between church and state" are not found in our Constitution. Neither are the words "separation of powers"; "right to travel"; "freedom of association": or "religious liberty" found in our Constitution. This does not mean that those concepts are not embodied in our Constitution. The words "wall of separation between church and state" are the words of Thomas Jefferson.
The First Amendment to the Constitution reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [government neutrality toward religion], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof [religious freedom]." The 14th Amendment extended this requirement beyond the Federal government to all the state governments.
In Reynolds v. United States (1878), the Supreme Court stated, "In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between church and state.'" This was further emphasized in Everson v. Board of Education (1947), as expressed in the opinion for the majority written by Associate Justice Hugo Black. He wrote, "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."
In Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), the Court established a three-prong test to determine if a governmental action is neutral toward religion. First, government institutions or legislation must have a secular purpose; second, the primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; and third, there must not be an excessive government entanglement with religion. This principle was further clarified by Associate Justice Sandra Day O'Connor in Lynch v. Donnelly (1984). She said, "What is crucial is that a governmental practice not have the effect of communicating a message of government endorsement or disapproval of religion."
The Supreme Court decisions provide an explanation of the rights and responsibilities granted by our Constitution. "Separation of church and state" is a constitutional principle that has been embraced by Supreme Court jurisprudence for more than one hundred years.
Those who insist upon denying the constitutional principle of "separation of church and state" are engaging in revisionist history. "Separation of church and state" is the prerequisite for religious and political liberty.
Europe way ahead of you...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6165368.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3474673.stm
BTW - I dislike religion, I think it does more harm than good, but people should still be allowed their little symbols if they want them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6165368.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3474673.stm
BTW - I dislike religion, I think it does more harm than good, but people should still be allowed their little symbols if they want them.
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