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[judasmachine]

If you feel bad for the condemned, then congratulations YOU ARE HUMAN! You have a heart, and it's in the right place.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
If you feel bad for the condemned, then congratulations YOU ARE HUMAN! You have a heart, and it's in the right place.

oh no he's a killer who never felt bad for those he killed, HE'S NOT HUMAN! He has no heart...can you see how whether or not a person feels for another makes a person human or not doesn't really work?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: judasmachine
If you feel bad for the condemned, then congratulations YOU ARE HUMAN! You have a heart, and it's in the right place.

oh no he's a killer who never felt bad for those he killed, HE'S NOT HUMAN! He has no heart...can you see how whether or not a person feels for another makes a person human or not doesn't really work?

I think we just misunderstood each other. I could be wrong, I don't know.
I just meant those who are killed (by the state or the individual) are still people, and feeling bad at their death is human, it's natural. Regardless of what that person did or didn't do in life. One loss diminishes us all.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes its true that the three reasons you stated all have holes in them. Especially the one about executing criminals will deter future criminals from committing serious crimes. Thats bull to me. As you require 100% certainty that they did whatever the gov. claims they did, I only require a 100% certainty that they would never commit multiple murders again. Which is done by execution.
Which is why I feel that execution should be be legal punishment for serial killers and should be kept. If a person kills one person in a fit of rage and gets life, i'm fine with that. He will have the rest of his life to mull over his crime. He might also be rehabilitated, theres a chance there. But if you lock up a serial killer for the rest of his life, is there any chance he would ever regret his killings? I don't think so, I think when you killed so many people, you've already gone past the point of caring. I don't think its ever possible to rehabilitate a serial killer.

Preventing murders is done equally well by locking them up for life. The death penalty costs more money than life in prison, so even if you don't give a rat's about the person, look at it from a financial standpoint.

its true that the costs of death penalty trials are higher and last longer. Also death penalty reviews and in some states the mandatory appeal to a state's Supreme Court also weigh in on the final cost of the death sentence which put it over everything else. You get what you pay for. In life imprisonment you still have the possibility that a killer could kill an immate or a prison guard. In executions, the convicted will never kill again.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: judasmachine
If you feel bad for the condemned, then congratulations YOU ARE HUMAN! You have a heart, and it's in the right place.

oh no he's a killer who never felt bad for those he killed, HE'S NOT HUMAN! He has no heart...can you see how whether or not a person feels for another makes a person human or not doesn't really work?

I think we just misunderstood each other. I could be wrong, I don't know.
I just meant those who are killed (by the state or the individual) are still people, and feeling bad at their death is human, it's natural. Regardless of what that person did or didn't do in life. One loss diminishes us all.

I see, I misunderstood what you were saying.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
its true that the costs of death penalty trials are higher and last longer. Also death penalty reviews and in some states the mandatory appeal to a state's Supreme Court also weigh in on the final cost of the death sentence which put it over everything else. You get what you pay for. In life imprisonment you still have the possibility that a killer could kill an immate or a prison guard. In executions, the convicted will never kill again.

There's a chance that anything could happen. I'm not about to go kill some random guy because he might be a serial killer and kill my whole family. Murder in prison as justification for capital punishment is quite a stretch, you have to admit.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: maddogchen
its true that the costs of death penalty trials are higher and last longer. Also death penalty reviews and in some states the mandatory appeal to a state's Supreme Court also weigh in on the final cost of the death sentence which put it over everything else. You get what you pay for. In life imprisonment you still have the possibility that a killer could kill an immate or a prison guard. In executions, the convicted will never kill again.

There's a chance that anything could happen. I'm not about to go kill some random guy because he might be a serial killer and kill my whole family. Murder in prison as justification for capital punishment is quite a stretch, you have to admit.

why is it quite a stretch? From my view, you have enough evidence that he's a serial killer, you've proven in several courts (because of appeals) that he's a murderer. You knew what you had in the first place, a killer, yet instead of executing him, you imprison him for life and he's able to kill again. You had the power to do something but you didn't and now that he's killed another immate or worse a prison guard, now you share some of the blame for it. Why would you, as in the state, have some blame for it? Just like how the US and the UN shared the blame for what happened in Rwanda, they had the power to stop it but didn't.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
why is it quite a stretch? From my view, you have enough evidence that he's a serial killer, you've proven in several courts (because of appeals) that he's a murderer. You knew what you had in the first place, a killer, yet instead of executing him, you imprison him for life and he's able to kill again. You had the power to do something but you didn't and now that he's killed another immate or worse a prison guard, now you share some of the blame for it. Why would you, as in the state, have some blame for it? Just like how the US and the UN shared the blame for what happened in Rwanda, they had the power to stop it but didn't.

Can you find any cases of this actually occurring? I have never heard of a serial killer killing anyone while in prison - it's not how serial killers kill people. They are (at least the vast majority of them) extremely eccentric and targeting. Prison is hardly a place for them to find weak victims and such. I'd bet that someone in jail for armed robbery is more likely to kill another inmate or guard than a serial killer.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: maddogchen
why is it quite a stretch? From my view, you have enough evidence that he's a serial killer, you've proven in several courts (because of appeals) that he's a murderer. You knew what you had in the first place, a killer, yet instead of executing him, you imprison him for life and he's able to kill again. You had the power to do something but you didn't and now that he's killed another immate or worse a prison guard, now you share some of the blame for it. Why would you, as in the state, have some blame for it? Just like how the US and the UN shared the blame for what happened in Rwanda, they had the power to stop it but didn't.

Can you find any cases of this actually occurring? I have never heard of a serial killer killing anyone while in prison - it's not how serial killers kill people. They are (at least the vast majority of them) extremely eccentric and targeting. Prison is hardly a place for them to find weak victims and such. I'd bet that someone in jail for armed robbery is more likely to kill another inmate or guard than a serial killer.

yes it doesn't happen that much. Searching for serial killers on the web brings you to some really morbid websites.

#4 PEE WEE GASKINS- 100+ murders
Place: American South Date: 1960s Victims: Indiscriminate
Dubbed America's meanest serial killer, Pee Wee traced his history of violence back to watching a cobra eat a live rat at a carnival. He spent most of his childhood getting into trouble, and because of his small stature was frequently abused in prison. He snapped and killed a notorious murderer while the man was taking a dump, making him a legend. Released in 1969, he began to carry out two varieties of killings while making money from fencing stolen cars. His 'coastal kills' were people he picked up driving around the Deep South and murdered for pleasure, while his 'serious murders' were people he knew and disliked. He claimed to have killed over 200 people. After killing another inmate in a maximum security jail, Pee Wee was fried on 6 sept 1991. His autobiography, the strangely lyical Final Truth, was published posthumously.

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[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i think it's because i can see the humanity in the most vile of human beings

Nonsense. We need to bring back Old Sparky. None of this "sanitized lethal-injection" crap. In fact any of the following are acceptable: firing line, hanging, beheading. K.I.S.S.

Screw that what about boiling them in oil? Or burning them at the stake? Remember those good ol days???

Yeah, I feel bad too. But, I really feel bad about some of these idiots spend 10-15 years on death row. Some of them die before they even make it... It takes too long.

I think we should be removing fingers for stealing. 3rd time you lose a pinky on the right hand... 3rd time you flick that friggen cig out the window you lose a pinky on the left hand...

You'd see theft and littering come to a stop pretty damn quick if we forced these kind of things. Hell, if you do it the second time it's public canning time! Yeah! Whooo! We are WAY ....WAY tooo soft....

Didn't we condemn Saddam and Saudi Arabia for punishing people by chopping off hands, breaking arms, slicing tongues off, whipping them???