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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I think it's okay to feel bad for them. It's hard to imagine how tortured their souls must have been.

I don't feel bad that they were executed. I think that they got what they deserved.

Hopefully, they cried out to their maker before they met their demise.
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How can I, someone who has made his fair of mistakes and then some, accurately prescribe what someone truly deserves? If you see fit to have them killed in cold blood, how does that make you any better than what they were in a moment of rage? I cannot logically support the death penalty, because I know that people make mistakes. That applies to criminals, judges, and jurors. I am certainly in no position to cast the first stone, especially when that stone would be fatal.
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Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
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How is killing him granting anyone justice? Is he going to continue his killing spree in jail? How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
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How is killing him granting anyone justice? Is he going to continue his killing spree in jail? How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
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Killing him grants justice to society and those who loved his victims. Do you think he won't kill in jail, do you think jails are not a violent environment? It would proof beyond a reasonable doubt backed by evidence and expert testimony that would prove he is truly guilty and therefore elgibile for this punishment. His execution would be carried out inside the scope of the law, not a crime directed at an unsuspecting and innocent victim.
 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I don't know what the think or believe about things like this.
If someone killed someone I know and loved, would I want this man/woman to die? Yes. For a time. Would it make any difference what so ever? No.
It won't change the world. Will it bring that person back? No.
Why does any reaction to this action matter if you can never have this person back? Why can't you have this person back? Where are they? Why does it hurt to lose someone? Why can't you change things?
The human mind is a very complicated thing. Conflicting thoughts and feeling. With that comes problems.

You know what this man did, and what he would do again, but you still feel sad. Because deep down you know that he/she was a victim of circumstance.
But you can't walk into the future backwards. There is no right or wrong way to feel because there is no universal right or wrong.
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But there is healthy and self loving and ill and self hating and there imust be all the difference in the world in the way that that feels.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
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How is killing him granting anyone justice? Is he going to continue his killing spree in jail? How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
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Is killing him granting anyone justice?
Ask the families of the victims. Some say yes, some say no.

Yes, He can certainly continue his killing spree in jail. It happens.

How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? Nothing is 100% certain in life. A single electron can become positive for a split second in time before the universe rights itself. So we have a system set up that is not perfect but nothing is. It needs to be tweaked and improved just like every system we have in place. Thats life. nothing is 100% certain.

How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
We are all humans and equal, I'm no better than you and no better than a killer, I'm just as willing to kill someone in order to protect my family if threatened by a killer as I am sure you would be. These killers are not monsters but human beings, and we shouldn't think we are above them, too above to degrade ourselves to their level because we are all at the same level.
But these people broke the law, laws that are agreed by the leaders that the majority of us have chosen. The punishment is set as death or life imprisonment. That is our system, that is our society, thats how we agree to live by staying in the US.

So now answer the hidden question in my first reply. Using your reasonings, explain why we should lock up anybody for any crimes? After all they are just making mistakes, and everyone makes mistakes. How are the judges and the jurors in any position to lock up someone for a mistake when they've all have done mistakes in their lives?
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
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How is killing him granting anyone justice? Is he going to continue his killing spree in jail? How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
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Killing him grants justice to society and those who loved his victims. Do you think he won't kill in jail, do you think jails are not a violent environment? It would proof beyond a reasonable doubt backed by evidence and expert testimony that would prove he is truly guilty and therefore elgibile for this punishment. His execution would be carried out inside the scope of the law, not a crime directed at an unsuspecting and innocent victim.
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Justice is a perception. Revenge is reality.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, I'm a serial killer, I made 47 mistakes. Let me free so I can live my life and try not to make any of those mistakes again. You've all made mistakes, you judges and jurors. Why am I the only one in this room being locked up for mine? Let ye without sin turn the key on my lock.
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How is killing him granting anyone justice? Is he going to continue his killing spree in jail? How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
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Is killing him granting anyone justice?
Ask the families of the victims. Some say yes, some say no.

Yes, He can certainly continue his killing spree in jail. It happens.

How can you be so sure that he is truly guilty that you would take his life for his alleged actions? Nothing is 100% certain in life. A single electron can become positive for a split second in time before the universe rights itself. So we have a system set up that is not perfect but nothing is. It needs to be tweaked and improved just like every system we have in place. Thats life. nothing is 100% certain.

How are you any better than him when you're just as willing to kill as he is?
We are all humans and equal, I'm no better than you and no better than a killer, I'm just as willing to kill someone in order to protect my family if threatened by a killer as I am sure you would be. These killers are not monsters but human beings, and we shouldn't think we are above them, too above to degrade ourselves to their level because we are all at the same level.
But these people broke the law, laws that are agreed by the leaders that the majority of us have chosen. The punishment is set as death or life imprisonment. That is our system, that is our society, thats how we agree to live by staying in the US.

So now answer the hidden question in my first reply. Using your reasonings, explain why we should lock up anybody for any crimes? After all they are just making mistakes, and everyone makes mistakes. How are the judges and the jurors in any position to lock up someone for a mistake when they've all have done mistakes in their lives?
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an electron can't become positive! 😉 😛
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Killing him grants justice to society and those who loved his victims. Do you think he won't kill in jail, do you think jails are not a violent environment? It would proof beyond a reasonable doubt backed by evidence and expert testimony that would prove he is truly guilty and therefore elgibile for this punishment. His execution would be carried out inside the scope of the law, not a crime directed at an unsuspecting and innocent victim.
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How is justice ever served by killing? How does one more person dying give justice to anyone's family? If it does, how is that family any better than the one being executed? Our government cannot pretend that it can mete out retribution for crimes, nor should its subjects desire it to do so. Retribution is not justice, nor can capital punishment be claimed as true retribution.
Originally posted by: maddogchen
We are all humans and equal, I'm no better than you and no better than a killer, I'm just as willing to kill someone in order to protect my family if threatened by a killer as I am sure you would be. These killers are not monsters but human beings, and we shouldn't think we are above them, too above to degrade ourselves to their level because we are all at the same level.

But these people broke the law, laws that are agreed by the leaders that the majority of us have chosen. The punishment is set as death or life imprisonment. That is our system, that is our society, thats how we agree to live by staying in the US.
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Sure, that's the law of the land. However, if I find the law of the land to stand in contradiction to reason, I am obligated, as a citizen interested in justice for all, to try to change it.
So now answer the hidden question in my first reply. Using your reasonings, explain why we should lock up anybody for any crimes? After all they are just making mistakes, and everyone makes mistakes. How are the judges and the jurors in any position to lock up someone for a mistake when they've all have done mistakes in their lives?
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There is a great discontinuity between imprisonment and execution. If you would deprive anyone to their inalienable right to life, I require 100% certainty that they did whatever you claim that they did. I would further require that you somehow demonstrate that whatever crime they committed would somehow be rectified by their execution, that their execution would deter future criminals from committing the same act, or that the criminal somehow be 'rehabilitated' by his exection, as these are the three just reasons for punishment. Studies have shown definitively that capital punishment has no effect on relevant crime rates, so it's clearly not deterring anyone. Obviously, he who is executed is not rehabilitated. Finally, no crime can be made right by executing the perpetrator. It might make someone feel better, but that doesn't mean it's just.

In short, wrongful imprisonment is a terrible thing, but wrongful execution is even worse.
 
Personally, i don't really feel to bad for them. Heck, I would MUCH RATHER be killed with an easy and painless death than to sit in a dark cell knowing I will never get a chance to be free again.

I would say the death penalty, in my eyes, is an easier punishment that life in prison without the possibility of parole.
 
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
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why don't you follow jesus' teachings?
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
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why don't you follow jesus' teachings?
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Jesus' teachings was far from letting rapists, murders, and thieves roam around and continue in their set ways....
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
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why don't you follow jesus' teachings?
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Jesus' teachings was far from letting rapists, murders, and thieves roam around and continue in their set ways....
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correct, which is why i said life in jail for first degree murderers

jesus was also FAR from executing ANY sinners, including murderers
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
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why don't you follow jesus' teachings?
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Jesus' teachings was far from letting rapists, murders, and thieves roam around and continue in their set ways....
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correct, which is why i said life in jail for first degree murderers

jesus was also FAR from executing ANY sinners, including murderers
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Sodom & Gamora? There were several places in the bible where Jesus instructed people to protect themselves, and a lot of the time that was meant by purposely killing their opponent, a good example is David and Goliath.

Also, my sig is a bit old, but still true.
 
I dont think they should get shit.........

One 9mm round in the head will save billions of tax money used to house and feed them.......
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Wow, by the responses here it looks like the same people attend "John Kerry Group Therapy" meetings. It's called "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Murderers, rapists, serial grand theft offenders, etc. deserve death. Quit feeling sorry for them and think about their victims for once. Can we judge others? Yes. Can we put them to death? Yes. I'm very pleased that our president was governor of the state with the most executions. Justice is served.
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A say "a tooth for a tooth", How is death for Grand Theft Auto "tooth for tooth"? What if the rest of the world decided to place "tooth for a tooth" with the US, and your wackjob presidency? I bet you'd be the first in the line of excusers.
 
OK...so its wrong to kill...taking a life is wrong

what about killing someone who cant fight back? Like an unborn child? I guess thats OK...right?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard

There is a great discontinuity between imprisonment and execution. If you would deprive anyone to their inalienable right to life, I require 100% certainty that they did whatever you claim that they did. I would further require that you somehow demonstrate that whatever crime they committed would somehow be rectified by their execution, that their execution would deter future criminals from committing the same act, or that the criminal somehow be 'rehabilitated' by his exection, as these are the three just reasons for punishment. Studies have shown definitively that capital punishment has no effect on relevant crime rates, so it's clearly not deterring anyone. Obviously, he who is executed is not rehabilitated. Finally, no crime can be made right by executing the perpetrator. It might make someone feel better, but that doesn't mean it's just.

In short, wrongful imprisonment is a terrible thing, but wrongful execution is even worse.
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Yes its true that the three reasons you stated all have holes in them. Especially the one about executing criminals will deter future criminals from committing serious crimes. Thats bull to me. As you require 100% certainty that they did whatever the gov. claims they did, I only require a 100% certainty that they would never commit multiple murders again. Which is done by execution.
Which is why I feel that execution should be be legal punishment for serial killers and should be kept. If a person kills one person in a fit of rage and gets life, i'm fine with that. He will have the rest of his life to mull over his crime. He might also be rehabilitated, theres a chance there. But if you lock up a serial killer for the rest of his life, is there any chance he would ever regret his killings? I don't think so, I think when you killed so many people, you've already gone past the point of caring. I don't think its ever possible to rehabilitate a serial killer.
 
Originally posted by: breweyez
OK...so its wrong to kill...taking a life is wrong

what about killing someone who cant fight back? Like an unborn child? I guess thats OK...right?
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unborn child no, unborn embryo yes
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes its true that the three reasons you stated all have holes in them. Especially the one about executing criminals will deter future criminals from committing serious crimes. Thats bull to me. As you require 100% certainty that they did whatever the gov. claims they did, I only require a 100% certainty that they would never commit multiple murders again. Which is done by execution.
Which is why I feel that execution should be be legal punishment for serial killers and should be kept. If a person kills one person in a fit of rage and gets life, i'm fine with that. He will have the rest of his life to mull over his crime. He might also be rehabilitated, theres a chance there. But if you lock up a serial killer for the rest of his life, is there any chance he would ever regret his killings? I don't think so, I think when you killed so many people, you've already gone past the point of caring. I don't think its ever possible to rehabilitate a serial killer.
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Preventing murders is done equally well by locking them up for life. The death penalty costs more money than life in prison, so even if you don't give a rat's about the person, look at it from a financial standpoint.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i think it's because i can see the humanity in the most vile of human beings
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Nonsense. We need to bring back Old Sparky. None of this "sanitized lethal-injection" crap. In fact any of the following are acceptable: firing line, hanging, beheading. K.I.S.S.
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Screw that what about boiling them in oil? Or burning them at the stake? Remember those good ol days???

Yeah, I feel bad too. But, I really feel bad about some of these idiots spend 10-15 years on death row. Some of them die before they even make it... It takes too long.

I think we should be removing fingers for stealing. 3rd time you lose a pinky on the right hand... 3rd time you flick that friggen cig out the window you lose a pinky on the left hand...

You'd see theft and littering come to a stop pretty damn quick if we forced these kind of things. Hell, if you do it the second time it's public canning time! Yeah! Whooo! We are WAY ....WAY tooo soft....



 
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i think it's because i can see the humanity in the most vile of human beings
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Nonsense. We need to bring back Old Sparky. None of this "sanitized lethal-injection" crap. In fact any of the following are acceptable: firing line, hanging, beheading. K.I.S.S.
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Screw that what about boiling them in oil? Or burning them at the stake? Remember those good ol days???

Yeah, I feel bad too. But, I really feel bad about some of these idiots spend 10-15 years on death row. Some of them die before they even make it... It takes too long.

I think we should be removing fingers for stealing. 3rd time you lose a pinky on the right hand... 3rd time you flick that friggen cig out the window you lose a pinky on the left hand...

You'd see theft and littering come to a stop pretty damn quick if we forced these kind of things. Hell, if you do it the second time it's public canning time! Yeah! Whooo! We are WAY ....WAY tooo soft....
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<Sam Kinison voice>
I like the way you think
</Sam Kinison voice>
3rd time you flick that friggen cig out the window you lose a pinky on the left hand
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your damn right...no more roadside cleanup
 
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