Is there even a *POINT* to Watercooling?

[willfreund]

Its called you spend alot of money on something.
I dont see why having 40C underload with a OC winny is good, I mean its gona crap out sooner or later. And to disbelief I couldnt overclock any higher even with more voltage to 1.6.
I think watercooling is adead technology, air is where its at, even if its cooled air, with water evaporation tech

 

[Idleuser]

hahaha remember watercooling isnt just cooling the cpu... I can assure you, that you can never acheive lower temps with your arctic sliencer than my gpu waterblock... 39 on idle and only 45C on load... try running your 6800GT on full blast let see if it hoovers over around 65C +. I also dont need to worrya bout dust collecting as much and not to mention more quiet... when you guys say you're acheive xx temps on idle and xx temps on load the problem is most of you guys are reading these temps like they are accurate off a monitor software but they're not remotely even accurate... so you before you guys can say you're getting xxx temps you should try getting more accurate equipment rather than just a software.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HeaterCore
Here we go again. Stock answers at the ready:

For about $200-250 you can assemble a top-notch watercooling system that will be easily expandable and adaptable. For that price, which will largely carry over into future systems, you get cooling an order of magnitude better than with a traditional HSF as well as blessed silence, if that's your thing. Either alone is sweet; the combination is better. I pity the folks with their Deltas screaming away.

The performance improvement depends largely on the platform. I'm running a Barton at 2500MHz, when my max on air was 2300. Not a huge difference there, sure, but you couldn't buy a Barton with this sort of performance, and to get anywhere near this on air (this side of a mobile chip) you'd go half deaf. A Prescott-based system can see huge performance leaps from watercooling; A64s tend to see less benefit, especially the 90nm chips, because they often reach the limits of their process before heat becomes the overriding factor.

And then, of course, there's the bling factor. It's just cool, a good conversation piece if nothing else. (My fiance took one look at my rig and said I must've been reading my "cool meter" upside down....) Look, some folks rice out their Civics, some build serious home theater setups. And some of us put highly conductive liquids inside running computers. Hell, you already enjoy tinkering with your PC enough to log onto these forums; why not go that extra step? Or don't. Whatever. To each his own, eh?

-HC-

LOL, well *that* is a great answer. All in all, I think I'll stick with air. I'm not worried about noise or milking the last bit of OC out of the box. My case has *very* nice insulation and I can barely hear the pair of 120mm's or the 5 80mm's that cool this crazy beast as it is.

On the bright side, though, thanks to the posts folks have made here, I at *least* have a bit better of understanding as to why you guys like to do it!

Jason

How the F do you have 3K posts and STILL not know the answer to that question?

1. Too many FS/T posts

2. WAY too many responses to FS/T posts

3. The hell that is P&N

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it.

Jason

I don't understand your hostility. No one is forcing you to buy into water. Moreover, why does it bother you so much what other people spend their money on? For the rest of you guys, why are you wasting your time trying to explain ANYTHING to this guy? Do you really expect your justifications for using water to make any difference to him?

Um, sorry if I came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. I was just curious is all

Jason

Yet that's just how you're coming off, and you're still being hostile. As an enthusiast and systems engineer you should understand that no one is obliged to justify anything to you. Especially if you assume the posture of knowing what other people should spend their money. If water is too expensive or otherwise superfluous to you, then don't buy it. But don't assume that there are people here who NEED to be told where the bear sits.

You know what? I didn't ASSUME a damned thing, and my last post most certainly was NOT hostile, much unlike YOURS. I asked a simple question, so why don't you get the f*ck off my back before I really DO get hostile?

Jeez, man, switch to freakin' DECAF!

Jason

 

[Mrvile]

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[Emultra]

Cool down, shill, people, whether you use water or air.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it.

Jason

I don't understand your hostility. No one is forcing you to buy into water. Moreover, why does it bother you so much what other people spend their money on? For the rest of you guys, why are you wasting your time trying to explain ANYTHING to this guy? Do you really expect your justifications for using water to make any difference to him?

Um, sorry if I came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. I was just curious is all

Jason

Yet that's just how you're coming off, and you're still being hostile. As an enthusiast and systems engineer you should understand that no one is obliged to justify anything to you. Especially if you assume the posture of knowing what other people should spend their money. If water is too expensive or otherwise superfluous to you, then don't buy it. But don't assume that there are people here who NEED to be told where the bear sits.

You know what? I didn't ASSUME a damned thing, and my last post most certainly was NOT hostile, much unlike YOURS. I asked a simple question, so why don't you get the f*ck off my back before I really DO get hostile?

Jeez, man, switch to freakin' DECAF!

Jason

You walked in acting like an ass and trying to judge. Why is it that when I couldn't care less what you use and don't give a sh1t WHY you use it? You should grow up and see the light.

Get REALLY hostile, you brain-dead chimp. It can't be any worse than the BS you've vomited into this thread so far.

"As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it."

You're a flame-baiting troll, and pretty worthless yourself. Get a real job and fewer things will seem so expensive to you.

 

[flexy]

i just spent $520 on a freakin' videocard.

as it looks you can get a decent (?) WC kit for $120....so how's that expensive ?

I agree with the other guy tho...if i were to go WC than only in combination w/ a GPU block and cool the whole mama and not only the CPU....ESPECIALLY the recent highend GPUs need some serious cooling....ever seen your temps for a X850XT etc. go up to 98degrees ? I did with my first card. I just read a similiar thread of another guy who had the same insane temps on his card.

And..btw. ever tried to run the fan for the X850XT at...say, 50% ? Whow...not deaf yet ? What about 65% ? Whatabout 80% ? YEs....fasten your seatbelts we have lift off....approaching 90%.....house shaking....ears hurting....

And then there are peole who see WC as a bizarre solution ? I rather see a videocard bizarre which reaches almost 100C (Celsius !) GPU with a fan which is as loud as a hairdryer ! THATS bizarre and pointless.

 

[Emultra]

LoL, 90 degrees...when it reaches 100, better just let it boil your morning eggs for your. Saves energy.

I've never even seen it in real life, but I think watercooling seems pretty cool. Especially with a mini fridge to put the pump in.

 

[WA261]

You water cool so you can get your Vid card cranked as far as mine, as for your cpu....Phasechange is your best buddy

Kits are not exp to build at all. Like my stuff...I sell 2x120mm rads for 34.99 and single 120mm rads for 29.99. You just have to look around.

 

[doinmybestatlast]

As for myself one of the reasons I am switching to watercooling is to save money! Every time I upgrade I buy the latest and greatest air cooler. These massive copper cores are expensive! I figure after four ugrades I will break even. This last incarnation, the Silent Tower" is not silent! After overclocking I find the 2 fans a bit loud. This next upgrade I want something quieter, lighter (?!) and have a better overclock. $200 is not much to spend on your hobby.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it.

Jason

I don't understand your hostility. No one is forcing you to buy into water. Moreover, why does it bother you so much what other people spend their money on? For the rest of you guys, why are you wasting your time trying to explain ANYTHING to this guy? Do you really expect your justifications for using water to make any difference to him?

Um, sorry if I came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. I was just curious is all

Jason

Yet that's just how you're coming off, and you're still being hostile. As an enthusiast and systems engineer you should understand that no one is obliged to justify anything to you. Especially if you assume the posture of knowing what other people should spend their money. If water is too expensive or otherwise superfluous to you, then don't buy it. But don't assume that there are people here who NEED to be told where the bear sits.

You know what? I didn't ASSUME a damned thing, and my last post most certainly was NOT hostile, much unlike YOURS. I asked a simple question, so why don't you get the f*ck off my back before I really DO get hostile?

Jeez, man, switch to freakin' DECAF!

Jason

You walked in acting like an ass and trying to judge. Why is it that when I couldn't care less what you use and don't give a sh1t WHY you use it? You should grow up and see the light.

Get REALLY hostile, you brain-dead chimp. It can't be any worse than the BS you've vomited into this thread so far.

"As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it."

You're a flame-baiting troll, and pretty worthless yourself. Get a real job and fewer things will seem so expensive to you.

No, I walked in and asked a QUESTION and YOU come off trolling for trouble. If you don't like the question, FINE, piss off. I think my question was completely legitimate and if you really wanted to "defend" your position (which wasn't being attacked in the first place) you could have done so without illustrating what an ASSHAT you can be.

As for having a real job, I've *had* a real job since I was 19 years old which I'll damn sure bet is more than you can say. I didn't once say or imply that I couldn't* afford* to buy watercooling, but that the benefits didn't seem to justify the price. And if putting up with jackasses like you is one of the downsides then it *definitely* isn't work it.

/THREAD

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: flexy
i just spent $520 on a freakin' videocard.

as it looks you can get a decent (?) WC kit for $120....so how's that expensive ?

I agree with the other guy tho...if i were to go WC than only in combination w/ a GPU block and cool the whole mama and not only the CPU....ESPECIALLY the recent highend GPUs need some serious cooling....ever seen your temps for a X850XT etc. go up to 98degrees ? I did with my first card. I just read a similiar thread of another guy who had the same insane temps on his card.

And..btw. ever tried to run the fan for the X850XT at...say, 50% ? Whow...not deaf yet ? What about 65% ? Whatabout 80% ? YEs....fasten your seatbelts we have lift off....approaching 90%.....house shaking....ears hurting....

And then there are peole who see WC as a bizarre solution ? I rather see a videocard bizarre which reaches almost 100C (Celsius !) GPU with a fan which is as loud as a hairdryer ! THATS bizarre and pointless.

$120 for Watercooling vs. about $40 for a good copper cooler with a nice fan = expensive. For that matter, $520 on a video card seems like overkill to me. Fine for you if that's what you want to do, and I'm not criticizing your choice to do it, but it ain't everyone's cup of tea. For probably the vast majority of us a nice $200-300 card will perform *very* nicely in everything currently available. By the same note, so will a good air cooler for most people. Again, just for the stress of it, I'm not judging or criticizing, just asking questions, stating opinions, and I hope you'll be more decent of a fellow than mr. "I wanna bite off someone's head today" is.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: doinmybestatlast
As for myself one of the reasons I am switching to watercooling is to save money! Every time I upgrade I buy the latest and greatest air cooler. These massive copper cores are expensive! I figure after four ugrades I will break even. This last incarnation, the Silent Tower" is not silent! After overclocking I find the 2 fans a bit loud. This next upgrade I want something quieter, lighter (?!) and have a better overclock. $200 is not much to spend on your hobby.

true, and I probably spend that much on *games* in any given month

Jason

 

[HardWarrior]

Wanker.

Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it.

This isn't a question, it's an indictment. Like I said, you made up what little mind you have before you even posted. This fact makes YOU a troll, either looking to down something you obviously know nothing about, attempting to show how smart you are (you failed miserably) or you just wanted the attention that real life doesn't offer you. Like doinmybestatlast told you, which you should have been able to figure out before you started this ignorant thread, water-cooling is a hobby within a hobby, with benefits all its own. If you're too stupid to understand this it's your problem and you should keep you dumb, inflammatory opinions to yourself.

?/THREAD?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: flexy
i just spent $520 on a freakin' videocard.

as it looks you can get a decent (?) WC kit for $120....so how's that expensive ?

I agree with the other guy tho...if i were to go WC than only in combination w/ a GPU block and cool the whole mama and not only the CPU....ESPECIALLY the recent highend GPUs need some serious cooling....ever seen your temps for a X850XT etc. go up to 98degrees ? I did with my first card. I just read a similiar thread of another guy who had the same insane temps on his card.

And..btw. ever tried to run the fan for the X850XT at...say, 50% ? Whow...not deaf yet ? What about 65% ? Whatabout 80% ? YEs....fasten your seatbelts we have lift off....approaching 90%.....house shaking....ears hurting....

And then there are peole who see WC as a bizarre solution ? I rather see a videocard bizarre which reaches almost 100C (Celsius !) GPU with a fan which is as loud as a hairdryer ! THATS bizarre and pointless.

$120 for Watercooling vs. about $40 for a good copper cooler with a nice fan = expensive. For that matter, $520 on a video card seems like overkill to me. Fine for you if that's what you want to do, and I'm not criticizing your choice to do it, but it ain't everyone's cup of tea. For probably the vast majority of us a nice $200-300 card will perform *very* nicely in everything currently available. By the same note, so will a good air cooler for most people. Again, just for the stress of it, I'm not judging or criticizing, just asking questions, stating opinions, and I hope you'll be more decent of a fellow than mr. "I wanna bite off someone's head today" is.

Jason

Empty-headed BS. Do you know ANYTHING about the principle of minding your own business?

 

[imported_Mitchell]

"Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it."

You can't get a faster CPU then mine, so I purchased watercooling to speed it up even faster.

If you still don't understand then think of it like this. People pay for hobbies, watercooling is a hobbiest affair.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Mitchell
"Keep seeing this watercooling kits people are selling, and they are SO expensive that by the time you've bought the goods to set the damn thing up you could have just *bought* the doozahurtz processor you've managed to OC to anyway. What in the hell is the point of this? As far as I can tell it appears to be a worthless technology, primarily because it's just WAY too expensive for what you really get out of it."

You can't get a faster CPU then mine, so I purchased watercooling to speed it up even faster.

If you still don't understand then think of it like this. People pay for hobbies, watercooling is a hobbiest affair.

Hey, I *got* that As I said before, I wanted some info, I asked a question. Seemed all fine and good until Mr. ASSHAT above decided to get his teeny-tiny little grapes in a bunch.

In any case, thank you very much to the NICE folks who've contributed a lot of USEFUL and valuable information to this topic. I appreciate it a lot, and wish you all the best in pursuing the hobby you enjoy. I'll leave this thread to AssHat above, whom I am *quite* sure won't be able to resist his egotistical desire to post just *one* more time.

To everyone else, take it easy

Jason

 

[HardWarrior]

You're a fool. If all you wanted was info you should have asked like an adult, not a stuck-up head-case/know-it-all.

 

[skyking]

I went the cheap route, and got castoffs from the hard core enthusiasts. My kit was 70$, and what I got out if it can be summed up in one word. Quiet.
I am only pushing my mobile barton/nforce2 combo to 2400Mhz, and I also water cool my 9700 Pro. Now my power supply is too noisy, and the hard drive is beggining to bug me

 

[frank84]

Originally posted by: Mrvile
Building computers is a hobby. I don't build a computer JUST so I can play CS or HL2 on awesome settings. Sure, it's a nice side effect, but I build mainly for the fun, the knowledge, and experience. It's just like any other hobby, you can't really ever "be done" with it. Maybe for you, you build to use. We enthusiasts build for fun.

same here...

and yes, very expensive hobby.