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Is there an invisible hand that guides everything?

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Narmer

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I was just reading the parasite thread and started thinking about the pineworm. It's only means of survival is if it comes out of your rectum, make you scratch your ass and eventually put your hand in your mouth or nose or whatever. What I want to know is, how does it know to do that? How/when did it become ingrained in its DNA that if it does A, B will happen? I don't think parasites can think so it must be by some design. Also, I saw a dog taking a shit today. After it was done, it started smelling a small tree. Then, by design, it started putting dirt on the shit. However, it was doing it in the wrong direction since it had moved to smell the tree. I don't think the dog was thinking about this either.
Third, the guinea worm. It secretes something so that the person gets a burning feeling and seeks water. That allows the worm to get out of the body and into a body of water. Again, I don't think the worm is thinking this through completely. There must be some other actor. Also, how do these habit get ingrained into DNA? I doubt that they are 'taught' by peers. Anyone else ever think about this?
 
The worms that stuck their head out reproduced. The ones that didn't failed. So now we have worms that stick out of people's asses.
 
yes, because your brain is too small to comprehend the complexity that arises out of simple principles, there must be an invisible hand.

please don't procreate
 
Taejin said:
yes, because your brain is too small to comprehend the complexity that arises out of simple principles, there must be an invisible hand.

please don't procreate
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So, could you tell me what these 'simple principles' are?
 
Taejin said:
yes, because your brain is too small to comprehend the complexity that arises out of simple principles, there must be an invisible hand.

please don't procreate
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Fine. But where do they get all the little people inside my TV, Mr. Smartypants? There must a secret island where they breed them or something...
 
Narmer said:
So, could you tell me what these 'simple principles' are?
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you can have complexity arising out of simple principles. One example 'invisible-handers' always trot out is the eye, but there is a distinct set of simple to complex eyes that have been discovered over time. the simple principles in essence, would just be called evolution. events are random, and traits are self selected based upon any quality that allows them to self-propagate

simply because you yourself cannot understand how something can come about, does not mean there is a magical hand guiding everything.

i dont understand how the CPU in my computer came to exist, and its too complex for me to understand, but i dont attribute it to some magical hand. do you?
 
Taejin said:
you can have complexity arising out of simple principles. One example 'invisible-handers' always trot out is the eye, but there is a distinct set of simple to complex eyes that have been discovered over time. the simple principles in essence, would just be called evolution. events are random, and traits are self selected based upon any quality that allows them to self-propagate

simply because you yourself cannot understand how something can come about, does not mean there is a magical hand guiding everything.

i dont understand how the CPU in my computer came to exist, and its too complex for me to understand, but i dont attribute it to some magical hand. do you?
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That's the thing I'm trying to understand. How exactly does self-selection work? Not every living creature has parents to teach them what works best so it must be transferred in the genetic code. Is there a known process to this or do we just assume that all natural actions, whether physical like radiation on the epidermus or knowing which creatures are predator or prey, gets ingrained in our DNA?

Living creatures hone their skills over time and this is impossible if they have to start-over everytime they're born.
 
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Yes, the invisible hand guides the tapeworms from your ass to your mouth in the middle of the night while you sleep.
 
His Noodly Appendage touches us all, ramen.

If you roll a die 10,000 times and record the results, that sequence of rolls is very complicated and very unlikely to happen the exact same way again. Does that prove the FSM was picking the numbers?

You Intelligent Design faithful think "this is so complicated, it must have been guided" when there are many possible similar outcomes that could have happened all through chance.

The human eye is just one of many designs for a light sensor, and has some odd features you wouldn't expect to find if it had been designed by some perfect creator.
 
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Ahhh, that must be it. Anyway, I think there may be some very old, very rudamentary DNA-editing system or something that internalizes natural changes in every creature. Perhaps I need to ask a biologist.
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Wut? Darwin discovered this process 150 years ago.
 
Yeah. Gravity is god pushing you down with his invisible hand (or maybe just sitting on you)

Without god's grace (or ass) we'd all float up into oblivion, like Satan wants.
 
Dumac said:
Yeah. Gravity is god pushing you down with his invisible hand (or maybe just sitting on you)

Without god's grace (or ass) we'd all float up into oblivion, like Satan wants.
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Its also possible that all the particles of air in the room that I am in could at the same moment move to one side of the room, causing me to suffocate to death. God keeps those particles evenly distributed with his invisible hand so that I don't die. Thank you god.
 
Narmer said:
That's the thing I'm trying to understand. How exactly does self-selection work? Not every living creature has parents to teach them what works best so it must be transferred in the genetic code. Is there a known process to this or do we just assume that all natural actions, whether physical like radiation on the epidermus or knowing which creatures are predator or prey, gets ingrained in our DNA?

Living creatures hone their skills over time and this is impossible if they have to start-over everytime they're born.
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You know what you NEED to LEARN? Evolution.

You think you heard and know what it is, but you don't. That's why you are asking such failure of questions.

DNA doesn't have an adapting morph feature like you think they do. Giraffes didn't magically learn to grow their necks long. The short-necked ones died of starvation, so the longer ones survived and bred. Thus, they got longer and longer over time.

Then you must ask, "What made their necks long? It must be DNA-editing!" No, it's natural genetic variations that occur when offsprings are born. Shorter-necked ones died and naturally longer ones lived.

Add many many recurring generations and you got your giraffe.

Read some real text books and stop playing video games. 'Evolving' doesn't mean you mutate and adapt within a generation.
 
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