Is there a such thing as a legal weapon that can kill?

[FoBoT]

I just found a 1W (yes 1000mw) laser pointer.

http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/S3_Krypton_Series-113-63.html

Looks legal to buy in the US.

BTW, what actual purposes (besides just owning it to own it) do people use these things for? You can't safely use this thing without everyone wearing protection.

so i could use that to signal alien space ships

Our Earth's atmosphere ends at 62 miles, but the Krypton goes beyond as it breaks through our atmosphere, into outer space. With its extreme range of 85 miles, the S3 Krypton is the first and only handheld laser visible from outer space.

dude, w0w

 

[janas19]

In NYC there is a new craze among teens. They'll attack anyone at random and try to scar them, or knock them out in one blow. Usually, it will start with them asking for the time or something mundane like that.

This is driving me mad. 2 people in my area were attacked or spit on in the last week. In NYC, it is impossible to get a conceal carry license, unless your work requires it, or you are incredibly rich or a politician.

There's seriously no way to defend yourself without breaking the law.

Is there a such thing as a legal weapon? I know folding knifes under 3" are allowed in NYC, but in the heat of being attacked, I don't think this is a safe option. I'd probably get more hurt myself trying to unflip it.

Anyone know? What could be an easily hide-able common object that can be used as a weapon?

Sure, a GUN is a legal weapon that can kill. But the real question is not the lethality, but the legality of using it. You can use a gun against someone who is breaking into your home, or threatening you or a loved one's life, and generally you will be absolved. But getting punched in the face by a rowdy teenager, and then shooting them? It's an act of excessive force.

I have a better question for you: where exactly were your friends when they got attacked? If, for example, the attack took place in a public area, and it was just brutal, I believe other people would witness it and take pity.

The better thing is, if you are in danger, to be smart. Avoid areas that are empty or dark and you'll probably avoid the few really bad apples.

 

[rasczak]

My penis.

Not yours. Mine.

Sorry, but a pimple does not a weapon make.

 

[Spikesoldier]

i would kill someone with my bare hands

 

[Thebobo]

One of these should take care of your problem.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Sure, a GUN is a legal weapon that can kill. But the real question is not the lethality, but the legality of using it. You can use a gun against someone who is breaking into your home, or threatening you or a loved one's life, and generally you will be absolved. But getting punched in the face by a rowdy teenager, and then shooting them? It's an act of excessive force.

I have a better question for you: where exactly were your friends when they got attacked? If, for example, the attack took place in a public area, and it was just brutal, I believe other people would witness it and take pity.

The better thing is, if you are in danger, to be smart. Avoid areas that are empty or dark and you'll probably avoid the few really bad apples.

Actually being around large crowds makes bystanders less likely to take action so you really aren't any safer.

I would hope that using a gun to defend yourself when attacked by multiple people without provocation would be considered a justified use of force.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Where the hell in NYC do you live where this is an issue?

 

[Rifter]

When i used to take public transport late at night i used to keep a 5D maglite strapped to my backpack so it was always close at hand.

 

[Oyeve]

I just ride the subways with a bat. Cop asks why, I say I am on my way to a baseball game.

 

[guyver01]

Stickball bats are perfectly legal.

in fact... i used to carry around a pair of escrima sticks in my back seat. perfectly legal.

 

[Ns1]

Where the hell in NYC do you live where this is an issue?

attacks seem pretty random (subway, bike paths, bus, etc)

 

[Oyeve]

attacks seem pretty random (subway, bike paths, bus, etc)

I also use my bat on bikepath riders. They annoy the shit out of me. Always jumping in front of my car screaming and shit as I run over them. They make too much noise.

 

[sourceninja]

IIRC, in some states you have to register yourself as the weapon.

I hope your making a joke. Cause it would make me sad to think anyone believes that.

 

[Oyeve]

I hope your making a joke. Cause it would make me sad to think anyone believes that.

Well, if you are a 4th degree blackbellt and you beat the crap out of someone and it gets reported I think they can flag you. What that means I dont know, but I heard something like that.

 

[dualsmp]

Get a 4, 5 or 6 D Cell Maglite flashlight. A 4 D cell would probably be enough. You could probably holster it and should be legal. People would just think you work in maintenance.

http://www.maglite.com/productline.asp

 

[thegimp03]

Stun gun?
Cattle prod?

 

[rudder]

My penis.

Not yours. Mine.

What could the OP do with that? poke it in the assailants ear hole?

 

[sourceninja]

Well, if you are a 4th degree blackbellt and you beat the crap out of someone and it gets reported I think they can flag you. What that means I dont know, but I heard something like that.

You realize I have a 16 year old nephew who is a black belt in martial arts (I think a 2nd or 3rd degree). The kid can't fight his way out of a paper bag.

I've been in martial arts my whole life. I have a black belt in TKD, a 1st brown in judo, a blue belt in bjj, I've boxed for a while, I've dabbled in amateur MMA. I even spent a short stint in aikido and krav maga. I know professional fighters and guys at the top of many styles of martial arts. I know a guy who worked contract jobs in Iraq and I know marines.

It is a urban legend that you have to register yourself as a weapon for any reason, even if you were a navy seal.

Now what could happen is that your training could be used by the state in a case against you. They could say that your training put you in a position of advantage, and knowing that you instigated the fight or that you used excessive force. This is why I would never tell the police something like:

"He took a swing at me, I clinched and threw a short elbow to the face followed by a harai goshi, once on the ground I secured a clock choke and put him out."

What I would say would be like this:

"He was attacking me and I was scared, I grabbed on to him to stop him from hitting me and we both fell to the ground. In the scramble I must have done something cause he stopped fighting back. I was so scared and it all happend so fast, I really thought he was going to kill me...."

 

[hanoverphist]

nothing beats the experience of personal defense training. i carry a gun and a knife, and in close quarters id go hand-to-hand before pulling out either of them. usually, if someone is trying to cold-cock you, there is no time to react with lots of force. the best thing to do is try to avoid and recover quickly, then react as soon as you can to get the upper hand. unless you have one of those key chain mini batons or whatever in your hand already, you wont really have much time to pull out a knife or other small weapon that is hidden on your person.

 

[schneiderguy]

IIRC fixed blade knives are legal in NYC.

 

[SKORPI0]

. IIRC, in some states you have to register yourself as the weapon.

I hope your making a joke. Cause it would make me sad to think anyone believes that.

Well, if you are a 4th degree blackbellt and you beat the crap out of someone and it gets reported I think they can flag you. What that means I dont know, but I heard something like that.

I wasn't joking, that's what a cousin told me about it being required or to be implemented in CA. Of course I gave him a look and told him "no way" that can be legal. D:

Interesting thread....Professional Fighters registering as Lethal weapon.

First, in the United States at least, the question of whether hands (or other body parts) of a boxer, martial artist or any other person even qualifies as a "deadly" or "lethal" weapon depends largely upon how "deadly weapon," "lethal weapon," or "deadly force" is defined (usually by statute, which is then interpreted by the courts). _See,_ _e.g.,_ Vitauts M. Gulbis, "Parts of the Human Body, Other Than Feet, as Deadly or Dangerous Weapons for Purposes of Statutes Aggravating Offenses Such as Assault and Robbery," 8 A.L.R.4th 1268 (1981 and supplements); Christpher Vaeth, "Kicking as Aggravated Assault, or Assault With Dangerous or Deadly Weapon," 19 A.L.R.5th 823 (1995 and supplements). Most statutes have been interpreted to require an object external to the human body before a "deadly weapon" element can be met. For example, in _Minnesota v. Bastin_, 572 N.W.2d 281 (Minn. 1997), the Minnesota Supreme Court overruled the trial court's conclusion that the left fist of the defendant, a former licensed professional prize fighter, was a "deadly weapon."

 

[irishScott]

Baseball bat?

 

[pontifex]

Mace
pepper spray
Sjambok - doubles as a walking stick, and will tear the flesh off our target.

In case you do not know what a Sjambok is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPQzC877O6Q

lol that video is retarded.

 

[pontifex]

Why not just a Telescoping Baton? Much easier to carry around.

is it legal though? They are illegal in PA

 

[sourceninja]

In Indiana, you can purchase and carry them legally, but if you use them in a offensive manner then are classified as a deadly weapon and you will be charged as such.