Is there a replacement lined up for the F-14 Tomcat?

[NFS4]

Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

 

[EyeMWing]

That's part of the JSF's role, yes. And there are PLENTY of Phoenix-alike long range AAMs. I just can't think of any offhand

 

[dawheat]

From vague recollection in the early 90s, the F-14 and the Phoenix missle system were designed specifically to combat Russian Backfire and Blackjack supersonic bombers which would carry multiple long range (100 miles +) and high speed (Mach 2?) anti-ship missles. Therefore a need for a high speed, long-range fighter-missle defense system was needed- where manuverability was a secondary concern. The Aegis system was obviously designed to combat this threat as well in a closer scale.

There likely will not be this type of threat in the forseeable future, so I doubt we'll see a similar type of plane again. Lighter, more manuverable, more versatile, and stealty planes seem the order of the day.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Yeah, the JSF is it, plus the F/A 18 E/F Super Hornet are supposed to take place of the vernerable Tomcat. The AIM-155 was supposed to be the successor to the Phoenix, but I haven't heard anything about the Navy adopting it.


Update...AIM-155 program cancelled in 1992. Looks like the Navy is still relying on Sidewinders and Sparrows as their main air-to-air ordinance

 

[lobadobadingdong]

I always thought the f15 was the "replacement" but those navy guys just won't let go, and just instead kept asking for upgrades to the f14.

 

[EyeMWing]

... No. The F-15 couldn't be navalized if they tried. Just because the number is higher doesn't mean a damn thing.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I always thought the f15 was the "replacement" but those navy guys just won't let go, and just instead kept asking for upgrades to the f14.

How could a plane designed for the Air Force be a replacement for a "ground-up" designed carrier based plane?

 

[klah]

They are currently being replaced by the F/A-18F.

VF 2, 14, 41, 102, 201 and VF 211 have all been transitioned already. The 6 remaining F-14 squadrons are scheduled to finish transition within 3 years.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I always thought the f15 was the "replacement" but those navy guys just won't let go, and just instead kept asking for upgrades to the f14.

How could a plane designed for the Air Force be a replacement for a "ground-up" designed carrier based plane?

+ F15 can't take off from a carrier.

 

[Daaavo]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I always thought the f15 was the "replacement" but those navy guys just won't let go, and just instead kept asking for upgrades to the f14.

How could a plane designed for the Air Force be a replacement for a "ground-up" designed carrier based plane?

+ F15 can't take off from a carrier.

It could, just will never be able to land afterward.
The cat will ravage the nose gear.

Also, all Naval A/C have foldable wings for easier parking. The Eagle & Falson wings are fixed.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: Daaavo

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?

BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

Thanks for the :camera:'s Daaavo :beer:

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Daaavo

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

Nice, those should take care of all those terrorists in the Middle East!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Also, all Naval A/C have foldable wings for easier parking. The Eagle & Falson wings are fixed.

Falcon is also a one-hole aircraft. The Navy tends to prefer two-holers.

Having spoken with some pilots who've flown both the F-14D and the F/A-18, the completely un-scientific poll shows the F-14D with the overwhelming support from its pilots. The Tomcat enjoys amazing love and loyalty from its pilots.

ZV

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Also, all Naval A/C have foldable wings for easier parking. The Eagle & Falson wings are fixed.

Falcon is also a one-hole aircraft. The Navy tends to prefer two-holers.

Having spoken with some pilots who've flown both the F-14D and the F/A-18, the completely un-scientific poll shows the F-14D with the overwhelming support from its pilots. The Tomcat enjoys amazing love and loyalty from its pilots.

ZV

That's like polling Chevy and Ford truck owners and the Ford owners saying they love their trucks

 

[Bushwicktrini]

Originally posted by: klah
They are currently being replaced by the F/A-18F.

VF 2, 14, 41, 102, 201 and VF 211 have all been transitioned already. The 6 remaining F-14 squadrons are scheduled to finish transition within 3 years.

Yeah and it makes me sad I love the F-14 it was the reason I joined the Navy

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NFS4
That's like polling Chevy and Ford truck owners and the Ford owners saying they love their trucks

I dunno, the Tomcat seems to enjoy more loyalty than the other aircraft.

I think it has more to do with the Tomcat having been the "Elite" aircraft for so long. The Tomcat squadrons were the best of the best, and their plane marked them. Now, that's being taken away. I look at the F-14D in the same kind of way I look at a Countach or one of the early 930 Turbos, or a Shelby Cobra 427; absolute beasts of machines that don't have an ounce of forgiveness and that demand vast amounts of skill to be handled anywhere near their limits. The sorts of people who gravitate towards these types of machines aren't going to really like the more driveable machines, even if the latter can be as capable.

ZV

 

[MasterAndCommander]

F-14 Replacment

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Also, all Naval A/C have foldable wings for easier parking. The Eagle & Falson wings are fixed.

Falcon is also a one-hole aircraft. The Navy tends to prefer two-holers.

Having spoken with some pilots who've flown both the F-14D and the F/A-18, the completely un-scientific poll shows the F-14D with the overwhelming support from its pilots. The Tomcat enjoys amazing love and loyalty from its pilots.

ZV

Ask the maintainers which one they love. That should be a little more telling.

As is mentioned above, the Super Hornet is the replacement for the Tomcat. The JSF, as the name implies, is primarily a strike aircraft with the ability to conduct air to air. Tomcat was a dedicated interceptor, even if they managed to add some bombs to it (hell, F-15C can carry bombs). Super Hornet more closely resembles the Tomcat in capability, but it's much more versatile -- ever see a Tomcat refuel another one? AEGIS makes the interceptor a liability in terms of deckspace.

Ask the Tomcat drivers about J-UCAS and see what kind of reaction you get.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Growing up my neighbor worked on two awesome projects. He worked on the Lunar Module and then the F-14.

RIP Mr C.

 

[spc hink]

The only reason why the DOD would need to develop a new airplane is if aliens attacked.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: Daaavo

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

Anyone agrees with me that that the Raptor is simply the most beautiful fighter ever made?

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy

Originally posted by: Daaavo

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

Anyone agrees with me that that the Raptor is simply the most beautiful fighter ever made?

I disagree

F-23 = teh sexay!

 

[Fenixgoon]

f22 = hawt, despite its cost

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy

Originally posted by: Daaavo

Originally posted by: NFS4
Seems like an overly large and complex plane. Would the new naval version of the JSF take over some duties of the F-14?

Also, is there any comparable missle system to the Phoenix in service today in the world? And just how effective is it? Has it been successfully used in real-world A2A attacks?


BTW, the History Channel is running a Modern Marvels episode on the F-14 now...the F-22 is next

Check out these sexy pix of the F/A 22.

Anyone agrees with me that that the Raptor is simply the most beautiful fighter ever made?

I disagree

F-23 = teh sexay!

Pretty faces don't win battles