Is there a point where you're optimally filling your gas tank?

[jlee]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
To the op: If you want to improve anything, try to improve the amount of gas you get per dollar and you can do this by filling up at night or very early morning where the gas is its coldest.

Oh dear God in Heaven not this bullshit again. The storage tanks are underground far enough that there is no significant temperature fluctuation. The fact that this myth keeps getting passed around is a testament to the frightening lack of basic scientific knowledge among the general public.

Something I posted on another forum a long time ago that still holds true:

Ever gone into a root cellar in the middle of summer when it's ~100 out? It'll be ~60 degrees in the root cellar, and a root cellar isn't even completely burried. Put something 10-15 feet underground like a gas station's tanks are and you're talking about maybe, maybe a 15 degree swing in temperature from the coldest time in winter to the hottest time in summer. Daily fluctuation would be less than 1 degree.

For comparison, using measurements from a root cellar in Alberta, outside temperatures were less than -40 Fahrenheit and inside the root cellar the temperature was around 35 degrees (i.e. above freezing) but in the summer when temperatures were in the 90's the root cellar's temperature was around 50 degrees.

A 30 degree increase in temperature (from 60 degrees to 90 degrees) will cause an increase in volume of one gallon of gasoline of 4 cubic inches. (From 231 cubic inches to 235 cubic inches.) Half of that increase, which represents the temperature change at tank depth equivalent to an above-ground swing of a staggering 130 degrees (remember that in the above example the below-ground temp changed from 35 degrees to 50 degrees when the above-ground temp changed from -40 to +90), would mean a change in volume from 231 cubic inches to 233 cubic inches. That's a change of 0.8% (0.008gallons) in volume from the coldest day of winter to the hottest day of summer. Change during the average day will be at most a single degree of fluctuation. Not enough to make any measureable difference.

ZV

It's not a myth, it HAS been proven to be true, there is a reason why in canada they have temperature compensating fuel pumps but not here. Since gasoline is calculated based upon temperatures of 60F, when the temperature goes above that, you get less gasoline that you're paying for, and when the temperature goes below that, you get more gasoline than you paid for which is why they were so eager to install the temperature compensating pumps in canada but not here since it's hotter here and colder there. This is NOT A MYTH you're just uneducated and misinformed about this.

THIS IS NOT A MYTH.

:laugh:

 

[CrimsonWolf]

:laugh:

The "hot fuel" debate does nothing to answer the OP's question. Most of the debate is centered on seasonal/climate differences. E.g., AZ having higher tank temperatures on average in the summer.

There isn't anything a driver can do about it on a day to day basis. As others pointed out, because the tanks are underground the temperature variance throughout the day is absolutely trivial.

What are we going to do about it? Only fill up in the winter?

MYTH as far as day to day driving is concerned.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: CrimsonWolf
:laugh:

The "hot fuel" debate does nothing to answer the OP's question. Most of the debate is centered on seasonal/climate differences. E.g., AZ having higher tank temperatures on average in the summer.

There isn't anything a driver can do about it on a day to day basis. As others pointed out, because the tanks are underground the temperature variance throughout the day is absolutely trivial.

What are we going to do about it? Only fill up in the winter?

MYTH as far as day to day driving is concerned.

I guess you could bury your car 10 feet underground when you get to your destination.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: CrimsonWolf
:laugh:

The "hot fuel" debate does nothing to answer the OP's question. Most of the debate is centered on seasonal/climate differences. E.g., AZ having higher tank temperatures on average in the summer.

There isn't anything a driver can do about it on a day to day basis. As others pointed out, because the tanks are underground the temperature variance throughout the day is absolutely trivial.

What are we going to do about it? Only fill up in the winter?

MYTH as far as day to day driving is concerned.

Obviously you can't fill up with 40f fuel or only fill up in the winter but what you CAN do is fill up before you go to work...

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

 

[jlee]

/facepalm

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

Even if it did swing .16 gallons per fillup you're still better getting gas when you're already going to be driving by the station than even driving a small distance out of your way.

As people have repeatedly said the temperature in the tank can't fluctuate that greatly due to changes in air temperature over the course of the day. The temperature will swing quite a bit more due to the tank being refilled. The difference in temperature between the gas in the truck and the gas in the tank will be far greater than any swing you'll see from a change in air temperature over the course of a single day.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: CrimsonWolf
:laugh:

The "hot fuel" debate does nothing to answer the OP's question. Most of the debate is centered on seasonal/climate differences. E.g., AZ having higher tank temperatures on average in the summer.

There isn't anything a driver can do about it on a day to day basis. As others pointed out, because the tanks are underground the temperature variance throughout the day is absolutely trivial.

What are we going to do about it? Only fill up in the winter?

MYTH as far as day to day driving is concerned.

Obviously you can't fill up with 40f fuel or only fill up in the winter but what you CAN do is fill up before you go to work...

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

You were talking about a difference between night and day temperatures in the tank. Suddenly you switch to winter and summer. Shifting the topic doesn't change the fact that your original claim was crazy.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

Even if it did swing .16 gallons per fillup you're still better getting gas when you're already going to be driving by the station than even driving a small distance out of your way.

As people have repeatedly said the temperature in the tank can't fluctuate that greatly due to changes in air temperature over the course of the day. The temperature will swing quite a bit more due to the tank being refilled. The difference in temperature between the gas in the truck and the gas in the tank will be far greater than any swing you'll see from a change in air temperature over the course of a single day.

Uh, read that closer again. You're agreeing with me.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

For people who can read, the evidence is already there. Since I never said that the underground tanks stay at 60 degrees all year (in fact, if you read what I wrote you'll see that I said they fluctuate from around 35 degrees in winter to the 50's in the summer, but of course you're not smart enough to see that), your little whiny tirade is a straw man at best.

And yes, when it's 100 degrees Fahrenheit above ground a root cellar absolutely will hold temps in the mid 50's to the low 60's.

Linky for root cellar temps.

The bottom line here is that, as usual, you're talking out of your ass.

ZV

 

[IcePickFreak]

You can maximize your gallons per dollar fueling up during a lunar eclipse as well. The lunar gravitational pull offsets the earths gravitational pull therefore tricking the pumps into charging you less for more. In fact when I filled up during the last lunar eclipse, that fortunately happened at 3am when the fuel was coldest, I even tricked my car and was able to put 20 gallons in... and it's only got an 18 gallon tank! True story.

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: IcePickFreak
You can maximize your gallons per dollar fueling up during a lunar eclipse as well. The lunar gravitational pull offsets the earths gravitational pull therefore tricking the pumps into charging you less for more. In fact when I filled up during the last lunar eclipse, that fortunately happened at 3am when the fuel was coldest, I even tricked my car and was able to put 20 gallons in... and it's only got an 18 gallon tank! True story.

Listen to this man, he is a professional.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Another link for the gullible folks who still believe that filling up in the morning will help.

Consumer Reports Gas Pump Myths

While the air temperature between filling varied by up to 12 degrees, the fuel in our underground tank stayed at a steady 62 degrees F.

ZV

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: fleabag
I'm just saying that to say that there isn't a measurable difference between gasoline at 60F and 80F+ is a lie and can theoretically add up over time.

And if your dumb ass could read, you'd have seen that I actually used math and observed temperatures to work out exactly how much difference there is.

For a 130 degree swing in above-ground temperature, the variation in underground temperature is 15 degrees. That works out to a difference of 2 cubic inches per gallon of gasoline, or 0.008 gallons between the coldest day of winter and the hottest day of summer.

For a 20 gallon fill-up that's 0.16 gallons from the coldest day in winter to the warmest day in summer.

If you were capable of reading, you'd have seen that. You'd have also seen that the temperature of gasoline in underground tanks doesn't swing by 20 degrees even from winter to summer, let alone in a single day.

As usual, your automotive claims are so much bullshit.

ZV

Even if it did swing .16 gallons per fillup you're still better getting gas when you're already going to be driving by the station than even driving a small distance out of your way.

As people have repeatedly said the temperature in the tank can't fluctuate that greatly due to changes in air temperature over the course of the day. The temperature will swing quite a bit more due to the tank being refilled. The difference in temperature between the gas in the truck and the gas in the tank will be far greater than any swing you'll see from a change in air temperature over the course of a single day.

Uh, read that closer again. You're agreeing with me.

ZV

I know I'm agreeing with you, I was just expounding on it a bit more.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

 

[fleabag]

Also if gasoline is always at 60F because you say it is, then why is it that in the contiguous United States, they use gasoline at 60F as the basis but in Hawaii, it is REQUIRED for fuel to be calculated at a temperature of 80F?

Anyways maybe this will satisfy you people:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

No, you're wrong. Just because you say you're right doesn't make you right. ZV has debunked your bullshit arguments soundly. You've offered nothing at all conclusive to back up your bullshit arguments.

You lose...as usual.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

Nope, he's got science on his side on this one. You're grasping at straws.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

No, you're wrong. Just because you say you're right doesn't make you right. ZV has debunked your bullshit arguments soundly. You've offered nothing at all conclusive to back up your bullshit arguments.

You lose...as usual.

He didn't debunk anything, all he did was say that I'm wrong and he's right because his wine cellar is always 60F which is a bullshit argument for various reasons. Just read my snopes link and leave it at that.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

No, you're wrong. Just because you say you're right doesn't make you right. ZV has debunked your bullshit arguments soundly. You've offered nothing at all conclusive to back up your bullshit arguments.

You lose...as usual.

He didn't debunk anything, all he did was say that I'm wrong and he's right because his wine cellar is always 60F which is a bullshit argument for various reasons. Just read my snopes link and leave it at that.

Uh..you are wrong and he is right.

What "various reasons" do you have that the temperature under ground fluctuates at a significant rate?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fleabag
Oh I'm sorry Mr. Expert... Please show me your evidence that temperatures at gas stations do not increase in the summer substantially over their winter temperatures. You REALLY believe that gas tanks are 60F all year round? Where? I can assure that if if the ambient temperature is 100F, it's NOT going to 60F gasoline coming out of that tank under ground. Remember, they fill those tanks, it's not like it's an underground reservoir of water with tens of millions of gallons worth of fuel. I think the worst part about this thread is that I KNOW for a fact that all the evidence can be found on the internet and I had it at one point, the problem is I didn't retain it for use in future arguments.

Hey genius, I'm going to let you in on a little secret, you can find bullshit to support any dumbass idea on the internet...that doesn't mean it has any basis at all in fact or reality.

The FACT is this: You are WRONG and ZV is RIGHT.

Give up while you're behind.

Oh ok. Well with that logic, ZV is wrong and I'm right. We're equally correct and equally incorrect....

No, you're wrong. Just because you say you're right doesn't make you right. ZV has debunked your bullshit arguments soundly. You've offered nothing at all conclusive to back up your bullshit arguments.

You lose...as usual.

He didn't debunk anything, all he did was say that I'm wrong and he's right because his wine cellar is always 60F which is a bullshit argument for various reasons. Just read my snopes link and leave it at that.

God are you stupid. Physics, logic, and reality all say you are wrong. You are either uneducated or you slept through some important classes.

 

[Bignate603]

So first you claim this...

Originally posted by: fleabag
To the op: If you want to improve anything, try to improve the amount of gas you get per dollar and you can do this by filling up at night or very early morning where the gas is its coldest.

And then provide us with this as proof of your arguement...

Originally posted by: fleabag
Anyways maybe this will satisfy you people:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp

Which says this...

Should I buy fuel in the morning or when temperatures are cooler?

No. The delivery temperature is key, because most fuel sits in underground tanks that act like big Thermos bottles. Even if a station receives a load of gas at 5 a.m., if it's coming straight from the refinery, the fuel will be hot and stay that way.

Are you trying to support your own argument or tear it apart?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Bignate603
So first you claim this...

Originally posted by: fleabag
To the op: If you want to improve anything, try to improve the amount of gas you get per dollar and you can do this by filling up at night or very early morning where the gas is its coldest.

And then provide us with this as proof of your arguement...

TextAnyways maybe this will satisfy you people:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp

Which says this...

Should I buy fuel in the morning or when temperatures are cooler?

No. The delivery temperature is key, because most fuel sits in underground tanks that act like big Thermos bottles. Even if a station receives a load of gas at 5 a.m., if it's coming straight from the refinery, the fuel will be hot and stay that way.

Are you trying to support your own argument or tear it apart?

:laugh:

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: Bignate603
So first you claim this...

Originally posted by: fleabag
To the op: If you want to improve anything, try to improve the amount of gas you get per dollar and you can do this by filling up at night or very early morning where the gas is its coldest.

And then provide us with this as proof of your arguement...

Originally posted by: fleabag
Anyways maybe this will satisfy you people:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp

Which says this...

Should I buy fuel in the morning or when temperatures are cooler?

No. The delivery temperature is key, because most fuel sits in underground tanks that act like big Thermos bottles. Even if a station receives a load of gas at 5 a.m., if it's coming straight from the refinery, the fuel will be hot and stay that way.

Are you trying to support your own argument or tear it apart?

I like how you manage to quote only a small section and make it seem like that's the opinion of snopes.....it is not. What you quoted there was actually from the LA times.

The temperature at which gasoline is sold has been the focus of legislative interest of late in several states, the primary issue being that regulators maintain
gasoline expands or contracts about 1% for every 15-degree change in the fuel's temperature. U.S. oil companies and distributors account for temperature when they sell to each other, but most retail outlets in the U.S. (i.e., gas stations that service ordinary motorists) make no such adjustments. The standard used in the oil industry assumes fuel is dispensed at a temperature of 60°F; however, fuel often comes out of service station pumps at considerably higher temperatures (especially in warmer climates), but its volume is still calculated as if it were 60°F, which advocates claim results in customers' getting a smaller volume of gasoline than they're paying for. Lawmakers in some states (such as California, Texas, and Missouri) have therefore been considering bills that would force retailers to add temperature-adjusting pumps (Automatic Temperature Compensation, or ATC) in order to bring the gallons-sold tally in line with the 60°F standard. (Temperature regulations on gasoline sales are already in effect in some places. Hawaii, for example, requires retail pumps to dispense fuel on the assumption that it is 80°F rather than 60°F. ATC is widely used in Canada, but some cynics have noted that Canada's colder climate means gasoline is often dispensed at temperatures lower than 60°F, resulting in customers' getting more than they're paying for ? hence the oil industry's eagerness to embrace ATC in that country while resisting its implementation in the U.S.)



As for what you quoted earlier, here is the part right before that you truncated in your post:
"The whole temperature/volume issue is a subject of lively debate: Some maintain that consumers always get the volume of gas they pay for, regardless of temperature, and the real issue is whether a gallon of warmer, expanded fuel contains as much "energy" (or octane) as a gallon of cooler fuel. Some say it doesn't; others maintain that consumers are getting the same "energy content" in a tank of gas either way.

Moreover, according to some sources the idea that buying gasoline in the morning will guarantee motorists get considerably cooler (and therefore cheaper) fuel is a chimera, as the Los Angeles Times noted: "