Is there a big difference between poverty vodka and fine vodka?

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alkemyst

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You get a terribly angry person, about to boil over and unleash the hounds of hell!

I am sorry about your boils, but you need to stop threatening people.

Are you the guy that sent me emails a few years ago with every N capitalized?

I fouNd you!

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No wonder you are boiling over! See a dermatologist!

And stop stealing things!
 

momeNt

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I am sorry about your boils, but you need to stop threatening people.

Are you the guy that sent me emails a few years ago with every N capitalized?

I fouNd you!

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No wonder you are boiling over! See a dermatologist!

And stop stealing things!

I have my N capitalized from when I played counter strike. HeatoN, RobbaN, SpawN. among others.
 

smackababy

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katrina:
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tsunami:
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I am confused at to what you're trying to show? Did excessive looting happen in New Orleans after Katrina? Yes, and I denounce that kind of thievery. Were some people without supplies and had no way other than to enter abandoned stores and steal supplies? You're stupid if you think otherwise.
 

momeNt

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K gotcha, you troll and try to stay aNon.

So why do you have such an affiNity to those that steal?

I never sent you any email ever.... but w/e, and haven't trolled you, at least not on purpose.

I don't. I was merely trying to differentiate between stealing for reasons other than being a klepto.
 

smackababy

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I never sent you any email ever.... but w/e, and haven't trolled you, at least not on purpose.

I don't. I was merely trying to differentiate between stealing for reasons other than being a klepto.

Right when klepto was mentioned I posted what is actually was; they were fine with ignoring it and remaining ignorant.
 

uclaLabrat

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If they're distilling in batches, assuming alcohol/water mixture, the first drops should be the purest.
Assuming it's ONLY alcohol/water, sure. But there is no distillation where that is the case. The purest cuts are in the middle for alcohol I believe.

In fact, for all distillations, it's better to let a forerun go for a certain amount (roughly 10% of the distillation volume) as even simple distillations will have a mess of impurities in the first fractions until a solid equilibrium is established in the vapor phase.
 

smackababy

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The top I believe contains the methanol, which is poisonous. They have to separate that, otherwise, their consumers would dwindle drastically.


Is it really that hard to have pure alcohol though? Is there not substance in stills that could ensure a very high purity. Would distilling it multiple times help? Obviously, the mash is ripe with impurities, but the distilled spirits from it could be distilled against for even further purity couldn't it? Or do stills have some nature of no matter how many time, you're always going to get contaminants from the material and such?

I suppose the same could be asked about water too.
 

destrekor

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The top I believe contains the methanol, which is poisonous. They have to separate that, otherwise, their consumers would dwindle drastically.


Is it really that hard to have pure alcohol though? Is there not substance in stills that could ensure a very high purity. Would distilling it multiple times help? Obviously, the mash is ripe with impurities, but the distilled spirits from it could be distilled against for even further purity couldn't it? Or do stills have some nature of no matter how many time, you're always going to get contaminants from the material and such?

I suppose the same could be asked about water too.

Producing pure alcohol isn't entirely difficult. In essence, that is exactly what Everclear (190 proof) and "moonshine" (I reckon proof varies) represent.
"Neutral grain spirits" essentially equals "pure ethanol".
The fear from moonshine is the likelihood that they don't have much testing equipment and aren't technically masters at their craft, so it's likely they've not separated the heads and tails all that efficiently (if at all). There's nothing about moonshine production itself that makes it potentially dangerous, it all rides on the expertise of the 'shiners.

The legal definition of vodka is basically: go produce everclear, and water it down.
It is, however, the only liquor classification that follows that route. Most other liquors utilize stills, but few if any distill to the point of essentially pure ethanol, and most have varied production methods that are focused on imparting character, which, by definition, is what products like Everclear and vodka fight so hard to avoid.

So, for your question, it's not really hard to produce pure alcohol. There is little reason to do so, however.

BTW: the starting proof of vodka, and the final proof for Everclear, are essentially the purest you can get using the basic still process, IIRC. 190 proof = 95% pure ethanol. I think, chemically, producers can get to 100%, but it might be far more volatile, and more importantly, it involves more steps after distillation. I might be wrong about the 100% point, but I don't feel like looking that up again. They can get it higher than 95%.
Most of the time, however, outside of vodka and standard grain alcohol, any such pure ethanol production is going to be not judged to the critical standards of human consumption. It's relatively simple to produce ethanol to that level, which has many industrial and economic purposes, but I have a feeling many of those applications it isn't critical if every last molecule of methanol or the other alcohols are removed.
Even then, once you get into the chemistry approach, I think it's on the level of stupid easy to actually strip every else out.

It's also stupid cheap to produce ethanol in large quantities. It is sold, denatured (which means methanol is *added*), for an absolute steal.
 

uclaLabrat

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You can only get alcohol to 95% because it forms an azeotrope with water at that composition. Azeotropes are constant-boiling mixtures of two liquids, which are thus inseparable by distillation. You can get pure alcohol by adding benzene, which forms a lower boiling azeotrope with water than ethanol does (at 60 deg or so) and thus remove all the water that way, then distill off the benzene. I doubt they use that for any consumable ethanol as benzene is ridiculously toxic and trace amounts would likely be left in the ethanol.

You can buy anhydrous ethanol no problem, it's just usually used in a lab environment. I have no idea what the industrial process is, but it probably involves ternary azeotropes. We used to store it over molecular sieves, which helps too. Distilling over magnesium is another effective drying technique.