Is the US more racist now than int he 1960's?

[blackangst1]

Serious question. Speaking specifically about blacks, in 1960 black single motherhood was 18%. In 2015 it was 71%. Is it because we have become more racist? No. It is because we have incentivized bad behavior. This is where Bill Coby has it right: the problem with black America is the lack of fatherhood. Is it because we have more racist laws? No. We've gotten rid of most of those. With crime, prison rates, single motherhood, and wealth capita, blacks worse now that in the in 1960's. The thing is, American politics has done nothing but tried to intervene, and things has gotten worse.

And why blacks? Shit...in the last 60 years we have been no harder on any race than Asians, especially Japanese. Yet, who have typically been the most successful in this country? Asians.

And yet. Who have the most shoved into poverty above all else? Whites. This who conspiracy that the US hates blacks is bullshit.

Please do not post P&N threads in OT.

Iron Woode
Super Moderator

 

[ultimatebob]

This isn't the P&N forum, but it seems to me that we've come a long way from having separate black and white bathrooms in the south like we had in the early 1960's.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the thinking capacity of many who post here isn't up to an in depth exploration of this subject. That may include me.

 

[DaaQ]

Serious question. Speaking specifically about blacks, in 1960 black single motherhood was 18%. In 2015 it was 71%. Is it because we have become more racist? No. It is because we have incentivized bad behavior. This is where Bill Coby has it right: the problem with black America is the lack of fatherhood. Is it because we have more racist laws? No. We've gotten rid of most of those. With crime, prison rates, single motherhood, and wealth capita, blacks worse now that in the in 1960's. The thing is, American politics has done nothing but tried to intervene, and things has gotten worse.

And why blacks? Shit...in the last 60 years we have been no harder on any race than Asians, especially Japanese. Yet, who have typically been the most successful in this country? Asians.

And yet. Who have the most shoved into poverty above all else? Whites. This who conspiracy that the US hates blacks is bullshit.

You know why single motherhood is down? or up depending on how you look at percentages.

Because the fathers are incarcerated at a higher percentage than whites for the same crimes.

Does this elude you?

 

[Captante]

Careful ... advocating any kind of study of the real differences between sub-species of human-beings is a taboo-subject pretty much everywhere. Even bringing it up can lead to being branded a racist.

To be fair this is largely due to that type of "research" having been used to try to justify racism in the past.... and sometimes in the present!

Is the US more racist now than in the 1960's?

As to the original question, I would say no the US is far less racist overall then we were in the 1960's.

Still we could be doing a LOT better!

 

[HomerJS]

Serious question. Speaking specifically about blacks, in 1960 black single motherhood was 18%. In 2015 it was 71%. Is it because we have become more racist? No. It is because we have incentivized bad behavior. This is where Bill Coby has it right: the problem with black America is the lack of fatherhood. Is it because we have more racist laws? No. We've gotten rid of most of those. With crime, prison rates, single motherhood, and wealth capita, blacks worse now that in the in 1960's. The thing is, American politics has done nothing but tried to intervene, and things has gotten worse.

And why blacks? Shit...in the last 60 years we have been no harder on any race than Asians, especially Japanese. Yet, who have typically been the most successful in this country? Asians.

And yet. Who have the most shoved into poverty above all else? Whites. This who conspiracy that the US hates blacks is bullshit.

I'll just make 3 points to your op.

1. The percentage of single black motherhood has nothing to do with the question is the country more racist then 1960.

2. Do you brag to you friends that you feed and house your kids or that you don't beat your wife? Why? Because that just shit you are supposed to do. I don't give this country credit just because they no longer sick dogs and fire hoses on blacks. You don't get credit for acting less crazy.

3. Racism since 1960 has improved but is sliding backwards. Especially in the last 10 years. Example in 2006 when the 65 Voting Rights Act came up for renewal it got 100% of Republican votes. Today it would get ZERO.

Today Republicans are openly questioning if we should bring back laws banning interracial marriage.

Hope this answers your question

 

[zinfamous]

Careful ... advocating any kind of study of the real differences between sub-species of human-beings .......

wat?

 

[Captante]

wat?

"Sub-species" may not be the proper term but I was hesitant to use "breed"!

 

[ivwshane]

I love how the OP so uncritically accepts and repeats right wing talking points. A frequent tactic of the right “thinking class” (Ben Shapiro for example) is to use correlation as causation. In order to prove or give credence to the OP’s talking point (it’s not his btw, it’s a repeat of “race realists”), you’d have to show that as single motherhood has increased so has the use of welfare programs which they can’t show.

The OP also makes the claim that racist policies have ended, as if the consequences of those policies, once ended, also ended their impact. But then…

I especially liked the zero evidence backed claim that we’ve been harder on Asians than any other race. It’s like these idiots live a fucking vacuum, except when they need to make a point (as the OP did with this claim), where now the treatment of Asians had a lasting impact but they persevered. So which is it, racist policies have a lasting impact or they don’t?

 

[pete6032]

More racist? No. It is certainly less racist. Does that mean we have eradicated racism? Absolutely not. In fact xenophobia and racism are on the rise today.

Your argument about single black mothers is a non sequitur.

 

[nirimharboj]

Well, everything is about race these days so I'd say yes, it is far more racist.

This is what happens when social media gives every single person a voice. The ability to garner the attention of the masses should only be possible for those who have gained the requisite power and influence to do so, it shouldn't be something that some mentally ill loner is capable of.

You get the wrong voices heard amongst society and then censor common sense viewpoints, of course you'll have white teenagers kissing black people's feet and apologizing for something that their ancestors did to the ancestors of modern black people.

I look at a person and see a human being, same as me, I don't see them and think about how oppressed they are or how supreme they are etc etc.



What's amusing is that a ton of people are going over the top to not be racist, which tells me that they are in fact, racist..

 

[Amused]

Is general racism better?

Yes.

Is systemic racism better since the 70s?

No. (actual undeniable scientific proof for this exists: see below.)

Do GQP and racists still blame blacks for the social and socioeconomic effects of systemic racism?

Yes. (see OP's post...)

Proof:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1706255114

 

[ch33zw1z]

More racist? No. It is certainly less racist. Does that mean we have eradicated racism? Absolutely not. In fact xenophobia and racism are on the rise today.

Your argument about single black mothers is a non sequitur.

The OP has never found a red herring he didn't like

 

[cytg111]

Serious question. Speaking specifically about blacks, in 1960 black single motherhood was 18%. In 2015 it was 71%. Is it because we have become more racist? No. It is because we have incentivized bad behavior. This is where Bill Coby has it right: the problem with black America is the lack of fatherhood. Is it because we have more racist laws? No. We've gotten rid of most of those. With crime, prison rates, single motherhood, and wealth capita, blacks worse now that in the in 1960's. The thing is, American politics has done nothing but tried to intervene, and things has gotten worse.

And why blacks? Shit...in the last 60 years we have been no harder on any race than Asians, especially Japanese. Yet, who have typically been the most successful in this country? Asians.

And yet. Who have the most shoved into poverty above all else? Whites. This who conspiracy that the US hates blacks is bullshit.

Please do not post P&N threads in OT.

Iron Woode
Super Moderator

So what is your proposed variable that solves the equation? That blacks are genetically wired towards circumstances that results in higher crime and being unfit for modern society?

I mean, it sounds to me like what you are saying is that all other things is in fact equal and thus as the outcome is different the difference must be within the blacks themselves.

Is that what you’re getting at?

It sounds like a conversation in a bar between two racists that is in consensus that they’re not racists BUT….

You know?

 

[dank69]

Well, everything is about race these days so I'd say yes, it is far more racist.

This is what happens when social media gives every single person a voice. The ability to garner the attention of the masses should only be possible for those who have gained the requisite power and influence to do so, it shouldn't be something that some mentally ill loner is capable of.

You get the wrong voices heard amongst society and then censor common sense viewpoints, of course you'll have white teenagers kissing black people's feet and apologizing for something that their ancestors did to the ancestors of modern black people.

I look at a person and see a human being, same as me, I don't see them and think about how oppressed they are or how supreme they are etc etc.



What's amusing is that a ton of people are going over the top to not be racist, which tells me that they are in fact, racist..

For most, common sense would have dictated not posting this.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Better than the 60s is not a particularly high bar to clear.

I'm reminded of the Star Trek DS9 episode where the crew is trying to get Captain Sisko to help save Vic Fontaine and his holosuite program. Sisko is opposed to saving the program because it presents a whitewashed version of the early to mid 1900s in the US. The 24th century being only a few hundred years since the Civil Rights era in the US and an even shorter time since true equality was achieved. Cassidy reminds him of how far society has come and eventually convinces Sisko to help save the program.

We have a very long way to go, and right now we're sliding backwards

 

[Lezunto]

There are a lot more people in the United States now than there were in the 1960's.

There really is no way to compare the amount or depth of racism these days with days of the Kennedys and Dr. King because it is not always based on skin color, ethnicity or national origin. Religion, political affiliation and even geographic location now play major roles.

To some, attempting to quantify incidents can seem to be a waste of time because not all criminal acts are reported or tabulated.

Is there an increase in Hate? I think so. But this could also be because of a 24-news cycle.

What People of Color, immigrants and those who tend to sympathize with their plight should always keep uppermost in their mind is that unlike occupied lands in the Pacific and in Europe in World War II, there may not be anyone coming to save us.

 

[HomerJS]

Is general racism better?

Yes.

Is systemic racism better since the 70s?

No. (actual undeniable scientific proof for this exists: see below.)

Do GQP and racists still blame blacks for the social and socioeconomic effects of systemic racism?

Yes. (see OP's post...)

Proof:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1706255114

Oh sure systemic racism is the fault of blacks while the GQP actively rolls back voting rights.

 

[darkswordsman17]

"Sub-species" may not be the proper term but I was hesitant to use "breed"!

Shut the fuck up.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Is general racism better?

Yes.

Is systemic racism better since the 70s?

No. (actual undeniable scientific proof for this exists: see below.)

Do GQP and racists still blame blacks for the social and socioeconomic effects of systemic racism?

Yes. (see OP's post...)

Proof:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1706255114

Yup. What changed is that after it became clear that overt racism wouldn't be tolerated any longer, they just pivoted to discriminate against poor people (which happens to get most blacks and non-white immigrants, while also giving them a large pool of under-educated white people that they can whip into a fury by blaming those others).

 

[Gardener]

Careful ... advocating any kind of study of the real differences between sub-species of human-beings is a taboo-subject pretty much everywhere. Even bringing it up can lead to being branded a racist.

To be fair this is largely due to that type of "research" having been used to try to justify racism in the past.... and sometimes in the present!





As to the original question, I would say no the US is far less racist overall then we were in the 1960's.

Still we could be doing a LOT better!

The word you are looking for is "race".

 

[pmv]

Racism has changed form. Not sure if you could say it's greater or lesser (what are the SI or Imperial units of "racism" that you would use for making quantitative comparisons, anyway? The Thurmond?). In any case it has a huge historical over-hang (or hangover). A thousand years on the UK still reflects some of the effects of the defeat of the Celts by the Anglo-Saxons and of the Anglo-Saxons by the Normans.

 

[trenchfoot]

If there's any one national leader that brought racist dogma back on stage front and center as its champion and well wisher, well, it goes without saying doesn't it?

 

[Lezunto]

No one in power wants to use N-word or racial insults to describe Latinos.

So, they employ their new barely understood racial insults such as "woke."

Which was always used among the Black Community to describe someone who is politically and culturally aware of sly and disguised insults or attempts to walk back civil and voting rights.

Now, "woke" is used by many Conservatives as an insult or to describe work or education programs, beliefs that promote diversity.

 

[ch33zw1z]

OP nowhere to be found, guess he was hittin the sauce again on a Saturday and decided to totally not show his hand on ATPN.