Is the gtx 470 now the better buy over the 5850?

[toyota]

I'd take a 5850 over 470 any day. The room I game is in already quite warm in summer. An overclocked 5850 will probably give you near 480 performance, maybe faster.

That's not to say the 470 is a bad buy, depending on your circumstances, budget, and performance goals it may be the best choice. It may not. I think the 5850 trumps it (and the 5870 and 480) in bang for the buck.

if you are able to overclock a 5850 high enough to beat a gtx480 then the power consumption and resulting heat would be just as high anyway.

 

[Tsavo]

For me the $30 difference between the 5850 I picked out and EVGA's lifetime warranty coupled with the higher performance of the GTX 470 swayed me to pick the GTX 470.

Well, that and the free George Foreman Bacon Grill attachment for the 470 helped sway my decision, too.

 

[happy medium]

Funny all these people with overclocked/overvolted quad cores crying about power consumption and heat.

Does any one here realize how much wattage a q9550 at 4.0 @ 1.4v pulls? or how much heat it generates?
Or how much a overvolted/overclocked 5850 pulls or the heat it generates @ 1000 core @ 1.3 volts?

I would imagine a overclocked/overvolted 5850 vs a STOCK gtx 470 performance would not be that much different. Mabe 40 watts?
Lets not forget the stock heatsink on the 5850 spinning at high rpm's to compensate for all the extra heat and voltage from the overclock.

Truthfully the hottest part of my system that I notice giving off heat is the crt monitor. My tower is a few feet away,,not next to my feet or blowing on my face.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Yeah because your CRT monitor runs a chance of damaging other components in your system... You seem to intentionally be missing the point.

Fermi cards run hot and suck power at stock settings. Running them under load can heat up a case big time especially if you SLI them. This happens whether or not you CPU is OCd or stock so loose the straw man arguments. Because the Fermi cards also suck down more energy than CPUs as well.

ATI cards have run better, are cheaper, & have more freedom in the settings.

 

[HurleyBird]

You should edit that... personal comment or a mod definitely will do it for you. There are some things CRTs still do better than LCDs (ok, many things), and some people still use them when they have a specific purpose for it (like professional gaming or design)

 

[happy medium]

Yeah because your CRT monitor runs a chance of damaging other componetns in your system... You are a dumb ass.

Fermi cards run hot and suck power at stock settings. Running them under load can heat up a case big time especially if you SLI them. This happens whether or not you CPU is OCd or stock so loose the strawman arguments. Because the Fermi cards also suck down more energy than CPUs as well.

ATI cards have run better, are cheaper, & have more freedom in the settings.

It was more directed to the guys with the room temperature problems.

You have no business putting any high end card in a mini/mid atx case anyway without proper airflow.

 

[toyota]

It was more directed to the guys with the room temperature problems.

You have no business putting any high end card in a mini/mid atx case anyway without proper airflow.

I dont have "room temperature problems" but I was just saying that I can certainly feel the extra heat while gaming. more power consumption means more heat which mean fans have to work harder and create more noise. I certainly did not expect the difference between a gtx470 and gtx260 to be that great but honestly it was a pain in the ass. I had to turn up the case fans just to help keep the darn card from going over 91-92 C in Crysis. once the gtx470 fan hit 80% or more it just become too annoying and I would lose interest in even gaming any longer. now thats just my personal experience.

 

[happy medium]

I dont have "room temperature problems" but I was just saying that I can certainly feel the extra heat while gaming. more power consumption means more heat which mean fans have to work harder and create more noise. I certainly did not expect the difference between a gtx470 and gtx260 to be that great but honestly it was a pain in the ass. I had to turn up the case fans just to help keep the darn card from going over 91-92 C in Crysis. once the gtx470 fan hit 80% or more it just become too annoying and I would lose interest in even gaming any longer. now thats just my personal experience.

Honestly Toyota,

I like you and all ,so no disrespect ,but what did you think would happen when you put a large,power hungry ,hot card in a Antec 300?
Seriously. :\

 

[yh125d]

Honestly Toyota,

I like you and all ,so no disrespect ,but what did you think would happen when you put a large,power hungry ,hot card in a Antec 300?
Seriously. :\

Antec 300 is one of the best cases for air cooling you can buy, what are you on about?

 

[toyota]

Honestly Toyota,

I like you and all ,so no disrespect ,but what did you think would happen when you put a large,power hungry ,hot card in a Antec 300?
Seriously. :\

you need to rethink that because you are way WRONG. have you not seen reviews of this case? it has fairly good airflow even with only one front fan. hell I have 2 front 120mm fans, a rear 120mm fan and a top 140mm fan. my Arctic cpu fan points up sending that cpu heat straight out the top. if this case cant handle a gtx470 then that is quite sad.

 

[happy medium]

Antec 300 is one of the best SMALL cases for air cooling you can buy, what are you on about?

Fixed, get my point?

 

[Dark Shroud]

You should edit that... personal comment or a mod definitely will do it for you. There are some things CRTs still do better than LCDs (ok, many things), and some people still use them when they have a specific purpose for it (like professional gaming or design)

Point taken, post edited.

For the record I have a 22" CRT that I still use for gaming. 1280 x 1024 @ 85 hertz is my common setting.

 

[yh125d]

Fixed, get my point?

No, size doesn't matter (insert bad joke here). It has plenty of well placed fans, and is one of the best air cooling cases you can buy. It wouldn't cool any better if it was 3" taller, wider, or longer.



We gotta have full tower cases to have low noise now?

 

[happy medium]

Point taken, post edited.

For the record I have a 22" CRT that I still use for gaming. 1280 x 1024 @ 85 hertz is my common setting.

Ever feel the heat comming out the back?
It's just un-godly.

 

[toyota]

Fixed, get my point?

no because going by your comment you would have to think basically everybody would be stupid if they expected a 470 to work in their case. the case has plenty of fans and good airflow and there is nothing really in it except for the basics.

 

[happy medium]

no because going by your comment you would have to think basically everybody would be stupid if they expected a 470 to work in their case. the case has plenty of fans and good airflow and there is nothing really in it except for the basics.

OK,ok ,ok I stand corrected, don't shoot me.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Ever feel the heat comming out the back?
It's just un-godly.

Yes, I never argued with you on that because it is very true. The difference is that my monitor sets on my desk and my tower sits next to my desk away from the monitor.

FERMI cards sit inside the case and will bake your mobo & HD if you do not have enough fans and possibily ducts set up.

 

[Xarick]

Was it pretty loud in your case toyota at 70% fan?

 

[Tsavo]

no because going by your comment you would have to think basically everybody would be stupid if they expected a 470 to work in their case. the case has plenty of fans and good airflow and there is nothing really in it except for the basics.

I have one of those and there's no way in hell I'd put a 470 in it.

 

[happy medium]

No, size doesn't matter (insert bad joke here). It has plenty of well placed fans, and is one of the best air cooling cases you can buy. It wouldn't cool any better if it was 3" taller, wider, or longer.



We gotta have full tower cases to have low noise now?

In general, I would think it's much easier to disapate heat in a larger area to keep OTHER components cooler.

Wouldn't you think?

 

[toyota]

OK,ok ,ok I stand corrected, don't shoot me.

can I just shoot you in the leg?

 

[toyota]

I have one of those and there's no way in hell I'd put a 470 in it.

well thats great and all so if the 300 doesnt have enough airflow to justify putting a gtx470 in just what the heck does. I read reviews of this case before I bought it and was surprised to find out that it has some of the best airflow out there. sure there are some better cases but the vast majority are worse.

 

[happy medium]

Yes, I never argued with you on that because it is very true. The difference is that my monitor sets on my desk and my tower sits next to my desk away from the monitor.

FERMI cards sit inside the case and will bake your mobo & HD if you do not have enough fans and possibily ducts set up.

Really though, when you buy a 300/400$ card, 180$ cpu,with a high end psu, who puts it in a 50$ case and exspects anything to be cool.

Toyota, stop grinding your teeth, I'm not talking about you bud.

 

[busydude]

In general, I would think it's much easier to disapate heat in a larger area to keep OTHER components cooler.

Wouldn't you think?

The case being bigger or smaller doesn't matter much. What matters is the airflow. The greater the airflow, the better the cooling. If you have a bigger case you need more/bigger fans to generate more airflow inside the case.

 

[yh125d]

In general, I would think it's much easier to disapate heat in a larger area to keep OTHER components cooler.

Wouldn't you think?

It's not about dissipating the heat, it's about moving the heat out of the case and getting fresh air back in, which the 300 is very good at



If we were talking about passively cooled video cards, then you'd have a case in saying bigger is better, as its more air for the heatsink to dissipate into but we're talking a well ventilated case with good fan placement